I'd like to inform you about the following two changes to bugzilla:
openSUSE 10.3
=============
We have created a new product and opened it. Some of the bugs that
will not be fixed for 10.2 are moved over to that product.
SUSE Linux 10.0
===============
Our policy is to only fix security bugs for released products and we
fix the occasional critical bugs. Security bugs are reported by the
security team and with 10.1 out and 10.2 nearly finished, we're not
fixing critical bugs anymore so we do not really need a public
bugzilla here. We do see some misuse especially with 10.0 where
people report bugs against different products or ask for general help
and have therefore decided to make it non-public tomorrow.
SUSE Linux 10.1 will stay open for now - and openSUSE 10.2 is the
product we're working on,
Andreas
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SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
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Hi everyone,
After a very successful FOSDEM participation in 2006, we are happy to
announce that the openSUSE project will be taking part at FOSDEM 2007!
Besides representing openSUSE with a booth, we managed to get one of the
greatly demanded "devrooms", to conduct sessions centered around the
openSUSE project.
So, first of all, what the heck is "FOSDEM"? Quoting fosdem.org:
>> The seventh Free and Open source Software Developers' European Meeting
is a 2 days event, organized by volunteers, to promote the widespread
use of Free and Open Source software. Taking place in the beautiful city
of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM meetings are recognized as "The best Free
and Open Source events in Europe.
The event will take place *February 24th and 25th 2007* in Brussels
(Belgium).
FOSDEM 2006 attracted over 4000 visitors from all around the world.
Entrance and attendance to the event is totally free of charge! <<
In 2006 we launched the openSUSE build service at FOSDEM and attended with
more than 20 SUSE/Novell people. In fact, we had both a booth and a
"devroom", which was used to conduct several presentations and community
meetings. The overall response to our 2006 activities was very positive!
[Proceedings are available from http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2006]
For 2007, we dare to challenge all of us, the community, to play a much more
active role in making FOSDEM 2007 a great success. Therefore we would like
to open a "call for papers" and encourage everyone to send proposals to the
opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org mailing list. Proposals should be submitted by
*January 15th 2007*.
We will do our very best to support all community activities around FOSDEM.
Please share your ideas, visions, and comments regarding a successful FOSDEM
participation with us. FOSDEM will be the forum for open discussions about
the future of openSUSE.
We are looking forward to meeting all of you at FOSDEM 2007!
A happy holiday season and a great new year to all of you!
Your openSUSE team
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Hi,
Are there any extra measures in place to prevent opensuse.org going down
before the official 10.2 announcement, because of the hype?
Regards,
apokryphos.
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1. How does one support Suse as a customer while avoiding and opposing
the per-seat false patent tax collected by Novell in behalf of Microsoft?
2. Can/will Novell still use its patents to protect open projects by
threatening to sue Microsoft to keep projects free as was pledged in the
past.
3. Not even Microsoft and Novell can contest the fact that they did
their best to circumvent the intent of the GPL. Does this set the tone
for the future, especially with respect to the likely adoption of GPL v3
terms to close the holes exploited by Microsoft through Novell in this
case? How do we know whether Novell will continue down this course they
have set and work against the interests of the community? If Microsoft
starts threatening more actively, which this license from Novell seems
to encourage them to do, which side is Novell on? Will Novell campaign
against the best interests of the community in the fighting patenting of
Free technologies?
Ray Whitmer
ray(a)jhax.net
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So, I figure you guys developing Opensuse may know what's going on. I am running
an MSI computer with Microstar International motherboard, Intel 915 chipset, etc.
The driver is Realtek for my wired NIC and when I installed 10.1, during the
hardware scan, it found it. After install, it couldn't recognize it as wired NIC
so I can't get wired internet. When I look at Hardware details, it is listed. I
am using the SMP version of the kernel. Can you tell me how to get my wired NIC
working? My wireless is working (ipw3945ABG) minus the fact that it has a 5 ft
range. It is listed as eth1 and requires that I push a button to turn on the
wireless NIC. Any ideas?
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The IRC as realtime has it's limitations for worldwide usage. It has to be
split in regional branches in order to be useful for people that are at work,
sleep etc. Second, the people that don't type fast can be only observers.
I don't see why email is not good for topics that are discussed on meetings.
There is seldom something urgent that has to be solved in real time like it
is with installation and configuration issues, where IRC is in obvious
advantage.
The only problem is that people should be aware that some thread is dedicated
to discuss issues that deserve broad presence, and it is not meant for
chatter, but serious dicussion.
Is there anything else that makes IRC better medium for such topics.
--
Regards, Rajko.
http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSEhttp://en.opensuse.org/Portal
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Many productive things came out of the first community meeting on IRC
(http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Community_Meeting_2006-12-16/minutes). In
the brainstorming section, one of these things was the decision to have a
completely new resource for openSUSE-user created content; a place where we
could document the stuff that we can't put directly onto opensuse.org, such
as packman and guru tutorials, codecs, etc.
There are many such sites, so we first assessed whether any of them was
suitable. Currently there are many such resources around, but instructions
for each particular thing are scattered over very many sites (specifically:
susewiki.acapanela.com, susewiki.org, spinink.net, suseroot.com, and
recently -- suseguide.org).
This is confusing to a new user trying to find his way, counterproductive, and
evidently creates quite a bit of duplication. So we've decided to create a
place where:
(i) we won't try to replace the great documentation on opensuse.org, and
reference wherever possible,
(ii) integrate nicely with opensuse.org (hence using mediawiki; going to be
using a similar style), and
(iii) be organised and straightforward; and specifically, organised for
different openSUSE versions.
If this last point is kept true, then rewriting a few bits of documentation
should be easier, while still keeping the older ones accessible. A few of
these ideas are executed in:
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sourceshttp://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats
..which will probably end up being the main point of referrals to the site.
This is a site now where all users can chip in their documentation, so it
should go without saying, but please do add anything that might be useful.
sPiN is also on contacting some of aforementioned site owners, to get some
collaboration in on this. It would be nice to get all the
community-contributed content under one resource :)
So, we'd like to broaden up the discussion a little bit on the list here.
Thoughts? Ideas? Please share.
Current TODO:
* Fix up the ugly mediawiki default skin. Plan on using opensuse's theme and
adapting it soon.
* Document more on the About page, as well as other things as listed on
http://opensuse-community.org/Tasks
* Contact other site owners
Kind thoughts,
apokryphos.
> This mailing list is really not an appropriate place.
I am sorry for that. But I can not stand another no reason ban from the
same person. So I thought everyone should know how are the users of
#suse channel treated by [daemon]
> I won't comment on whether the ban was fair or not as I was not
> watching the channel at the time. It does appear from a cursory glance
> at the logs that you continued to ask the same question several times
> after being given an answer and a link to read several times too, with
> no indication you were listening to the answers.
That might be true ... but there is saying in Slovak language I try to
translate:
"Repeating is mother of knowledge"
and if only answer from [daemon] is ban when I ask again for more
specific help, then I just dont know ... [daemon] actually even did not
send me the link ... it was another user. And it was link to
tldp.org ... the howto I have got printed before me on my desktop. The
theme of "conversation" was different... nevermind.
> > Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I don't like idiots who don't
> > listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I
> > think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help and
> > maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ...
> > If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then
> > this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and
> > must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist
> > fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know
> > for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has nothing
> > to do as OP in #suse channel.
> Even if you were correct and the ban was the result of a
> misunderstanding that is no reason to attack the person directly.
> [daemon] has helped in the channel for years and also helped
>
Still, [daemon] started to insult me first - just check the log and see
the truth. I have learned much 'bout my first ban from [daemon] about
half year ago, so I did not started to insult this time, it was he who
started. Still ... nevermind. The point is, OP should not insult anyone
in the channel...
Maybe he is tired of noobie questions and so on... so maybe its time for
fresh blood in OPs lines ;)
> > I am not talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his
> > continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or
> > totally new people to linux-community.
>
> That has not been my observation.
But I observing it . . . it's happening when some noob ask noobie
questions... and its a nigthmare when I see [daemon] is active on
channel
> I agree, and endeavour to be as polite and tolerant as possible, and
> only ban when allowing someone to remain in the channel would reduce
> the channel's effectiveness. In #suse we are actually far more
> permissive than most channels, some policing must be done though, or
> the trolls make the channel unusable.
good to read at least one "I agree" :) but I still dont see the reason
why kick/ban user when he is conversating on topic on the channel, which
is channels' purpose isn't it?
> The ban was not for long, you can soon rejoin.
> [daemon] has given up his time to help people and police the channel
> for many years.
> I'm also not sure what you mean by "officially demand". The #suse
> channel is unofficial, [daemon] is one of the oldest channel members.
The question is: Do I want to rejoin after two "no reason ban
incidents?" or even better Would some "#suse channel first-timer" want
to rejoin after something this discouraging?
I am answering YES. Cause I try to oversee people like [daemon] all my
life, who fully enjoy the POWER they have, even if its small and
pointless power, and who respect no one lower than their level of
experiences and knowledge...
Nevertheless, I respect [daemon] for what hi did and still doing for
#suse, but disagreement is not disrespect.
Thank you very much for reply
Best wishes
KaiSVK
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Dear and respected openSuSE community,
I have been banned from IRC channel #suse by "some" [daemon] for, I believe,
NO REASON. If I am mistaken, please, mail me the reason...
Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I don't like idiots who don't
listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I
think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help and
maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ...
If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then
this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and
must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist
fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know
for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has nothing
to do as OP in #suse channel.
I am not talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his
continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or
totally new people to linux-community.
Dear openSuSE community, If this is the way we all want to promote linux to be
used everywhere, to help migrate people to linux, to help people use it, the
way to be rude, arogant, intolerant to new users then IMHO it's not the right
way acomplish these goals.
I officially demand reconsider acting of [daemon] as an OP in #suse channel
and please, let me tell my opinion again - I have never met some kind of rude
and complex-frustrated man like [daemon] on the whole internet in my whole
life, and that every single user, even the biggest linux newbie must be
better OP than Mr. [daemon].
Best wishes
marry christmas
KaiSVK
I've noticed that zypper appears to be ignoring packages that it is aware
have updated versions available. For instance, I know that there is a newer
build of amarok in guru's repository, and it appears that zypper is aware of
this too:
fool:~ # zypper sh
zypper> ref
# refreshes repos ok
zypper> info amarok
Parsing metadata for packman...
Parsing metadata for gnome-community...
Parsing metadata for suse-non-oss...
Parsing metadata for kde...
Parsing metadata for wine...
Parsing metadata for suse...
Parsing metadata for beryl-compiz...
Parsing metadata for opensuse-cli-tools...
Parsing metadata for kde-backports...
Parsing metadata for beineri...
Parsing metadata for guru...
Parsing metadata for suse-update...
Parsing RPM database...
Information for package amarok:
Catalog: guru
Name: amarok
Version: 1.4.4-108.guru.suse102
Arch: i686
Installed: Yes
Status: out-of-date (version 1.4.4-107.guru.suse102 installed)
Installed Size: 28.5 M
Summary: Media Player for KDE
etc etc
Note the out-of-date status line. Yet if I update I get "Nothing to do". I
had this yesterday as well with several new kde packages that installed via
smart where zypper had previously declined to update. I don't think it can be
a dependency issue, as zypper and smart have _exactly_ the same repositories
in my setup.
Any ideas? I will file a proper bug report later if necessary.
Thanks
Craig
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