March 2015 - openSUSE KDE - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-kde] Action plans for Plasma 5 as default in openSUSE
by Sam M. 11 Mar '15

11 Mar '15

Can somebody improve on this "installation guide"? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE There needs to be more relevant info on _how_ to install it; does somebody install tumbleweed or do they add the repos here:? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories In the second link, it says don't use GDM. Okay, that's nice, what are people supposed to use and how do they change the value? These instructions need to be well written, simple, informative, and understandable by non-developers. That's the thing about Fedora; there's almost perfect documentation that a lot of thought was put into, and with each version the documentation is updated. With openSUSE, it's the exact opposite. The wiki is practically useless; you have to google information to find anything relevant, and when you do, it pertains to a version 3 years old. If you're lucky to find something pertaining to the current version, it's most likely written in broken English and isn't helpful. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Sam M. <backgroundprocess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Are these instructions for installing Plasma5? > https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE > Because that guide is poorly written with poor punctuation and has scattered > information all over the place; the entire openSUSE wiki is a major weak > spot that needs serious improvements. Why doesn't somebody actually put some > useful information in that wiki that actually delivers on its promise? > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >> >> * šumski <hrvoje.senjan(a)gmail.com> [03-10-15 22:05]: >> > On Wednesday 11 of March 2015 01:36:26 Patrick Shanahan wrote: >> > > * Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org> [03-10-15 19:34]: >> > > > * Luca Beltrame <lbeltrame(a)kde.org> [03-10-15 18:46]: >> > > > > Hello openSUSE KDE users and contributors, >> > > > > >> > > > > This mail outlines our plans for moving towards Plasma 5 as a >> > > > > default >> > > > > desktop for the next openSUSE release, includinga tentative action >> > > > > plan and where help from you all is required. We do not believe on >> > > > > pushing changes on users without some sort of preparation, >> > > > > therefore >> > > > > this document describes the transition plan. >> > > > > >> > > > > See the previous mails for a rationale of this decision. >> > > > > >> > > > > ==== The plan ==== >> > > > > >> > > > > Phase 1: Gather input from the community >> > > > > >> > > > > In this phase, we would like people from the community, if they >> > > > > are >> > > > > able to, to test the currently-available code. It's quite easy, as >> > > > > all >> > > > > the required software is already available directly in Tumbleweed. >> > > > > You should install Plasma 5 from there (bear in mind that its >> > > > > install >> > > > > will not coexist with the 4.x workspace) and simply try using it. >> > > > >> > > > Is it possible to return to the 4.x workspace? >> > > > How can kde4 apps work w/o the 4.x workspace? >> > > > >> > > > The following 8 packages are going to be REMOVED: >> > > > kdebase4-openSUSE 13.2-6.63 >> > > > kdebase4-session 4.12-5.1 >> > > > kdebase4-workspace 4.11.16-1.1 >> > > > kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE 13.2-6.63 >> > > > patterns-openSUSE-kde 20150105-3.1 >> > > > patterns-openSUSE-kde4_basis 20150105-3.1 >> > > > patterns-openSUSE-kde4_imaging 20150105-3.1 >> > > > plasmoid-cwp 1.12.0-16.2 >> > > > >> > > > Interested Tw user. >> > > >> > > zypper -v in --recommends plasma5-workspace >> > > >> > > That screwed it up, no systemtray, no desktop. And <rt><clicking> on >> > > the >> > > wallpaper does nothing. >> > >> > Yeah, you're missing plasma5-session package >> > https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE >> >> tks, I'll try again tomorrow or next, have to go out of town for business. >> >> -- >> (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri >> http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri >> http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 >> Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org >> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Evaluation of the KDE workspace to be used in the next openSUSE version
by Luca Beltrame 09 Mar '15

09 Mar '15

Hello openSUSE KDE users and contributors, as you may know, the venerable and stable Plasma Workspace 4.x is nearing the end of its long-term support (LTS) period, with upstream committed to basically only fixing grave bugs and / or security issues. The openSUSE community KDE team has been following the development of the new desktop by KDE, Plasma 5 (backed by the KDE Frameworks 5 libraries), since its first 5.0 release, up to the point of running it ourselves. Our objective was to evaluate whether keeping the 4.x workspace as default desktop, or move towards adoption of 5.x. This mail outlines the result of our evaluation. ==== Comparisons at a glance ==== Note: we are talking about the workspace ("the desktop") here. Applications are handled separately. 1. Keeping the current Plasma Workspaces 4.x Pros: - Fairly stable technology - Good number of third-party widgets and extensions available (most also packaged) - Upstream committed to fixing grave bugs and security issues (i.e. it's not "abandonware") - Already integrated with openQA Cons: - Long-term support period ends during Summer 2015 - Upstream unable to handle any other bugs than showstoppers or security issues: this means that medium and low priority issues will not get attention except for special circumstances - Current upstream maintainers don't develop on 4.x anymore, meaning a large time frame for bug fixes - As the underlying libs (kdelibs4) are feature-frozen since years, fixing some bugs can be problematic 2. Going for Plasma 5 Pros: - Actively developed upstream (3 month release cycles) - Based on KDE Frameworks 5 (under active development as well) - Incorporates a large number of features and adjustments that fix long- standing issues (e.g., power management, notifications, rendering...) - Some solutions (e.g. "look and feel packages") make customization for openSUSE easier (less patching) - Easier to push openSUSE fixes upstream (they can get reviewed easier) - Development team with solid commitment - Developed with new technologies (Wayland) in mind (note that it is *NOT* possible to run it under Wayland yet, but work is pretty active in this area) - New visual look Cons: - New technology, not as tested - Qt5's QtQuick relies on openGL, exposing otherwise hidden rendering issues - Integration with openQA will likely need a lot of work - Less third-party widgets available (upstream dropped support for all but QML ones) - Some integration features (e.g. events within the calendar) are not available due to lack of ported libraries - Potential for some regressions - New visual look (some will love it, some will hate it) ==== Results of the evaluation ==== While Plasma 5.0 and 5.1 were not near the quality required for a default openSUSE desktop, 5.2 got very near said level, and we believe (running development code on our machines) that 5.3 will pass these requirements. Therefore our recommendation is to move towards Plasma 5 as the default openSUSE desktop, with version 5.3 or later (depending on the openSUSE schedule). Additional mails will be sent in the next days with the details of the transition plan. Luca Beltrame on behalf of the openSUSE community KDE team -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79

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[opensuse-kde] trojika in kde-extra for openSUSE 13.1
by Bruno Friedmann 07 Mar '15

07 Mar '15

Hi, and sorry to use a mamoth dated distribution, but I will have to keep it for at least beginning of 2016. Anyway a good test for future LTS, evergreen .. I'm using the following kde4x repos on top of normal 13.1 repositories/KDE:/Current/openSUSE_13.1/ repositories/KDE:/Extra/KDE_Current_openSUSE_13.1/ repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Extra/KDE_Current_openSUSE_13.1/ I would like to give a try to trojika (allowing me possibly to move to Plasma5/Framework5) and dropping my usage of actual akonadi/pim stack until the rewrite is done. I would prefer to not return to thunderbird :-) on obs trojika is failing due to the bump to 5.2 minimal (only 5.1 is present on my activated repository) Should the build in kde:extra be changed to include 5.2 in somewhat way? Or building with 5.1 could still be a possibility. I'm able to build a branch of it and check on my own repos, if needed. I just need full n00bs instruction on what I really need to have in the bco project to build it. Without digging hell deps during days :-))) Thanks for your comments. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] ffmpeg in KDE:Extra is too old
by Cor Blom 05 Mar '15

05 Mar '15

Hi, Packman has updated ffmpeg to 2.5.4, which means packages in KDE:Extra build against ffmpeg are no longer working with packman's version. It needs an update. I would do the work, but I can't really figure out how to do it. Can someone do an update here? Thanks, Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] kf5 / plasma5 bugs
by johnm 05 Mar '15

05 Mar '15

13.2 64 Hi I'm running kf5/plasma5 from the stable repo. Seeing some little bugs, like windows not remembering where they were positioned on login. Should I report these, and where best to report them? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Is Plasma 5 going to offer a tweak tool for switching from flat
by Roman Bysh 04 Mar '15

04 Mar '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello List Mates, Does anyone know it there will be a tweak tool to transform the flat look in Plasma 5 to what we have in KDE4? Or, something similar? Would QtCurve do it? - -- Cheers! Roman -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJU93JOAAoJEAwC6tvrxPmQAewQAKEglbtbxs8dDRo/dfHj0kMj E9ukNVIunsnWkQG+TooX655dtkZOynksI61m6a08EDThqZHHOk3/ZGjoD1LO8KZp 4btpdUaXVSaZEZNGt5/BsZEicMMfU75w+tLZHXU6gJUGEEGgyByG2x6k9dnB7AF5 3DsNdoOelNOhv4NxAPsDQWTRjsyhxg0wjADDeGSUARKSdAiyJW2GIkZxQ7EsHKzD yCazTkFXWte7waPhex7Y1hog7FOzwSSljdGqUxN5NZZrxJj0PAftSTV+Bgo7jDpt OPoqDj7dtH2dhTSC8FVsoydpwq9OhSJDrPoK6CRD/pjPgkzuNdeI1aP9DR5hsegF tRAtq2LV4OvqATgMyJHa5PmyKDTtfWbyOi/sXxK/j1PgD0AgrqjG+9nGtyjwNGxf BGt9iDil8I47jEku0srITF6t/JIawqAMtXMWYPCkXH4w2DrLBC7PLa65ln2fJQP8 x94ipldZ7LE/IvRT6gPP/Yrus2QYq8id3ZgfOtGq7zyka2t/xuJxrCrKKrwxkaR/ 2NFW/lT4824fa0oyEzvIHY0HCA8K2e3CfB/n+2MNDrm/AE1b2XaDAkwoQxFSOMVA 1/DP5L6VRkHOqPxCONzDx3XK7qup2mYxOj3t9LC74pO+5ezI75ym8Wu7rMjbw3FV EDjeUrYkkbPgug5SJpja =/lkM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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