January 2021 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Web Development Sprints To Start Next Week
by ddemaio 05 Feb '21

05 Feb '21

Hi all, We will be doing web development sprints for openSUSE webpages starting next week. The sprints will be every first Thursday of the month at 18:30 UTC and will take place online at https://meet.opensuse.org/websprints <https://meet.opensuse.org/websprints>. We are collecting topics and ideas on https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/websprints <https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/websprints>, so even if you can't make it, you can help to improve the navigation and content of the project’s websites. The full article is at https://news.opensuse.org/2021/01/28/web-development-sprints-to-start-next-… Also, our next meetup to discuss the end of year results is this Saturday, which will start at 13:00 UTC on https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020 <https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020>. v/r Doug

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TW review on Linux Unplugged
by Axel Braun 04 Feb '21

04 Feb '21

Hi, 2 days ago, Linux Unplugged published a podcast where they reviewed Tumbleweed: https://linuxunplugged.com/387 (Review starts at 38:40) The review was not as positive as I expected and it contains some general remarks, so it makes sense to discuss it on project, and not on factory. We may not agree with the remarks and findings, but we should at least listen to them and ask ourself, how we can improve. I try to summarize the various points for improvement (with my own words) Website and download ==================== It was noted that the download of images does not work under Chrome, so they had to switch to Firefox The section for live-images was considered 'confusing' as the hints lead to the impression that not the full TW experience is possible (should not be used for installation or upgrade of TW) - or that it may not work at all (limited amount of drivers, may not run on all hardware). -> What is the limiting factor to include more drivers in the images? -> How can the live media be enhanced for full installation capabilities? (enable online repos and pull packages from there?) Installation process ==================== While the first power-on experience as well as the new partitioning tool was perceived very positive, the installation process itself had several kinks: - The reviewer is working on a Dell system with 4k screen resolution. The installer is not properly scaling and shows all icons very tiny (complete EULA fits on the screen). At the same time, there are some issues with the touchpad (around minute 46:00), it is hardly possible to click a button. -> Do we have a problem with 4k screens? - setup of WIFI during installation 'is really old school' as one has to jump between different tabs to set it up. And, finally, the WIFI setting is not taken over to the installed system, so one has to enter it again (and he hit a known Plasma-bug by this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389052 ) -> can the WIFI setup be done on a single page? -> can the wifi settings be transferred to the installed system? - there was some confusion around the activation of online repositories during installation from DVD. It is unclear where it is used or necessary for. -> a clarification that enabling the online repositories gives a wider variety of desktops and additional software should be included -> this hits for some parts the recent discussion if we can include repos like packman right at installation time -> If I remember correctly, a TW DVD with online repos enabled installs only if no new snapshot was released. Enabling the online repos on a DVD install pulls most packages from the repository instead of the DVD. This is clearly not a smart move, and I would consider this as bug. The reviewer had actually the same complaint. Installation of software ======================== - After installation the reviewer obviously ran into severe performance problems (where it was not clear to me if this was coming from Intel Graphics or from free Nvidia driver). So he tried to install proprietary NVidia driver and had the issue that his graphics card was mentioned nowhere and he was unsure which driver to install ('this is managed on Fedora/Ubuntu with a checkbox, Arch installs one additional package'). In the istallation process, 'YaST hangs at 64% for ages' and he was uncertain whether to kill the process. -> can we improve the detection of hardware to recommend the right proprietary driver? I cant comment on how other distros do it, but it looks like this was easier. - the installation of additional proprietary software (slack) obviously via snap was not as easy as expected. I have a personal opinion on snap and flatpack, but these formats are more to come, as a cheap alternatve if no native packages are available. -> is there a point where we can/need to improve the snap/flatpack support? In general the YaST Softwaremanagement was seen as quite old style ('like we did it 7/8 years ago). Summary ======= As stated in the introduction, we do not need to agree with all findings, but we should listen to them. Some of the points, esp. during installation, come up same or similar in Leap. With 15.3 ahead, we should look into this and check if we can improve this. I would recommend to anybody to listen to the review, and see if we can improve. The just-released community survey seems to have some of the same points (I did not read it in detail so far), like finding documentation (not only for Nvidia cards) Cheers Axel

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Board Meeting Minutes 2021-01-18
by Knurpht-openSUSE 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Dear all, Please find below the minutes of the board's online video meeting on Jan 18 2021 Hi all, =========================================== Board Meeting 2020-01-18 Present: Gerald Axel Simon Vinz Neal Gertjan Agenda and minutes * Documenting complaint handling best practices Gerald would like to have this documented preferably before new complaints arise and offers to put something up for others to review * Tracking trademark usage approvals Nothing we can do or have to do right now. * Handling board tasks with progress-o-o or alternative (V) Board discusses this. Neal proposes a pagure setup. Board also discussed some options they would need Neal will create up a 'review setup'. * End of year survey Axel: Meeting is on Jan 23 and 30, 1300 UTC. Neal notices that it was not only nice to get the info collected, but that the survey was also mentioned in various linux online magazines. Board will try to join the meeting as far they can * Wiki - self perception Axel speaks) to improve some phrasing on our Main wiki page. Board briefly discusses this, Gerald likes us to discuss and share input on this with the Marketing team. Board ends up discussing marketing. * Treasurer Board disccused the Treasurer -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board openSUSE Forums Team

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Meetup Will Discuss Survey Results, Project Improvements
by ddemaio 31 Jan '21

31 Jan '21

Hi all, The openSUSE <https://www.opensuse.org/> Project welcomes our followers to participate in two planned meetups to discuss results from the End of the Year Community Survey <https://en.opensuse.org/End-of-year-surveys/2020/Data> on Jan. 23 and Jan. 30. Both sessions will start at 13:00 UTC on openSUSE’s Jitsi instance and go for 1:30 hours. Members of the “let’s improve the openSUSE learning experience” <https://news.opensuse.org/2020/10/12/join-our-team-and-help-us-imporove-the…> initiative will share results <https://en.opensuse.org/End-of-year-surveys/2020/Data> and analysis from the survey. The meetup is designed to discuss ways the community can improve upon areas identified in the results as either a weakness or needing improvement. Topics that will be discussed in the Jan. 23 session include: * Address pain points * Knowledge transfer * Promotion (How are they learning about projects) Topics to be discussed in the Jan. 30 session include: * Tools driving switchers to openSUSE (Where are users coming from) * Discuss flagship project/s * Expanding global users * Increasing diversity * Increase usage with people under 34 The meetup will take place at https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020 <https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020>. More details about the End of the Year Community Survey <https://news.opensuse.org/2020/12/19/introducing-the-opensuse-2020-end-of-y…> results can be found on the openSUSE Wiki <https://en.opensuse.org/End-of-year-surveys/2020/Data>. https://news.opensuse.org/2021/01/18/meetup-will-discuss-survey-results-pro… v/r Doug

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oS structure and visibility
by Adrien Glauser 29 Jan '21

29 Jan '21

Hi there, Taking cues from https://www.debian.org/intro/organization#officers and https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/orgchart/ I'd like to bring some visibility to the openSUSE Project as far as Who Does What?. Can you suggest some resource that would resemble a list of roles + list of people or a chart / mind map so that I can get started with something concrete already? Thanks in advance, Adrien

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openSUSE Sprint Sessions
by ddemaio 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

Hi all, We had a great time this past Saturday discussing the End of Year Survey results. I published a little article about it at https://news.opensuse.org/2021/01/25/session-one-meetup-generates-enhanceme… There were a few points identified in the discussions that would help to improve the project's appeal and use. Among the topics that were identified were having regular sprint or workshops to help facilitate enhancements to our ecosystem and/or knowledge transfer. I understand that many of your are busy and that fresh contributors could help to offload some of that work on other shoulders. This is where we could use your help. If you are interested in doing a regular sprint or workshop, please contact me so we can create some sort of project calendar with all the sprints/meetups/workgroups we have within the project. There are a few meetups that happen every week likst openQA on Fridays (https://twitter.com/openSUSE/status/1349031253916442626?s=20) and Leap feature requests on Mondays (https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Jump/Policy/CommunitySLEChangeRequests#Weekl…) We hopefully can expand areas where we can improve use, share knowledge and increase contributions on regular monthly or quarterly meetups. We plan on doing a quarterly sprint/workgroup on improving websites and the wiki, which I send out once we have all the details. We can organize these like tracks. Say a website enhancement track, mentors track, wiki track, etc. Does this sound good? Also, we have another meetup on Jan. 30 at 13:00 UTC. The meetup will take place at https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020 <https://meet.opensuse.org/EOY2020>. https://news.opensuse.org/2021/01/18/meetup-will-discuss-survey-results-pro… v/r Doug

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Join the GitHub openSUSE org
by Gianluca Gabrielli 21 Jan '21

21 Jan '21

Hi Team, Could you please added me to the openSUSE org in GitHub? My GH username is StayPirate. Thank you and best regards, Gianluca -- Gianluca Gabrielli Cybersecurity Design & Engineering

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