August 2008 - openSUSE KDE - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-kde] KDE4 usability issues
by Alexey Eremenko 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Hi All ! (esp. Dirk & others) - whom I spoke to yesterday about KDE3/KDE4. Now, I'm running latest openSUSE 11.0 (64-bit) and latest KDE 4.1. What problems are still left in KDE4.x compared to KDE3.x ? 1. Using the taskbar - area near start button (kicker in KDE3 terms), there are icons to quick-start applications. I cannot add anything here, not by dragging from Start Menu (like Windows XP), and cannot right-click to add new application from start menu (like KDE3). This is very serious usability trouble. Only options available: (right-clicking on Konqueror 4 icon near start menu) "add widgets" "add panel" must also have: "add application" - either by manually typing command, or by selecting from Start Menu. 1.a. Speaking of applets/widgets: "quicklaunch" for KDE4 needs to be integrated as another widget into KDE, instead of being third-party add-on. 2. Task-bar: It has single level. In KDE3 or Windows XP I can have multi-level "thick" taskbar, not so in KDE4. In KDE4 taskbar can be "thick", but it will still be one-level. This is not configurable via "Panel Settings". 3. "Show Desktop" / "Minimize all windows": (aka "show dashboard" in KDE4 terms) - again - in KDE3 and Windows XP the "show desktop" can be used to minimize all windows, while I still see and can use the taskbar for windows reorganization, while in KDE4 clicking on show desktop I can only see desktop and start new application from desktop, but I cannot access taskbar and/or start menu. I use this very frequently, when I want to start new task on my desktop, without fully ending previous task. 4. (subjective-opinion) Theming - Windows decorations - both "Ozone" and "Oxygen" are ugly compared to KDE3/SUSE windows decorations. BTW: Very good windows decorations were in the far past - SUSE Linux 9.1 (KDE3). Maybe we can replicate those, as on option (or default) into KDE4/SUSE 11.1 ? 5. Screensavers are lacking (besides "Black screen") 6. All tray icons have no transparent background. I mean - even native tray icons from KDE3 and KDE4. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] Sensors no longer display in ksysguard after update from SUSE 10.1 to 11.0
by Paul C. Leopardi 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hi all, I just upgraded from SUSE 10.1 to openSUSE 11.0. I've noticed that sensors is now at version 3.0.2-4.1, using lm_sensors 3.0.2. How do I display information from this new version of sensors, using ksysguard, or otherwise? The following message suggests that a patch has been added to KDE 3.5.9 http://lists-archives.org/kde-devel/15569-ksysguard-to-support-lmsensor-3-x… I'm currently using ksysguard 1.2.0 with KDE 3.5.10 and cannot see the sensors. Maybe the patch is broken? The problem apparently still occurs in Gentoo: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211308 and Arch: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8776 This lm-sensors web page http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Download has a pacth to ksysgiard 3.5.8. I don't know if it works or if it has been incorporated into KDE 3.5.10. I upgraded from 10.1 to 11.0 by using the update method rather than by installing openSUSE on a freash partition. Should this have made any difference? I don't want to reinstall just to check if this problem is fixed. Is there any way I can check ksysguard and sensors using a live-CD? Best, Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] missing kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1
by Daniele 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

Hi all, since two days this is the output of zypper dup: 6 Problems: Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by kde4- plasmoid-quickaccess-0.7.1-1.24.i586 Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by kde4- plasmoid-system_status-0.5-1.27.i586 Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by kde4- plasmoid-weather-0.4-1.41.i586 Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by plasmoid- lancelot-1.0.svn853114-5.6.i586 Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by kde4- plasmoid-commandwatch-0.1-1.40.i586 Problem: nothing provides kdebase4-runtime >= 4.1.1 needed by kde4- plasmoid-previewer-0.1-1.41.i586 Opensuse-11 with the follow repos: kde4-Desktop: KDE4:/Factory:/Desktop/openSUSE_11.0/ kde4-ExtraApps: KDE4:/Factory:/Extra-Apps/openSUSE_11.0/ kde4_community: KDE4:/Community/openSUSE_11.0_KDE4_Factory_Desktop/ Any hints? Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] FYI "The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1" Thread
by Stephan Binner 30 Aug '08

30 Aug '08

Hello, FYI, there is now a "The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1" thread starting on the opensuse-factory mailing list how to deal with KDE 3.5.10 in openSUSE 11.1 Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-kde] yast
by Constantinos Maltezos 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

On Thursday 28 August 2008 12:48:04 am Jiri Srain wrote: > Dne Thursday 28 of August 2008 05:31:26 Rajko M. napsal(a): > > On Wednesday 27 August 2008 06:59:18 pm Constantinos Maltezos wrote: > > > > > Again, has anyone noticed any better handling of situations like this > > > in any newer version of yast? > > > > > > I'm just curious. I'm still using 10.3 and don't know if it'd be worth > > > it to install 11.0 with 11.1 coming out, but then, I don't know if it's > > > worth waiting for 11.1. > > > > Many people upgrade to opensuse 11.0 just to get new package management > > and there is many positive references on the web about that. > > The software management performance has been improved very significantly, > if it bothers you, upgrading to 11.0 (or 11.1 Alpha/Beta snapshots) is a > solution for you. Why didn't I see this written about extensively? Bah, it was probably there and I missed it. Thank you both. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] KDE3 Session Manager crash
by Marc Chamberlin 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

I thought I would start with a posting here to see what feedback I might get. I searched KDE bugs but did not find this particular issue and if the consensus here in this news group is that I should report this as a bug I will... I am running SuSE 10.3 and have been working for quite a while now trying to track down a problem that starts to occurs near the end of boot up and then occurring intermittently thereafter. The problem I am experiencing is freezes where the GUI becomes unresponsive for several minutes at a time, or it becomes extremely sluggish. This freeze always occurs near the end of booting up and each of the final steps will take several minutes to report that it as completed. As X becomes active and the KDE desktop comes up this process will take upwards of 15 minutes to complete. After a while the KDE desktop will become intermittently quite responsive for a bit, then will become quite unresponsive again for a bit... I have tried removing all services except those required by X11 without success, and am now going through log files to see what complaints are showing up there and trying to clean them up. I have looked at TOP and VMSTAT to see if I have a process taking up all the CPU time or am having swapping troubles. Again so far without success. I then decided to take a look at KDE itself to see what I might try and there I learned about a bunch of services that KDE is running and so I tried to stop them. This had no effect on this problem either. Next I found there is something called a Session Manager and when I tried to open it, it crashes! So I now suspect I should get that working to see if this may be the cause of my GUI unresponsiveness. The KDE Crash reporter gave me a walkback which I have included below. Any one got any ideas on what this means? Thanks in advance for any help offered and please remember I am NOT a Linux guru by any means... So if you have a suggestion for me to try, please don't use any advance terms or expect me to have a lot of detailed knowledge about Linux and its toolset... Marc Chamberlin Attached is the stack walkback from the crash when I tried to open the Session Manger found in Personal Settings -> KDE Components -> Session Manager Something that caught my eye in this walkback is that there are references to the ATI fglrx driver. I am using the ATI Radeon x1600 video card with the fglrx driver, could something be amiss with this driver? [?1034h(no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library "/lib64/libthread_db.so.1". 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[opensuse-kde] yast
by Constantinos Maltezos 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

I've been updating a lot of packages with yast. I have no new problems, but I'm looking for some information about upcoming solutions to old, continuing ones. After launching any part of yast that has anything to do with package management, I have to wait around five minutes before I can do something (which is sometimes to change one small thing). I once saw it suggested that yast be changed to use rdiff or something to only collect the changes in the repository rather than downloading the entire list. Has anyone using 11.1 alpha or Factory noticed any change? Also, I set over a hundred packages to update from one repository and while I was doing it, they must have updated the packages, because now those hundred- plus packages are no longer found on that server. Okay, it happens. But over one hundred times, I had to press the space bar to get rid of one error box, then hit alt+S to skip the package. Each time. Again, has anyone noticed any better handling of situations like this in any newer version of yast? I'm just curious. I'm still using 10.3 and don't know if it'd be worth it to install 11.0 with 11.1 coming out, but then, I don't know if it's worth waiting for 11.1. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] need a crispy linucs for da missus, don't want to install windoze in her laptop
by kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

I have about 2 weeks before my bill gates white trooper / son comes back home. Before he comes back I want to have a killer suse laptop for the wife, da missus and I just decided that she does not need a desktop, a laptop with a choice between land line and wifi would be perfectly acceptable! the problem is that the laptop is an aged hp job, the model is an hp pavilion, ze1000 series, with an 80gb hard drive, 512mb ram and an amd xp-1500+ cpu. presently, the laptop is a dual boot setup, 32 bit suse 10.3 is the default, windoze xp is the other choice in the grub menu. all that will be wiped out for the *one* os to be freshly installed. Currently, the standard 10.3 suse feels *a lot more sluggish* on the laptop than the xp and no, it is not beagle, the dreaded dog was never allowed in the system at install! so, i am asking for help in installing a fast suse system. should I go to 11.0? should i try something like knoppyx? if i still do suse, what can i keep out of the installation in order to gain speed? should i abandon kde and try somethinglike xfce? expected useage would be email, web browsing, book writing(oo), vlc / mplayer / dvd playing multimedia, perhaps some pdf file creation. any ideas will be welcome! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] What's the best bugzilla for KDE4.1 in openSUSE
by Michal Vyskocil 21 Aug '08

21 Aug '08

Hi, I'm using the KDE from KDE:KDE4:Factory:{Desktop,Extra-Apps}. I'm not sure, what's the best bugzilla for that build of KDE? The bugs.kde.org, or Novell's bugzilla? I'm asking because there's some patches and fixes in openSUSE, which may not be in upstream version ... Best regards Michal Vyskocil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-kde] KDE4 - Call for test of bug 414912
by Rajko M. 18 Aug '08

18 Aug '08

Please test problem reported in: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=414912 and give comment. -- Regards, Rajko http://en.opensuse.org/Portal needs helpful hands. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help(a)opensuse.org

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