hi,
I'm wondering what the difference is between these two lists, or why
they both exist/which to use.
opensuse English Generic questions and User to User support for
all the openSUSE distributions
opensuse-support English openSUSE support
thanks,
ITwrx
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Dear openSUSE community members,
this is a call for a no-confidence vote against the current openSUSE board.
We should initiate a poll, asking the community whether it wishes a full re-
election of the openSUSE board.
Reasoning:
In advance of the last board member elections Sarah’s application as a
candidate raised concerns regarding the expressed opinion and wording. Those
concerns were a matter of discussion on the mailing list with a lot of partly
harsh words on both sides.
Throughout the weeks before the election and throughout the election weeks
Sarah’s application and its wording and expressed opinion had at no point been
ruled as violation of Guidelines or the Code of Conduct. There has even never
been any discussion about it. If there would have been any evidence or
indication of a violation those points should have been a topic and should
have lead to ruling Sarah out of candidacy. But for good reasons that has
never happened.
Despite those mentioned public criticism the *community members decided to
legitimately elect Sarah* as a new board member.
Later, like Marina states in her mail to the community in behalf of the board,
2/3rds of the board members decided in the weeks after the election to force
Sarah to resign from the board due to claimed breaches of the guiding
principles and the Code of Conduct of which there has never been any evidence
or indication and has never been considered and discussed throughout the weeks
before the election and the election weeks itself.
Even worse, like Christian stated in an answer to the mentioned board
statement, at least parts of the board itself breached the guiding principles
and Code of Conduct in a very heavy way which even lead to Christian's
decision to step down, too.
As a result the community has been very upset about the incidents which are
subject to this mail. Criticism and distrust in the board had already been
around since Sarah and shortly after Christian resigned from the board but
even intensified after the board decided to try shutting down speculations and
discussions around the reasons for both to step down with their statement
published by Marina.
As a member of the openSUSE community those last few weeks and its incidents
which became finally public are raising serious concerns about whether the
openSUSE board is really still making decisions in the full interest of the
complete community or rather is putting its own interests above those of the
community and respecting the community's elections and the community's rules
itself.
Therefore we, as the electing community, should initiate a poll and see
whether the needed 20% of the community members are in favor of making a clean
new start by re-electing the complete openSUSE board instead.
Kind regards
Pierre Böckmann
P.S.
Though a few details have become known, we don't know all of the in-depth
details.
Therefore I want to assure that this mail is not intended to be disrespectful
towards the board and/or its members as well as each individuals work in favor
of the openSUSE project and the openSUSE community.
Nonetheless we can not and should not ignore what has happened in the last few
weeks and the unacceptable nature and disrespect towards the community
elections outcome, rules and principles.
Additionally I am well aware that not everyone will be happy or be agreeable
to my proposal of a full re-election of the openSUSE board. Be assured, I took
the time and thoroughly thought out this step and that I think that this
proposal is in the best interest of openSUSE as a project and a community.
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Dear openSUSE members,
just off today's meeting a brief note that the openSUSE board
has unanimously agreed to backfill the open board seat with an
election for that vacancy.
The next steps will be initiated by our trusted openSUSE election
officials.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out!
Gerald
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On the board meeting two hours ago we discussed adding an
"abstain" option to future votes. We unanimously agreed.
That is, future votings shall include "abstain" as a choice.
Thank you to all who provided feedback!
Gerald
PS: We understand board elections allow a flexible number of
choices, including choosing no candidate, so we do not see
this as applicable there.
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I can't recall seeing anywhere else Leap being classified as "rolling".
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=opensuse
BTW, not so long ago, openSUSE was hot on the heels of Fedora in the bottom half
of the top 10. A whole bunch of other distros seem to be getting their word out a
lot better than is openSUSE no having dropped to #18 behind Neon and Solus among
other relative youngsters.
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Hi,
here are the minutes of the 2020-03-17 board meeting.
If you prefer a more formatted way, you can also read them here:
https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2020-03-17
--->8---
== Participants (in alphabetical order) ==
Axel
Gerald
Marina
Simon
Vinz
Guests:
Doug
Stasiek
Gerald opened the session and welcomed all board members and guests.
== Events ==
Currently there's only to watch the whole COVID-19 situation until July and
then decide about openSUSE.Asia Summit and oSLO20.
Doug keeps the board in the loop.
== No-Confidence vote on the current board ==
As the elections officials have not responded yet the board assumes they are
still working on the topic.
* AI Gerald: Reach out to election officials to get an update.
Call closed at 2020-03-17 2350CET
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Cheers,
vinz.
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I am happy to announce that Gerry Makaro (also known as
Fraser_Bell around here) is re-joining the Election Committee
again after a "sabbatical" since November.
This came as a request from and recommendation of the Election
Committee which we are happy to follow.
Thanks for your contributions, Gerry!
Gerald (hat: chair)
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Present: All
* Firstly apologies for the delayed minutes the board has been busier
then usual and have also had alot of other things going on.
* Welcome Vinz
* Lets put more emphasis on getting minutes out consistently (Yes we
still need to work on this).
* The board agreed to a minor change of
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_rules to make the
language more inclusive.
* Board member being unable to perform his duties -> Board member
being unable to perform their duties
* Change made by Simon
* Board briefly discussed Documentation status as another community
member is interested in being involved.
* Replacing vacant position. Will hold an election for the vacant
position now in the election officials hands.
AI: Gerald to send email to the list.
* Foundation Update
AI: All board review Simon's proposal.
* Test Jitsi next meeting.
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Hi fellow chameleons and penguins,
I do NOT support a whole re-election of the openSUSE board. These
event as they did can happen and should not happen very often. Until
then we should use the elected pop ups (like Vinvz who has been close
in votes).
There is work to do and these politics just block and suspend a lot of
efforts. This is not the main intend of openSUSE!
Cheers,
Bernd
Am Fr., 13. März 2020 um 11:10 Uhr schrieb Pierre Böckmann <pb(a)crowbyte.org>:
>
> Dear openSUSE community members,
>
> this is a call for a no-confidence vote against the current openSUSE board.
>
> We should initiate a poll, asking the community whether it wishes a full re-
> election of the openSUSE board.
>
> Reasoning:
>
> In advance of the last board member elections Sarah’s application as a
> candidate raised concerns regarding the expressed opinion and wording. Those
> concerns were a matter of discussion on the mailing list with a lot of partly
> harsh words on both sides.
>
> Throughout the weeks before the election and throughout the election weeks
> Sarah’s application and its wording and expressed opinion had at no point been
> ruled as violation of Guidelines or the Code of Conduct. There has even never
> been any discussion about it. If there would have been any evidence or
> indication of a violation those points should have been a topic and should
> have lead to ruling Sarah out of candidacy. But for good reasons that has
> never happened.
>
> Despite those mentioned public criticism the *community members decided to
> legitimately elect Sarah* as a new board member.
>
> Later, like Marina states in her mail to the community in behalf of the board,
> 2/3rds of the board members decided in the weeks after the election to force
> Sarah to resign from the board due to claimed breaches of the guiding
> principles and the Code of Conduct of which there has never been any evidence
> or indication and has never been considered and discussed throughout the weeks
> before the election and the election weeks itself.
>
> Even worse, like Christian stated in an answer to the mentioned board
> statement, at least parts of the board itself breached the guiding principles
> and Code of Conduct in a very heavy way which even lead to Christian's
> decision to step down, too.
>
> As a result the community has been very upset about the incidents which are
> subject to this mail. Criticism and distrust in the board had already been
> around since Sarah and shortly after Christian resigned from the board but
> even intensified after the board decided to try shutting down speculations and
> discussions around the reasons for both to step down with their statement
> published by Marina.
>
> As a member of the openSUSE community those last few weeks and its incidents
> which became finally public are raising serious concerns about whether the
> openSUSE board is really still making decisions in the full interest of the
> complete community or rather is putting its own interests above those of the
> community and respecting the community's elections and the community's rules
> itself.
>
> Therefore we, as the electing community, should initiate a poll and see
> whether the needed 20% of the community members are in favor of making a clean
> new start by re-electing the complete openSUSE board instead.
>
> Kind regards
> Pierre Böckmann
>
> P.S.
> Though a few details have become known, we don't know all of the in-depth
> details.
> Therefore I want to assure that this mail is not intended to be disrespectful
> towards the board and/or its members as well as each individuals work in favor
> of the openSUSE project and the openSUSE community.
> Nonetheless we can not and should not ignore what has happened in the last few
> weeks and the unacceptable nature and disrespect towards the community
> elections outcome, rules and principles.
> Additionally I am well aware that not everyone will be happy or be agreeable
> to my proposal of a full re-election of the openSUSE board. Be assured, I took
> the time and thoroughly thought out this step and that I think that this
> proposal is in the best interest of openSUSE as a project and a community.
>
>
>
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Dear openSUSE community,
in the last weeks, some things happened in the board that are completely
against my principles and beliefs. I don't want to go into details, and
will get straight to the heart:
I'm resigning from the board.
I know this is a drastic step, and I can assure you that I didn't take
this decision easily.
In the best interest of the openSUSE project and everybody involved,
please don't speculate about the details or ask for them.
Of course, I won't let the community suffer from what happened, and will
continue everything else I do in and for openSUSE (for example my heroes
tasks and my work on AppArmor).
Even more important: I have many friends in the community, and this is
something that will never change! I'm looking forward to meet you again.
There is one thing I'll open up for discussion: One of my heroes tasks
is to maintain the elections.opensuse.org server. I don't have any evil
plans ;-) but I could fully understand if someone thinks that I better
should keep my fingers off it and hand it over to another hero.
If someone thinks so, please speak up (doesn't need to be public, you
can even ask a board member to relay it to me anonymously). I guarantee
that I won't be mad at whoever asks for this. However, the hero who has
to take over maintenance of elections.o.o might be ;-)
Regards,
Christian Boltz
PS: All the best, Vinz! Supporting your appointment was my last
official act on the board.
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