Can somebody improve on this "installation guide"? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE There needs to be more relevant info on _how_ to install it; does somebody install tumbleweed or do they add the repos here:? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories In the second link, it says don't use GDM. Okay, that's nice, what are people supposed to use and how do they change the value? These instructions need to be well written, simple, informative, and understandable by non-developers. That's the thing about Fedora; there's almost perfect documentation that a lot of thought was put into, and with each version the documentation is updated. With openSUSE, it's the exact opposite. The wiki is practically useless; you have to google information to find anything relevant, and when you do, it pertains to a version 3 years old. If you're lucky to find something pertaining to the current version, it's most likely written in broken English and isn't helpful. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Sam M. wrote:

Are these instructions for installing Plasma5? https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE Because that guide is poorly written with poor punctuation and has scattered information all over the place; the entire openSUSE wiki is a major weak spot that needs serious improvements. Why doesn't somebody actually put some useful information in that wiki that actually delivers on its promise?

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* šumski [03-10-15 22:05]:

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On Wednesday 11 of March 2015 01:36:26 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Patrick Shanahan [03-10-15 19:34]:

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* Luca Beltrame [03-10-15 18:46]:

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Hello openSUSE KDE users and contributors,

This mail outlines our plans for moving towards Plasma 5 as a default desktop for the next openSUSE release, includinga tentative action plan and where help from you all is required. We do not believe on pushing changes on users without some sort of preparation, therefore this document describes the transition plan.

See the previous mails for a rationale of this decision.

==== The plan ====

Phase 1: Gather input from the community

In this phase, we would like people from the community, if they are able to, to test the currently-available code. It's quite easy, as all the required software is already available directly in Tumbleweed. You should install Plasma 5 from there (bear in mind that its install will not coexist with the 4.x workspace) and simply try using it.

Is it possible to return to the 4.x workspace? How can kde4 apps work w/o the 4.x workspace?

The following 8 packages are going to be REMOVED: kdebase4-openSUSE 13.2-6.63 kdebase4-session 4.12-5.1 kdebase4-workspace 4.11.16-1.1 kdebase4-workspace-branding-openSUSE 13.2-6.63 patterns-openSUSE-kde 20150105-3.1 patterns-openSUSE-kde4_basis 20150105-3.1 patterns-openSUSE-kde4_imaging 20150105-3.1 plasmoid-cwp 1.12.0-16.2

Interested Tw user.

zypper -v in --recommends plasma5-workspace

That screwed it up, no systemtray, no desktop. And <rt><clicking> on the wallpaper does nothing.

Yeah, you're missing plasma5-session package https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_Plasma_5#Installing_Plasma_5_on_openSUSE

tks, I'll try again tomorrow or next, have to go out of town for business.

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