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Re: [opensuse-kde] Availability KDE Application releases (specifically for openSUSE 13.2 users)
by stakanov＠freenet.de 22 Apr '15

22 Apr '15

p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 20:48:57, Raymond Wooninck ha scritto:> As indicated some time ago, the initial decision was not to release the KDE > Application releases as of version 15.04 for any openSUSE target except > Tumbleweed. KDE Applications 15.04 would made available for Tumbleweed users > together with the switch of the default KDE desktop to Plasma 5. And this was a GOOD idea. > The team discussed the topic again and I can now announce that we will start > building the Frameworks based applications also for openSUSE 13.2. > > What does this mean concretely ? This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a stabel conservative desktop will call and say: you see it does not start anymore. And ...nobody will be there to help them. > > Newer packages that will be build against KDE Frameworks, will not have a > different package name. e.g. Kate will remain Kate. If the KDE4 based > version of a package will need to remain, then this package will have a 4 > as suffix. In most cases if both packages are provided, then they will > conflict with eachother. e.g. installing kate4 will automatically remove > kate and vice versa. > > The updates will be provided through two repositories > > 1) Official KDE Application releases will be made available through a > seperate repository KDE:Applications, which is build for openSUSE 13.2 and > openSUSE Factory/Tumbleweed. It is not necessary for Tumbleweed users to > activate this repository as updates will come with regular Tumbleweed > snapshots. And this is a GOOD idea. > 2) Other KDE/Qt based packages (not part of KDE Applications) will be made > available through the existing KDE:Extra repository. And this is IMO a masochistic idea. If it ain't broken don't fix it. People rely on these very common repos for productive machines. They do security updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a separate repo. > > The environment where Frameworks based applications are running inside a > KDE4 desktop is untested. Also upstream is only testing how KDE4 based > applications are behaving inside a Plasma 5 desktop. Although we are not > expecting issues, one can never be sure. > > If it becomes clear that this is causing an unstable desktop for openSUSE > 13.2 users, then we would revert the changes for openSUSE 13.2 and remain > there with pure KDE4 applications. But then it will be too late for the many that just use the machine. I really do not understand why you choose this. This is against all past politics for the stable versions. So my opinion is: think about it. Please don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, go ahead. But stable must be stable. Thank you. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] KDE repository for SLED 12?
by Frank Steiner 22 Apr '15

22 Apr '15

Hi, while learning that SLED 12 doesn't contain KDE anymore, I stumbled about Markus mail: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2014-11/msg00274.html (I know this is a opensuse mailing list but I don't know where else to ask :-)) So I took a look at the available repositories at https://de.opensuse.org/KDE_Repositorys and realized that there is also a SLE_12 branch at http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Current/ However, the web page mentions that plasma is not part of these current releases as it is under LTS since 4.11 (whatever that means). So I wonder if this is the right repo for installing KDE including the plasma desktop for SLED 12? Or is there any other repo? The SLE_12 branch below Distro:/Factory seems to be quite outdated. Are there any plans for maintaining a KDE branch for 4 and/or 5 for SLE 12 where one would at least get important security updates for some years? cu, Frank -- Dipl.-Inform. Frank Steiner Web: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/ Lehrstuhl f. Bioinformatik Mail: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/m/ LMU, Amalienstr. 17 Phone: +49 89 2180-4049 80333 Muenchen, Germany Fax: +49 89 2180-99-4049 * Rekursion kann man erst verstehen, wenn man Rekursion verstanden hat. * -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] planetkde and chrome/chromium
by ianseeks 21 Apr '15

21 Apr '15

hi Anyone having issues getting to planetkde using these browsers? works okay in the old 12.16 opera and current firefox regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-kde] Availability KDE Application releases (specifically for openSUSE 13.2 users)
by stakanov＠freenet.de 20 Apr '15

20 Apr '15

In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 23:20:30, stakanov(a)freenet.de ha scritto: > This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, > all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a Please re-read the mail again. Where's the mention of the desktop? We're talking about KDE Applications releases here. KDE is not the desktop, but the community around it. Therefore, libraries, workspaces and applications are on separate repositories / release schedules. This only concerns the applications, so I can't quite understand how the desktop can "mess up" given it's not even affected. > updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, > really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a > separate repo. Why KDE 4.0? Again, we're talking about applications, not desktop. > don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking > they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to Then the best solution is not to offer *any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out". I will propose that to the rest of the team. Even less maintenance burden for us, so that's a plus. > try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, > go ahead. How is that untested? They're stable releases from upstream. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79 Fine del messaggio firmat Dear Luka. First of all, thank you for your reply. I am sorry if my post should have come across as "uncivil". This was of course far from my intention. So, @Cor, if you read this, sorry if you did understand it like this. The issue is not about my own view, I can setup a system from the scratch or repair if there is need. But about all the userbase out there that is not "easily" going and needs at least a reliable system to work. These users are the real ambassadors of Linux as a whole and I am sometimes a bit frustrated to be told: I followed all indication for conservative behaviour but after the update the system is broken. Generally in these cases the culprit up to now is third party software and not opensuse. If someone of them tells me that he/she/it mingled with things he was not qualified, of course that does not apply. The problem is the first case. One of the reasons for the reactions is, I dare to belief, a somewhat not clear understanding of what was proposed here. Thing is: I myself think of setting up a second testing machine for Tumbleweed with the new libraries and evtl. the application base in order to report bugs and have a smooth change in the future. I cannot tell you by the way how happy I am with the current 13.2 release because practically, a part of some very minor bugs, all "just works". Which makes it the ideal distribution to step into the experience of Linux and makes it in my view also a good evergreen candidate (but this is only my quite uninformed opinion and may be there are reasons for the Evergreen team not to share this view at all). When you asked: "how is this untested", this referred to the sentence of the original email that was probably meant differently but did leave me a bit...worried, to say the least. As there was: Raymond wrote: "The environment where Frameworks based applications are running inside a KDE4 desktop is untested. Also upstream is only testing how KDE4 based applications are behaving inside a Plasma 5 desktop. Although we are not expecting issues, one can never be sure. If it becomes clear that this is causing an unstable desktop for openSUSE 13.2 users, then we would revert the changes for openSUSE 13.2 and remain there with pure KDE4 applications." That was probably to say that these applications run stable if build against the new framework, and nobody really knows what this gives if ported to 13.2 and KDE4. So to begin with: what entity we are speaking about? How many applications would be part of this. My fear is here also that, what will cause you pain and effort and steal a lot of resources and manpower, will turn against you if anything could possibly go wrong. I do understand (by reading everything several times) what you want to do, and it is a noble thought. But I still do not think it is good idea. I do think instead that Tumbleweed needs more publicity for being used by a greater userbase (as this of course will help you to repos where "too much" for them. Whether I do agree on this or not, what I do is: I understand and totally accept people who need a conservative KDE desktop for everyday work. And ...congratulations, IMO 13.2 IS such a product. (Now isn't this beautiful news). At least this is my idea about how to handle the "generational change" this time. With my most positive thoughts and greetings to everybody working on this, with often so little resources and so much enthusiasm. And it was really not my intention to offend anybody. Hope at least now this is clearer. Thank you. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] kudo & thanks - a day with plasma5
by Bruno Friedmann 17 Apr '15

17 Apr '15

Hi guys, today I've fogot my lappy at the office. So I "stole" a laptop at customer site, pick the plasma5 live iso and start it on usb3 key. Working the whole day with without any crashes ... come on on unstable software ... is this a joke ? :-) big kudos to our great maintainers and kde team. Guys you rock hard. Just a small thing, if you setup oxygen-mono font as default for konsole, it would be better to have it on the iso :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] KDE:Applications and 13.2
by Cor Blom 16 Apr '15

16 Apr '15

Hi, Are there plans to build KDE:Applications also for 13.2? And if not, why not? Thanks, Cor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Plasma5 Folder View Setting Not Saved
by Sam M. 13 Apr '15

13 Apr '15

Hey, Folder view settings aren't saved when logging out of KDE on Plasma5. It switches back to "Desktop Layout" everytime. Any info on this/bug report? This is a new thing and didn't happen before, but I am testing plasma5 again so I'm guessing it's a new bug. Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Action plans for Plasma 5 as default in openSUSE
by Luca Beltrame 10 Apr '15

10 Apr '15

Hello openSUSE KDE users and contributors, This mail outlines our plans for moving towards Plasma 5 as a default desktop for the next openSUSE release, includinga tentative action plan and where help from you all is required. We do not believe on pushing changes on users without some sort of preparation, therefore this document describes the transition plan. See the previous mails for a rationale of this decision. ==== The plan ==== Phase 1: Gather input from the community In this phase, we would like people from the community, if they are able to, to test the currently-available code. It's quite easy, as all the required software is already available directly in Tumbleweed. You should install Plasma 5 from there (bear in mind that its install will not coexist with the 4.x workspace) and simply try using it. We are most interested with feedback, in particular: - Testing packaging - Testing upgrades of packages - Helping with building openQA tests - Checking for missing functionality Feedback will tracked through the following connect.opensuse.org polls: - Overall experience [1] : What does fowrk for you? What doesn't? - Missing functionality [2]: What are you missing from the 4.x workspace that you deem irrepleaceable? - Upgrade experience [3]: Was the upgrade from the 4.x packages smooth? Did anything break? - Visual and hardware-related issues [4]: Is Plasma 5 running well with your hardware? Bugs in the software should be reported upstream, but any issue in the packaging should be reported to openSUSE's Bugzilla. Phase 2: OpenQA testing We will discuss with the rest of the openSUSE community on how to handle Plasma 5 on openQA. This is where we need your help the most, because openQA needles are an important part of the openSUSE testing and we need many to ensure a smooth experience (and transition from 4.x), and we need a lot of them to ensure there are no hiccups down the road. Refer to http://os-autoinst.github.io/openQA/ to see how you can contribute. This phase will go as long as we can get comparable results as the 4.x workspace on openQA. === What about applications ? === As with regards to application releases from KDE (KDE Applications xx.yyy), our plan is to use directly what KDE releases, meaning that we will switch to KF5-based applications once upstream makes stable releases of them. If there are no KF5-based releases of a particular application, the currently available 4.x version will be used. === New repository layout === As part of the migration plan, when Plasma 5 becomes the default desktop in openSUSE the following changes will take place: - KDE:Frameworks5 (already the devel project for Plasma 5 and the KF5 libraries) will take the place of KDE:Distro:Factory (slowly phased out) - Application releases will be hosted in a separate development project, KDE:Applications KDE:Current, offering 4.x based releases, will be kept for users of past openSUSE versions. === Contingency plan === In case the issues reported during the testing period are too severe, we will revert back to the 4.x workspace and await further improvements from upstream. === How can I help ? === First and foremost: testing! We've been running the KF5 based desktop for a while but the team is small, we need more eyes looking for potential issues. Secondly: openQA tests are an essential foundation of an always-stable Tumbleweed, therefore this is another eare where help is warranted. A third area is documentation: wiki pages, guides, anything that can help in the transition. The team can help providing the required information. Above all: always be constructive when reporting issues. Saying "It sucks, get back to 4.x" is not only not going to help, but it is severely demotivating and that can be a problem with a task of this size. We're all humans, don't forget that. ;) === Poll links === [1] https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/luca_b/47114/what-is-your-experi… [2] https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/luca_b/47132/what-functionality-… [3] https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/luca_b/47168/how-was-your-upgrad… [4] https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/luca_b/47184/how-is-your-plasma-… Luca Beltrame on behalf of the openSUSE community KDE Team -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79

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[opensuse-kde] plasma5 any dialog results in segfault
by Stanislav Baiduzhyi 10 Apr '15

10 Apr '15

Surprisingly, no one screams about it so far, but that is close to showstoper issue, so maybe it's something wrong on my system... So: 1. start kwrite 2. write something 3. click close window button You'll see that the dialog will start to appear to ask if I would like to save or discard the changes, but at that moment kwrite will crash with segfault. Same story with any other application that wants to show dialogs, like system settings when you want to install new fonts and it asks if you want it to be user-specific or system-wide. It appears to be quite serious issue, potential loss of any unsaved data if you forgot to save in time. Any ideas how to solve the issue, or how to diagnose and report it properly at least? -- Regards, Stas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Problem with KMail setting up an account to an IMAP server
by Freek de Kruijf 10 Apr '15

10 Apr '15

I have a name and corresponding IP address in /etc/hosts like: 192.168.1.15 test When entering this name, test, in the text field for the name of the IMAP server, and pressing Autodetect in the tab Advanced, I get an error that the server can not be found. It is also not possible to enter an IP address in that field. I can make a connection using "ssh user@test" or do "ping test" Any suggestions? -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner(a)opensuse.org

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