August 2020 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Please close my membership
by James Mason 28 Nov '20

28 Nov '20

Hello, It is with despair that I ask that you cancel my membership in openSUSE. The constant bickering on the mailing lists is by far outweighing any constructive growth/change in the project, and in light of everything else going on in the world, I just don't have the headspace for all that negative, unproductive noise. I'm cc'ing the project overall; please let this serve as a lesson that if one thinks they can bicker their way to the end result they want, they may find they arrive there alone. James Mason Technical Architect, Public Cloud SUSE

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[opensuse-project] OpenSUSE Afterhours
by Jason Evans 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

Hi all, There are a few open-source projects that have regular live streams/meetings about what's going on the project, interviews, etc. For example, there are Kubernetes office hours and Rancher office hours on YouTube. I would like to know if anyone would like to produce a regular official OpenSUSE After Hours stream where people involved in different projects at OpenSUSE can talk about what they are working on, what it's like being a member, etc. I'm thinking specifically about projects like Kubic, Uyuni, and OpenQA. Ideally this stream would be 100% geeky geeko fun and no politics (internal or otherwise). Just throwing this out there. Best Regards, Jason Evans -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Ad-hoc Board Election result is here
by Ish Sookun 02 Sep '20

02 Sep '20

Dear openSUSE members, The openSUSE Ad-hoc Board election [1] is now closed. Stasiek Michalski has been elected to join the openSUSE Board. Election result: Stasiek Michalski 160 Pierre Böckmann 70 234 out of 510 eligible members have cast their vote in this election. We recorded 4 blank votes. We thank both of them for stepping up and running in this election and we congratulate Stasiek for his win. Regards, Ish Sookun // on behalf of the Election Committee [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse vs opensuse-support mailing list
by ITwrx 28 Aug '20

28 Aug '20

hi, I'm wondering what the difference is between these two lists, or why they both exist/which to use. opensuse English Generic questions and User to User support for all the openSUSE distributions opensuse-support English openSUSE support thanks, ITwrx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Improving visibility between maintainers and end-users?
by Adrien Glauser 28 Aug '20

28 Aug '20

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hello, This is my first post to this mailing list so I hope I won't interrupt or disrupt an ongoing conversation. I noticed there is no systematic monitoring of the "maintenance health" of openSUSE packages, i.e.. no way for a potentially interested future maintainer to check whether this or that package is in need of extra help, or whether everything is fine. This means that it's difficult for someone willing to volunteer to appreciate the "health" of packages as far as maintenance is concerned. Of course users can see commits timelines and failed builds, but they have to try and *infer* how wanted their help is when instead they could simply *read* this information. Also as far as I know there is no systematic monitoring of the number of users for a given package in home repositories. This means that maintainers might not always be aware that their package need to be registered against official repositories. Now a simple web service (implemented as new feature to software-o-o, for instance, but not necessarily) could bring closer end-users and maintainers, improving the visibility of packages that need more maintainers and providing direct feedback to maintainers so as to motivate them to port their packages onto the main openSUSE distributions. Do other people find that such a service would be useful? If people find the idea worth realizing, who should I get in touch with to make it happen? Best, Adrien -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEU4ol/0bSQTwqpAkNMy9Aieh+wJwFAl9GkWAACgkQMy9Aieh+ wJyLUggAkiyzuDsdY2T0QpqjwNuV1hO9R78kN+M57l4sPDxvDwzz34s4uQgnMjJt ZGU+OJWKpmvhgB5rvSXDOrsVkx6XoyW6iPlRBgBeb5qdU0nncmhlRTSiYEQgh1ix dGCkh8lpvn1WQzS3vbrALCjpYLwPNLgRZY7Eavg+3I7HRffFS0M3y5nNL7dHhg+Q 25vcrZqh7jZeNf0aO7TcElSbF1hbfqUSJ39JJvsLXZITQsjRA2LMswviKsn7gRE/ G8bmEi/7Ky5N8Fn1SsLSnVeUE3IaHoWqasR56e/707xZ4/AaVLFrzzyHky+vFr/k 86i7yM4Byh8v5afQoWVLkBVH6f7/ZQ== =MCXP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Election campaign page
by Ish Sookun 27 Aug '20

27 Aug '20

Dear all, Stasiek has set up his campaign page at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ad_hoc_Board_election_2020_platform_hellcp. If you have questions for him as a running candidate, feel free to ask. Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Working on Foundation & Governance
by Vinzenz Vietzke 25 Aug '20

25 Aug '20

Hi all, as you can see in the minutes [1] for the last board meeting on 2020-08-04 we once again talked about the long standing topic of an openSUSE foundation. This came up in the light of the past months and the recent thread on this mailing list where governance structures were discussed. [2] Quoting the minutes "We need to broaden the group of people working on foundation" this is where we want to give the topic a push here on project ML. To give everyone an overview of what is done until now I condensed documents floating around in the wiki at "Current state". [3] *The why* The openSUSE community has the reputation of being progressive and thriving in terms of technical aspects. This is where the "do-ocracy" works impressively. Yet our organizational structure sometimes lacks behind, which is why we need to talk. There are good reasons for an independent openSUSE legal entity that have been already been discussed extensively before. Yet this comes with governance structures being not only necessary but also obligate. Having had structural challenging times recently and an obvious need from the community for progressive discussions makes the picture complete somehow. So throwing both topics together is just a logical consequence there. *To do* So I hereby invite everyone interested to chime in. Please get to know what's already been done on the first hand. And then give input, constructive criticism and ideas on both parts of the story - Foundation and Governance. *A few thoughts on the practical side* To add comments on the existing stuff it might be good to copy text to some etherpad for collaborative work. If desired we also can set up a conference call or even revive the pre-existing mailing list. [4] [5] Looking forward to healthy and interesting discussions! vinz. [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-08/msg00064.html [2] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-07/msg00085.html ff. [3] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation [4] https://etherpad.opensuse.org [5] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-foundation/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Leap 15.2 Install party @ GOLEM: (quick!) report
by Dario Faggioli 22 Aug '20

22 Aug '20

Hello, This mail just to say that we did an openSUSE Leap 15.2 Launch Party, here at the local LUG (it's called GOLEM, it's in a small town in central Italy), and I feel like making a quick report. See these posts for some info: - https://twitter.com/DarioFaggioli/status/1285544719121035265 - https://twitter.com/DarioFaggioli/status/1286014538899496960 - https://twitter.com/DarioFaggioli/status/1287084502913888261 The second one has some pictures, although pretty bad ones. Sorry. :-/ We have space outside, so we could do an actual physical event and still respect the social distancing restrictions which are continue to hold here in Italy. First of all, this meant that I could bring and distribute the super- awesome swags that Doug sent me. And I really want to thank him a lot one more time for shipping them over extremely quickly. They are great and people loved them! Ah, the event was also recorded, but they still have to let me know whether that worked well or not. I decided to do a live install as I think our installer is great, and wanted to show it off a bit. :-) In fact, I've heard a few times people saying that installing openSUSE is difficult, and I wanted to give it a shot to busting that myth. I showed how it is possible to install the distro with just a few clicks, which is the opposite of difficult. After that, I went back and explained all the various possible customizations that one can make -- but only if she wants to-- at each stage. Feedback on this was extremely good, and I think I'm going to reuse this same approach for other similar occasions. While the installer was copying packages, there was the time to talk a bit about the characteristics of Leap such as its goals, release cycle, development process, relationship with SLE, etc. I quickly mentioned the maintenance process, taking advantage of some slides kindly provided by Marina (thanks to you again as well!), and this also was perceived as very interesting. After the system was ready, I had the time to showcase YaST a little, to explain how to add Packman repos for the codecs and to introduce BTRFS snapshots, snapper and demo a reboot into a previous snapshot and the rollback. I managed to hint quickly at OBS, but there was only the time to mention OpenQA, and I couldn't give them a meaningful tour of these two. People where curious and interested, so I call the event a success. They asked questions mainly about YaST, BTRFS and zypper. Plus two more, rather specific ones: 1) why don't we ship/install multimedia codec by default (even the proprietary and patent encumbered ones), like Ubuntu and even Debian? 2) why don't we use an LTSS kernel for Leap? Just to be clear, I'm not actually asking the questions here. :-) I just felt it would be useful to report this, especially considering that I hear these being asked pretty often, during various events or in various channels or forums. Anyways, I honestly think the event was a good one, considering that we're a small LUG from a small place and that we're still elbow deep inside a pandemic. :-/ And we're already planning a similar event about Tumbleweed! Not a release party, probably... or maybe yes: I just have to make it coincide with the publishing of a TW snapshot, which should not be too difficult after all. :-P Best Regards -- Dario Faggioli, Ph.D http://about.me/dario.faggioli Virtualization Software Engineer SUSE Labs, SUSE https://www.suse.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- <<This happens because _I_ choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)

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Re: [opensuse-project] Working on Foundation & Governance
by Vinzenz Vietzke 21 Aug '20

21 Aug '20

Hi, Am Donnerstag, 20. August 2020, 18:11:40 CEST schrieb David Mulder: > Not sure who else this effected, but Vinz your last message was caught in > the SUSE spam filter. I had to release it. Maybe it was blocked for others > also? Thanks for pointing out! I'll see if I can tweak stuff on my mail client or the server. > (and yes, I think many folks have been on vacation) Mhm, I'll get back to the topic in a few weeks maybe. Thanks! vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Getting Started with Linux Magazines openSUSE Leap 15.2
by ddemaio 20 Aug '20

20 Aug '20

Hi all, We have received more bundles of Getting Started with Linux Magazines (picture - https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1295604607863971840?s=20). If you are interested in having me ship you a bundle (30 issues in each), please let me know. They can be uses for events, university students, classes, etc. Let me know. Have a lot of fun! v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Board meeting 2020-08-18
by Gerald Pfeifer 20 Aug '20

20 Aug '20

Present: Axel, Gerald, Marina, Vinz Excused: Simon == References to non-public SUSE tools == * Recently Jira and Confluence, for example. * Gerald points out some of those went from being "unknown unknowns" to "known unknowns", so while there's work to do, things are moving towards more transparancy. * AI Gerald to relay to "Close the Leap Gap" meeting on Fridays * status quo is understood, but what's the roadmap? * what workarounds can be put in place? * On a related note Marina is now attending the openSUSE release engineering meetings somewhat regularly. == Foundation == * Vinz prepared a Wiki portal based on original presentation by Axel and input by others. * Mail has gone out on August 7th. * https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-08/msg00070.html * Not a lot of reactions, aka mostly silence * Hopefully more due to vacation period than lack of interest? * AI Vinz to follow up on project@ == SUSE Keynote at openSUSE conference == * Doug and Marina discussed, the two of them and Gerald brainstorming and checking out options. == meet2.opensuse.org == * We tried it this meeing, and it worked like a charm. * Big thanks to Marco and the Azubis! Next call: same slot in two weeks = September 1st, 8:00 CEST -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] meet2.opensuse.org testing phase
by lethliel 18 Aug '20

18 Aug '20

Hi, Today I am able to introduce you: https://meet2.opensuse.org which is a bare metal machine with 24 CPUs and 128 GB RAM. It is installed based on the packages provided by the trainees. Our trainees from SUSE are working hard on packaging jitsi for the (open)SUSE distributions and providing a new jitsi instance to the openSUSE community. They made an awesome progress! meet2 will be in testing phase starting Monday until 24.08.2020. If there are no problems we will switch the active service to the new instance (meet2 -> meet). Keep in mind that meet2 is also based on voluntary work. So please use meet2.opensuse.org for your community meetings and report problems to admin(a)opensuse.org The only known issue is the bandwidth which is currently limited to 1 GBit. But this will be solved when the server gets a new 10 Gbit NIC. I would like to thank Dominik Gedon, Enno Gotthold, Leon Schröder, Martin Rey and Quang Tran for their work and dedication with this project. Happy testing and a good and healthy time to all of you. Cheers, Lethliel (Marco) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Hacktoberfest 2020
by Natnael Getahun 18 Aug '20

18 Aug '20

Hi community, Hacktoberfest is coming up. If you're not familiar with it, it is an event that encourages people to make their first contributions to open source projects. It's for developers, designers who make artwork and people can contribute in the form of documentation as well. Community members can are encouraged to help new contributors by guiding them through their first contribution, creating educational content, doing a meetups, etc. I would like to help coordinate the efforts for openSUSE’s presence during Hacktoberfest and need some help from the community members. Is anyone willing to help guide/plan or bring in new members to the various openSUSE-related projects? We can do a meeting or focus on marketing or something? Here is some info about it https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com. Best Regards, Natnael Getahun Full-stack developer -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Mail server migration August 10
by Per Jessen 18 Aug '20

18 Aug '20

Dear all, next Monday August 10, we plan to migrate email services for "opensuse.org" away from the current SUSE mailservers (mx[12].suse.de] and on to our two new mail servers "mx1.opensuse.org" and "mx2.opensuse.org", which I finished setting up beginning of July. Primary services affected are: - mailing lists - member aliases forwarding Apart from a minimal interruption at the time of switch-over, neither service should really see much effect of the migration, but you never know. The new setup includes spam- and virus filtering, selective greylisting, inbound and outbound TLS support, and an SRS daemon. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to write to me or to the Heroes list. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Election Campaign Page
by Pierre Böckmann 18 Aug '20

18 Aug '20

Dear All, with a bit of delay I set up a campaign page now at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ad_hoc_Board_election_2020_platform_crowby… If you have questions, feel free to reach out and ask! Kind regards Pierre Böckmann -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Ballot is open
by Ish Sookun 17 Aug '20

17 Aug '20

Dear community members, The ballot for the openSUSE Ad-hoc Board Election is open. Your voting credential has been sent to the email address which you registered as your member email alias target. If you did not receive it please contact us on election-officials(a)opensuse.org. This election is being carried to fill one vacant seat on the openSUSE Board. There are two candidates in the election and members are invited to cast their vote for the candidate of their choice. Blank votes are also allowed. Details about the election are published here https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Regards, Ish Sookun // On behalf of the Election Officials. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Ad-hoc openSUSE Board Election 2020 - Election (voting) phase
by Ariez Vachha - openSUSE 17 Aug '20

17 Aug '20

Dear community members, Today marks the start of the election (voting) phase of our **Ad-hoc openSUSE Board Election 2020.** as announced here earlier today by Ish Sookun. You should all have received your voting email by now if you have not and are a qualified member then please contact the election officials by emailing election-officials(a)opensuse.org The elections officials have seen traffic on some of the other chat groups, of members still asking why they have received an election email, as they were unaware are of it occurring. Full details can be found at: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election You can vote up until 30th August 2020. The final results will be announced and the final results will be announced on 31st August 2020. -- Best Regards, Ariez Vachha ajv(a)opensuse.org On behalf of the Election Officials. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Too many open bugs (Leap 15.2 retro)
by Lubos Kocman 14 Aug '20

14 Aug '20

Hello openSUSE! one of the items raised on the retrospective* was a large number of open bugs, not just for openSUSE Leap 15.2 but for openSUSE Distribution in general. Tracked as https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/70000 . I already had a discussion with Oliver and Antonis on this topic on the Quality Assurance event that took place last Friday in Schweig. I'd like to share with you the idea of a regular "Bug smashing" meetings. (I'd call those "Bug triaging", those meeting will not get bug fixed but just allow to triage them properly, if I understand correctly) These https://meet.opensuse.org meetings would focus on outstanding bugs and respective "problematic components" (e.g. Other or Base system). We'd focus on one Bugzilla component at a time and would go through the results of pre-agreed queries. It could be multiple short (20 mins) sessions per week E.g. "Base system" Bug smashing etc. I don't mind low attendance but having an option to join and raise particular issue is very important to me. Keep in mind that the openSUSE Release Team is supposed to do this "overseeing" anyway. But I think we can be a bit more transparent about it. The idea is that I'd share screen go through the list of bugs, find an agreement on the next steps, and then the person sharing the screen (typically Release Team member) would write an update to the bug. This would then be followed by sending a notification to the bug owner or finding a new bug owner in case of no response. The public and virtual nature of sessions would enable people to join and raise attention to the bug that might be not getting enough attention. The goal should be on processing bugs in a way that we're able to achieve a decent response time and not cause a potential decrease in quality or close bugs that might potentially lead to a data loss. We're not doing this for the sake of better-looking statistics, but to have a more stable distribution. The pre-requisite for this is an agreed policy about how to tackle bugs properly. So we're helping instead of causing harm. The policy should provide answers to the following questions: What is expected to be tracked in Bugzilla and where to track other requests. E.g. the Documentation component is a bit controversial as it contains various types of requests. Criteria for keeping bugs open or closing them. (aka cleanup that helps). E.g. the definition of CLOSED/Insufficient data, do not close issues that lead to data loss. Agreement about setting the priority on issues, who is expected to do so, and what it means to the bug owner be it SUSE Employee or not. There are two ways how to see priority. How much of an issue is it for Given release (e.g. release can't be shipped with open P1 or P0) and how big of a priority is it to the bug owner. We need to find an agreement. Agreement about ownership of bugs. How does the screening team fit in and so on ... Agreement how to track 'seen' bugs P5 vs Confirmed etc. Agreement on who handles regular processing of bugs for what product(s) and what releases/versions. The last one is important as there seems to be a big difference in overseeing issues for the current release and releases in the maintenance phase. Who should oversee maintenance updates is still an open topic at least for SLE. I'd like to find an agreement with the openSUSE Maintenance team and join forces to be more efficient at pre- agreed bug processing. **Let's use https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-bug-smashing-ideas-20200… for a brainstorm and revisit document on next the next Release Engineering meeting* on the Wednesday 19th Aug**. More info and meeting details are in the brainstorm document. [0] https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:15.2/Retrospective Best regards openSUSE Release team

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Re: [opensuse-project] Election Campaign Page
by Richard Brown 13 Aug '20

13 Aug '20

On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 18:31 +0200, Pierre Böckmann wrote: > On Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:09:01 CEST you wrote: > > Hi Pierre, Thanks for your responses, I have some followup > > questions. > > > > On Tue, 2020-08-11 at 15:47 +0200, Pierre Böckmann wrote: > > > > I'm dissapointed to find that your platform seems to be > > > > entirely > > > > based > > > > on effectively re-hashing the failed no-confidence vote. My > > > > views > > > > on > > > > that matter are not only well documented, but the vote failed, > > > > so > > > > it > > > > seems a peculiar decision to run primarily on the same topic. > > > > > > I am disappointed, too, that you pick a single point and pretend > > > this > > > would be > > > all I base my campaign on - though that is absolutely untrue. > > > > Skipping over responding to this train of thought in the name of > > compromise, collaboration, and wishing to avoid being baited into > > conflict. > > First accusing me of primarily running on the topic of a failed vote, > now > accusing me of trying to bait you into conflict... > Nothing of that's true or going to happen, I was only answering your > mail > without any bad intention and without any ulterior motives. Reading > those into > my response is not OK but at the same time it's ultimately telling > more about > your motives than mine. > Let's leave it at that. I find it very interesting you took my observations as 'accusations'. After all, I feel my observations are easily justifiable. In your platform, the "Why you shoud vote for me.." section ONLY states the No-Confidence Vote. There is no mention of the Foundation in that section at all. The "Current Issues" section dedicates a large paragraph to the No- Confidence Vote. That paragraph calls the work of your potential teammates 'unncessary' and 'disgraceful'. In the same section you only provide a single sentance to the foundation. There are no details as how you'd support the topic or what you'd expect the foundation to look like. And of your goals 3 of them are clearly related to your no-confidence motion, 1 is related to the foundation, and 1 is somewhat more generic. Considering the above, I think it's very easy for any reasnoble reader to feel that your primary motivation for running is to re-hash the no- confidence vote and there is a significant lack of substance beyond that. If the perception I got from that is incorrect, fine, then my first reply was a clear opportunity to clear up that misperception on my part. I find it exceptionally telling that, once realising that we had a difference in opinion regarding the content of your platform, that the discussion has evolved the way it has. I would have hoped a Board member would have taken the opportunity to look inward, and ask themselves how a voting Member like myself got such an impression. You have instead taken the route you have, even going so far to use rhetorical deflections to suggest that my words are more telling about my motives than yours. I think it's important for you to realise, my motives don't matter. I'm not the one running for the Board, I'm just a voter like several hundred others who's support you will need. You are the one running for the Board, and I suspect this thread has done a good job of showing what sort of Board member you could be. I'd like to thank you for all the responses in this thread. I have found it very insightful and helpful in deciding where my vote will go. Regards, -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Election campaign page
by Ish Sookun 11 Aug '20

11 Aug '20

Dear all, Pierre has set up his election campaign page at https://en.opensuse.org/ openSUSE:Ad_hoc_Board_election_2020_platform_crowbyte. Feel free to read and ask him questions. Let's keep the election debates on! Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Migrating mailing lists
by Stasiek Michalski 07 Aug '20

07 Aug '20

Hi, We are currently planning out the migration from mlmmj to mailman 3. We have been discussing moving lists over from opensuse-$list(a)opensuse.org to $list(a)lists.opensuse.org (and potentially allowing subprojects to use their own domains), for both collision and aesthetic reasons. We would like to hear your input. Thanks in advance, LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Call Meeting Minutes 2020-08-04 - 0800 CEST
by Axel Braun 07 Aug '20

07 Aug '20

Meeting Minutes 2020-08-04 - 0800 CEST Attendees: Gerald, Vinz, Marina, Axel Absent: Simon Minutes taken: Axel ** Draft of foundation presentation ** Postponed as not every board member had the chance to look into the presentation. We need to broaden the group of people working on foundation. Idea: Restart the process on https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Foundation New topic 'Foundation Restart 2020', cleaning up of portal and move old stuff to Portal:Archive (Vinz) Announce on project mailing list. Dependent on traffic, os-foundation(a)o.o may be reopened ** Pending Meeting Minutes ** Reminder on two missing meeting minutes ** Board Talk on openSUSE Conference ** Currently we have 114 registered attendees, 84 talks submitted and ~44 hours of presentations for oSLo Board will submit a 1h workshop for discussion with the community (Marina). Add your topics you want to discuss here: https://en.opensuse.org/ openSUSE_talk:Board_meetings#Topics_for_the_online_meeting_at_the_openSUSE. 2BLibreOffice_.28oSLO.29_conference Board will try a face2face meeting after election. Problem is that Simon cant leave Australia for at least next 6-12 month ** 2FactorAuthentification authentification ** 2FA on github repos for admins should be mandatory as requested by github organisation. AI Simon to send reminder to people not yet using 2FA Next board call: 18.08.2020 0800 CEST -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Sharing results of the openSUSE Leap 15.2 release retrospective survey and suggested action items
by Lubos Kocman 07 Aug '20

07 Aug '20

Hello team, first let me thank you to all who participated in the survey, but also to all who helped me to process the results and suggest action items. Big thanks to Lars and Heroes for comming up with the idea to use LimeSurvey and making this happen. It was countless hours of data processing but it was worth it. Data with suggested set of action items from our review rounds: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:15.2/Retrospective Raw data can be found here: (Please email me if your login can't access the data) https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap152retro/documents Next steps: I'll slowly start to process action items and create either: * Thank you emails (KUDOS) * bugs in bugzilla.opensuse.org * Feature requests in jira.suse.com * Issues in https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap152retro * Issues in https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-process for changing the release process instructions I'll also re-raise feedback and action items with responsible teams Thank you very much once again Lubos

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[opensuse-project] openQA for s390x
by azouhr 05 Aug '20

05 Aug '20

Hi, currently, there is no openQA for s390x. I have heard that this is due to some storage issues, but that is only second hand rumours, no direct communication. For me this is kind of unfortunate, because I do care about openSUSE:Factory:zSystems, and without openQA, there is no release nor any reasonable information about the state of the distribution. During my time at SUSE, I did the Mainframe part to get openQA running, later on, when openQA had some network requirements changed, I even sponsored a Server to make that running again. However, even though I addressed this multiple times, I am not able to get information about the state, not to say get it rebuilt. Is there anyone who knows what I can do to bring this issue forward? To me, this is kind of frustrating at the moment and I think this needs broader attention. So, if you know what I could do, please tell me ... Berthold azouhr(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Leap 15.2 retro review of results on Thursday
by Lubos Kocman 04 Aug '20

04 Aug '20

Hello openSUSE! Thanks to everyone who participated in our openSUSE Leap 15.2 release retrospective that took place on survey.opensuse.org. Also big thanks to Lars for making it happen! The survey was fully anonymous and questions were: What went well and What didn't go too well. We did receive about 200 responses*, 623 records in total, but a lot of them were blank, perhaps expired sessions. There is a lot of feedback for both questions some of them are really heartwarming. Which is also why I'd like to go through results with you. I'll do initial categorization and deduplication of results today/tomorrow and will place it on a single etherpad page which will be easier to consume. I'd like to do two rounds of reviews where we'd go together over results and turn them into action items (progress-o-o issues*, bugs, Thank you emails to maintainers, ...). We'll revisit what went well on both meetings, otherwise, we would simply continue in the afternoon review where we ended in the morning as I expect there will be a lot of action items on the "what didn't go too well" side. Please expect no blame talk or fingerpointing (unless it's on me :) ) but rather a constructive discussion about how to make the next release even better. The virtual review meetings will take place here: https://meet.opensuse.org/ReleaseEngineeringMeeting in following time slots: 8:00 - 10:00 CEST Thursday 6th August 2020 17:00 - 19:00 CEST Thursday 6th August 2020 [0] Raw export, preferably wait for my post-processing https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap152retro/documents?sort_by=title [1] Project for retro issues https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/leap152retro/issues Thank you Best regards Luboš Kocman Release Manager openSUSE Leap SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Director: Felix Imendörffer

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE and LibreOffice Conference
by Marina Latini 04 Aug '20

04 Aug '20

Dear Community, as Douglas already reminded[0], the extended deadline for submitting your proposal for the openSUSE+LibreOffice (oSLO) conference will expire today. If you want to share your achievements, your project or simply share something with both the openSUSE and LibreOffice communities hurry up and don't forget to send your proposal! The cross-communities organization team will meet again for the usual bi-weekly call today, at 19.00 CEST. Join us on: https://meet.jit.si/oSLibCon [0] https://news.opensuse.org/2020/07/22/opensuse-libreoffice-virtual-conferenc… Happy hacking and have a lot of fun! Marina -- Marina Latini openSUSE Board: deneb_alpha www.documentfoundation.org www.libreitalia.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reflection on the last weeks - Lessons learned from the board
by Simon Lees 03 Aug '20

03 Aug '20

Dear Community, many of you have witnessed discussions and allegations of different kinds on this mailing list, some very offensive and disrespectful towards the community and the values that bond it together. In order to not add further discussions, to not nurture the chaos already present, and aiming to have a fair and unbiased vote on the "motion of no confidence", as a board we agreed to not comment on individual emails during the period of the poll. Now we feel that we need to disclose some background and provide clarification over how this all started. Sarah Julia Kriesch, former member of this board, has repeatedly moved heavy accusations against some members of this community during her first term on the board 2017-2019. In each case these accusations were unfounded after in-depth considerations. The measure taken after the first incident was a formal warning in alignment with the openSUSE Community Guiding Principles. [1] The second time lead to a vote on her removal from the board, where she maintained her seat after a narrow vote. Unfortunately Sarah's behavior has continued and the board received complaints, despite repeated efforts by several members of the community to carefully explain and council Sarah on her behavior and its implications on others. To handle the situation with minimal impact on the parties involved a moderate solution was sought: Sarah was offered the opportunity to step down instead of being removed and the complete background being disclosed. Even though "mutual confidentiality" was agreed between all parties, Sarah decided to violate this agreement that same evening and also started making false accusations about her stepping down. All this, together with some base speculation, then led to the motion of no confidence and what followed. We would like to assure you that with every action the board has undertaken, the well-being of all involved parties has been a main priority. As a community, and on the board, we spent a huge amount of time on this topic in the last half year and we have learned some lessons. Two of these are to 1) defer handling a complaint against a community member to the following board meeting (not on the same day), and 2) in case of extremely severe decisions taken, even if undelightful for the person affected, provide transparency to the community about the actions taken, keeping confidentiality as much as possible but not at all cost. [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles

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[opensuse-project] Ad-hoc openSUSE Board Election 2020 - Nominations
by Ariez Vachha - openSUSE 03 Aug '20

03 Aug '20

Dear community members, It's the 3rd of August, the call for nominations and applications has ended. We are now at phase 1 of our Ad-hoc Board Election. We have received applications from the the following two candidates: * Stasiek Michalski <hellcp(a)opensuse.org> * Pierre Böckmann <pb(a)crowbyte.org> We thank them for stepping up and wish them the best for the election campaign. The campaign will last for two weeks and members can vote from 17th thorough to 30th August 2020. The final results will be announced on 31st August 2020. Full details can be found at: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election In the coming days, we will share more information about our candidates. Should you have any questions for our candidates, please feel free to ping them. openSUSE Election Officials -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Pierre's nomination...
by Ish Sookun 03 Aug '20

03 Aug '20

Noted and well received. We will make the announcement of election candidates shortly. Cheers, Ish Sookun On 03/08/2020 10:50, Pierre Böckmann wrote: > Hi everyone. > > First of all I want to say thank you to those of you who have nominated me. > > Secondly I stand by my own word and accept the nomination. > > A good and successful start into the new week for everyone. > > Kind regards > Pierre Böckmann > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ish Sookun <ish(a)lsl.digital> > Date: 8/2/20 17:14 (GMT+01:00) > To: Pierre Böckmann <pb(a)crowbyte.org> > Cc: openSUSE Project <opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org>, openSUSE Election > Officials <election-officials(a)opensuse.org> > Subject: Pierre's nomination... > > Hi Pierre, > > Gerald has nominated [1] you for the Ad-hoc Board Election. Do you > accept this nomination? > > I am asking this on behalf of the Election Committee. > > Regards, > > Ish Sookun > > [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-08/msg00005.html > <https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-08/msg00005.html> > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Pierre's nomination...
by Ish Sookun 02 Aug '20

02 Aug '20

Hi Pierre, Gerald has nominated [1] you for the Ad-hoc Board Election. Do you accept this nomination? I am asking this on behalf of the Election Committee. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2020-08/msg00005.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for a No-Confidence Vote - Re-Election of the openSUSE board
by Pierre Böckmann 02 Aug '20

02 Aug '20

Dear openSUSE community members, this is a call for a no-confidence vote against the current openSUSE board. We should initiate a poll, asking the community whether it wishes a full re- election of the openSUSE board. Reasoning: In advance of the last board member elections Sarah’s application as a candidate raised concerns regarding the expressed opinion and wording. Those concerns were a matter of discussion on the mailing list with a lot of partly harsh words on both sides. Throughout the weeks before the election and throughout the election weeks Sarah’s application and its wording and expressed opinion had at no point been ruled as violation of Guidelines or the Code of Conduct. There has even never been any discussion about it. If there would have been any evidence or indication of a violation those points should have been a topic and should have lead to ruling Sarah out of candidacy. But for good reasons that has never happened. Despite those mentioned public criticism the *community members decided to legitimately elect Sarah* as a new board member. Later, like Marina states in her mail to the community in behalf of the board, 2/3rds of the board members decided in the weeks after the election to force Sarah to resign from the board due to claimed breaches of the guiding principles and the Code of Conduct of which there has never been any evidence or indication and has never been considered and discussed throughout the weeks before the election and the election weeks itself. Even worse, like Christian stated in an answer to the mentioned board statement, at least parts of the board itself breached the guiding principles and Code of Conduct in a very heavy way which even lead to Christian's decision to step down, too. As a result the community has been very upset about the incidents which are subject to this mail. Criticism and distrust in the board had already been around since Sarah and shortly after Christian resigned from the board but even intensified after the board decided to try shutting down speculations and discussions around the reasons for both to step down with their statement published by Marina. As a member of the openSUSE community those last few weeks and its incidents which became finally public are raising serious concerns about whether the openSUSE board is really still making decisions in the full interest of the complete community or rather is putting its own interests above those of the community and respecting the community's elections and the community's rules itself. Therefore we, as the electing community, should initiate a poll and see whether the needed 20% of the community members are in favor of making a clean new start by re-electing the complete openSUSE board instead. Kind regards Pierre Böckmann P.S. Though a few details have become known, we don't know all of the in-depth details. Therefore I want to assure that this mail is not intended to be disrespectful towards the board and/or its members as well as each individuals work in favor of the openSUSE project and the openSUSE community. Nonetheless we can not and should not ignore what has happened in the last few weeks and the unacceptable nature and disrespect towards the community elections outcome, rules and principles. Additionally I am well aware that not everyone will be happy or be agreeable to my proposal of a full re-election of the openSUSE board. Be assured, I took the time and thoroughly thought out this step and that I think that this proposal is in the best interest of openSUSE as a project and a community. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Upcoming election to backfill a board seat
by Gerald Pfeifer 01 Aug '20

01 Aug '20

Dear openSUSE members, just off today's meeting a brief note that the openSUSE board has unanimously agreed to backfill the open board seat with an election for that vacancy. The next steps will be initiated by our trusted openSUSE election officials. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out! Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ssl cert on status.opensuse.org expired
by Mathias Homann 01 Aug '20

01 Aug '20

The certificate on status.opensuse.org expired last night... maybe a new cert for *.opensuse.org + opensuse.org from letsencrypt would be an idea? renewal can be automated... Cheers MH -- Mathias Homann Mathias.Homann(a)openSUSE.org Jabber (XMPP): lemmy(a)tuxonline.tech IRC: [Lemmy] on freenode and ircnet (bouncer active) telegram: https://telegram.me/lemmy98 keybase: https://keybase.io/lemmy gpg key fingerprint: 8029 2240 F4DD 7776 E7D2 C042 6B8E 029E 13F2 C102

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