openSUSE Project December 2006

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by Andreas Jaeger

I'd like to inform you about the following two changes to bugzilla: openSUSE 10.3 ============= We have created a new product and opened it. Some of the bugs that will not be fixed for 10.2 are moved over to that product. SUSE Linux 10.0 =============== Our policy is to only fix security bugs for released products and we fix the occasional critical bugs. Security bugs are reported by the security team and with 10.1 out and 10.2 nearly finished, we're not fixing critical bugs anymore so we do not really need a public bugzilla here. We do see some misuse especially with 10.0 where people report bugs against different products or ask for general help and have therefore decided to make it non-public tomorrow. SUSE Linux 10.1 will stay open for now - and openSUSE 10.2 is the product we're working on, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a)suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

13 years, 8 months

openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2007 call for papers/speakers/participants

by Christoph Thiel

Hi everyone, After a very successful FOSDEM participation in 2006, we are happy to announce that the openSUSE project will be taking part at FOSDEM 2007! Besides representing openSUSE with a booth, we managed to get one of the greatly demanded "devrooms", to conduct sessions centered around the openSUSE project. So, first of all, what the heck is "FOSDEM"? Quoting fosdem.org: >> The seventh Free and Open source Software Developers' European Meeting is a 2 days event, organized by volunteers, to promote the widespread use of Free and Open Source software. Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM meetings are recognized as "The best Free and Open Source events in Europe. The event will take place *February 24th and 25th 2007* in Brussels (Belgium). FOSDEM 2006 attracted over 4000 visitors from all around the world. Entrance and attendance to the event is totally free of charge! << In 2006 we launched the openSUSE build service at FOSDEM and attended with more than 20 SUSE/Novell people. In fact, we had both a booth and a "devroom", which was used to conduct several presentations and community meetings. The overall response to our 2006 activities was very positive! [Proceedings are available from http://en.opensuse.org/FOSDEM2006] For 2007, we dare to challenge all of us, the community, to play a much more active role in making FOSDEM 2007 a great success. Therefore we would like to open a "call for papers" and encourage everyone to send proposals to the opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org mailing list. Proposals should be submitted by *January 15th 2007*. We will do our very best to support all community activities around FOSDEM. Please share your ideas, visions, and comments regarding a successful FOSDEM participation with us. FOSDEM will be the forum for open discussions about the future of openSUSE. We are looking forward to meeting all of you at FOSDEM 2007! A happy holiday season and a great new year to all of you! Your openSUSE team --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 10 months

Site going down at release

by Francis Giannaros

Hi, Are there any extra measures in place to prevent opensuse.org going down before the official 10.2 announcement, because of the hype? Regards, apokryphos. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 10 months

Unnanswered questions regarcing Novell-Microsoft agreements

by Ray David Whitmer

1. How does one support Suse as a customer while avoiding and opposing the per-seat false patent tax collected by Novell in behalf of Microsoft? 2. Can/will Novell still use its patents to protect open projects by threatening to sue Microsoft to keep projects free as was pledged in the past. 3. Not even Microsoft and Novell can contest the fact that they did their best to circumvent the intent of the GPL. Does this set the tone for the future, especially with respect to the likely adoption of GPL v3 terms to close the holes exploited by Microsoft through Novell in this case? How do we know whether Novell will continue down this course they have set and work against the interests of the community? If Microsoft starts threatening more actively, which this license from Novell seems to encourage them to do, which side is Novell on? Will Novell campaign against the best interests of the community in the fighting patenting of Free technologies? Ray Whitmer ray(a)jhax.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 10 months

NIC

by Jay Smith

So, I figure you guys developing Opensuse may know what's going on. I am running an MSI computer with Microstar International motherboard, Intel 915 chipset, etc. The driver is Realtek for my wired NIC and when I installed 10.1, during the hardware scan, it found it. After install, it couldn't recognize it as wired NIC so I can't get wired internet. When I look at Hardware details, it is listed. I am using the SMP version of the kernel. Can you tell me how to get my wired NIC working? My wireless is working (ipw3945ABG) minus the fact that it has a 5 ft range. It is listed as eth1 and requires that I push a button to turn on the wireless NIC. Any ideas? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 10 months

"Meetings" using email to overcome time zone limitations.

by Rajko M.

The IRC as realtime has it's limitations for worldwide usage. It has to be split in regional branches in order to be useful for people that are at work, sleep etc. Second, the people that don't type fast can be only observers. I don't see why email is not good for topics that are discussed on meetings. There is seldom something urgent that has to be solved in real time like it is with installation and configuration issues, where IRC is in obvious advantage. The only problem is that people should be aware that some thread is dedicated to discuss issues that deserve broad presence, and it is not meant for chatter, but serious dicussion. Is there anything else that makes IRC better medium for such topics. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 10 months

Announcing openSUSE-community.org

by Francis Giannaros

Many productive things came out of the first community meeting on IRC (http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Community_Meeting_2006-12-16/minutes). In the brainstorming section, one of these things was the decision to have a completely new resource for openSUSE-user created content; a place where we could document the stuff that we can't put directly onto opensuse.org, such as packman and guru tutorials, codecs, etc. There are many such sites, so we first assessed whether any of them was suitable. Currently there are many such resources around, but instructions for each particular thing are scattered over very many sites (specifically: susewiki.acapanela.com, susewiki.org, spinink.net, suseroot.com, and recently -- suseguide.org). This is confusing to a new user trying to find his way, counterproductive, and evidently creates quite a bit of duplication. So we've decided to create a place where: (i) we won't try to replace the great documentation on opensuse.org, and reference wherever possible, (ii) integrate nicely with opensuse.org (hence using mediawiki; going to be using a similar style), and (iii) be organised and straightforward; and specifically, organised for different openSUSE versions. If this last point is kept true, then rewriting a few bits of documentation should be easier, while still keeping the older ones accessible. A few of these ideas are executed in: http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats ..which will probably end up being the main point of referrals to the site. This is a site now where all users can chip in their documentation, so it should go without saying, but please do add anything that might be useful. sPiN is also on contacting some of aforementioned site owners, to get some collaboration in on this. It would be nice to get all the community-contributed content under one resource :) So, we'd like to broaden up the discussion a little bit on the list here. Thoughts? Ideas? Please share. Current TODO: * Fix up the ugly mediawiki default skin. Plan on using opensuse's theme and adapting it soon. * Document more on the About page, as well as other things as listed on http://opensuse-community.org/Tasks * Contact other site owners Kind thoughts, apokryphos.

13 years, 11 months

Re: [opensuse-project] One very bad chosen IRC OP . . .

by Jozef Peterka

> This mailing list is really not an appropriate place. I am sorry for that. But I can not stand another no reason ban from the same person. So I thought everyone should know how are the users of #suse channel treated by [daemon] > I won't comment on whether the ban was fair or not as I was not > watching the channel at the time. It does appear from a cursory glance > at the logs that you continued to ask the same question several times > after being given an answer and a link to read several times too, with > no indication you were listening to the answers. That might be true ... but there is saying in Slovak language I try to translate: "Repeating is mother of knowledge" and if only answer from [daemon] is ban when I ask again for more specific help, then I just dont know ... [daemon] actually even did not send me the link ... it was another user. And it was link to tldp.org ... the howto I have got printed before me on my desktop. The theme of "conversation" was different... nevermind. > > Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I don't like idiots who don't > > listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I > > think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help and > > maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ... > > If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then > > this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and > > must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist > > fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know > > for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has nothing > > to do as OP in #suse channel. > Even if you were correct and the ban was the result of a > misunderstanding that is no reason to attack the person directly. > [daemon] has helped in the channel for years and also helped > Still, [daemon] started to insult me first - just check the log and see the truth. I have learned much 'bout my first ban from [daemon] about half year ago, so I did not started to insult this time, it was he who started. Still ... nevermind. The point is, OP should not insult anyone in the channel... Maybe he is tired of noobie questions and so on... so maybe its time for fresh blood in OPs lines ;) > > I am not talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his > > continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or > > totally new people to linux-community. > > That has not been my observation. But I observing it . . . it's happening when some noob ask noobie questions... and its a nigthmare when I see [daemon] is active on channel > I agree, and endeavour to be as polite and tolerant as possible, and > only ban when allowing someone to remain in the channel would reduce > the channel's effectiveness. In #suse we are actually far more > permissive than most channels, some policing must be done though, or > the trolls make the channel unusable. good to read at least one "I agree" :) but I still dont see the reason why kick/ban user when he is conversating on topic on the channel, which is channels' purpose isn't it? > The ban was not for long, you can soon rejoin. > [daemon] has given up his time to help people and police the channel > for many years. > I'm also not sure what you mean by "officially demand". The #suse > channel is unofficial, [daemon] is one of the oldest channel members. The question is: Do I want to rejoin after two "no reason ban incidents?" or even better Would some "#suse channel first-timer" want to rejoin after something this discouraging? I am answering YES. Cause I try to oversee people like [daemon] all my life, who fully enjoy the POWER they have, even if its small and pointless power, and who respect no one lower than their level of experiences and knowledge... Nevertheless, I respect [daemon] for what hi did and still doing for #suse, but disagreement is not disrespect. Thank you very much for reply Best wishes KaiSVK --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 11 months

One very bad chosen IRC OP . . .

by KaiSVK

Dear and respected openSuSE community, I have been banned from IRC channel #suse by "some" [daemon] for, I believe, NO REASON. If I am mistaken, please, mail me the reason... Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I don't like idiots who don't listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help and maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ... If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has nothing to do as OP in #suse channel. I am not talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or totally new people to linux-community. Dear openSuSE community, If this is the way we all want to promote linux to be used everywhere, to help migrate people to linux, to help people use it, the way to be rude, arogant, intolerant to new users then IMHO it's not the right way acomplish these goals. I officially demand reconsider acting of [daemon] as an OP in #suse channel and please, let me tell my opinion again - I have never met some kind of rude and complex-frustrated man like [daemon] on the whole internet in my whole life, and that every single user, even the biggest linux newbie must be better OP than Mr. [daemon]. Best wishes marry christmas KaiSVK

13 years, 11 months

zypper not installing updated packages

by Craig Millar

I've noticed that zypper appears to be ignoring packages that it is aware have updated versions available. For instance, I know that there is a newer build of amarok in guru's repository, and it appears that zypper is aware of this too: fool:~ # zypper sh zypper> ref # refreshes repos ok zypper> info amarok Parsing metadata for packman... Parsing metadata for gnome-community... Parsing metadata for suse-non-oss... Parsing metadata for kde... Parsing metadata for wine... Parsing metadata for suse... Parsing metadata for beryl-compiz... Parsing metadata for opensuse-cli-tools... Parsing metadata for kde-backports... Parsing metadata for beineri... Parsing metadata for guru... Parsing metadata for suse-update... Parsing RPM database... Information for package amarok: Catalog: guru Name: amarok Version: 1.4.4-108.guru.suse102 Arch: i686 Installed: Yes Status: out-of-date (version 1.4.4-107.guru.suse102 installed) Installed Size: 28.5 M Summary: Media Player for KDE etc etc Note the out-of-date status line. Yet if I update I get "Nothing to do". I had this yesterday as well with several new kde packages that installed via smart where zypper had previously declined to update. I don't think it can be a dependency issue, as zypper and smart have _exactly_ the same repositories in my setup. Any ideas? I will file a proper bug report later if necessary. Thanks Craig --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

13 years, 11 months

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