December 2006 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] Unnanswered questions regarcing Novell-Microsoft agreements
by Marcus Meissner 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:24:42AM -0700, Ray David Whitmer wrote: > Marcus Meissner wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 01:31:45PM +0000, Ricardo Cruz wrote: > > > >> Ray David Whitmer wrote (@ Quarta, 6 de Dezembro de 2006 15:44): > >> > >>> 1. How does one support Suse as a customer while avoiding and opposing > >>> the per-seat false patent tax collected by Novell in behalf of Microsoft? > >>> > >>> 2. Can/will Novell still use its patents to protect open projects by > >>> threatening to sue Microsoft to keep projects free as was pledged in the > >>> past. > >>> > >>> 3. Not even Microsoft and Novell can contest the fact that they did > >>> their best to circumvent the intent of the GPL. > >>> > >> What happen? That's big news. I have not been able to follow slashdot, so I > >> mostly follow what's posted here. Please post the developments. > >> > > > > The original poster is just a troll, all points have been brought up multiple times and > > refuted here and by official statements from us. > > > I am sorry you feel you have to call something a troll rather than > answering questions that were avoided in the meeting and have not been > competently addressed, that I have seen. My colleages and myself have answered questions like those several times. > Please provide specific references where each of these issues has been > addressed -- the best answer you are aware of, not SCO-style just > claiming it must be in there somewhere. > > Your own opinions are regularly called trolls in other forums where > people value software freedom and do not appreciate attacks on it that > Novell seems to be assisting. > > You seem to repudiate the claim at the end of the meeting that remaining > questions could be addressed here. 1. You allege there is a per seat tax. There is no such thing. Here you should show us proof, not the other way round. 2. http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html It is very clear on this topic. 3. http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Special_Meeting_2006-11-27/transcript 18:33 +<Nat_> 5. This deal does not violate GPLv2. 18:33 +<Nat_> Eben Moglen read our agreement and hasn't said a thing about GPLv2 violation. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't think there is any. 18:33 +<Nat_> Instead, he and Richard are using the community energy to try to get people to adopt the previously-controversial GPLv3 (which we support also) Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Updating kernel
by Christopher Bonner 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

Hi, I am currently running openSUSE 10.2 rc2 on my laptop. When the power is plugged in it is incredibly slow! I had the same problem with Fedora, but this was solved because the wrong kernel architecture was installed. i586 instead of i686. How can I install a i686 version of the kernel to see if this solves my problem on openSUSE? Many thanks. Chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] New versioning system?
by Dominique Leuenberger 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

>>> Reply on 05-12-2006 15:25:20 <<< > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 14:03 +0100, houghi wrote: > > > So a customer buying "HoughiSoftware 2004" now, is he being ripped of > or > > not? I will tell you what the latest version of this hypotetical > package > > is AFTER you answer yes or no. ;-) > > > That's a trick question :-P > > SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-) > > At least, if I were about to buy a software labeled "2004" I would try > to > get more info before opening my purse. > That must be why nobody ever thinks at the moment when buying Microsoft Windows 2003 Server. It has such a recent numbering yea rin it's name. And what shall happen with a release just by the end of the year 2006 (like 10.2): is it already named 2007 or still 2006? And if 2007: when exactly would be the limit to name it 2007 or not? Probably by asking around this question, you get everything back to Janaury 2006 for the 2007 release. Sorry, but I don't like these 200x numbers at all! MS Started them with win95 (which, btw, was released in August), and it continued.. and guess what: for some reasons, they gave up on it with WinXP and vista... we should profit from their marketing knowledge and not start putting year numbers as version numbers. Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Hello y'all
by Jay Smith 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

SO I realized that I've been talking on here for the past 2 or 3 weeks but never formerly introduced myself and thanked you for letting me participate. I am Jay and I have an IT Consulting business in San Antonio, Texas. I am 100% pro-open source, I haven't used Windows in over two years and have used only Linux. I am also doing my part trying to make Linux a household name as well as a business name. I have installed my share of pure Linux systems for consumers and businesses. I am a Novell Partner (Novell has excellent business solutions unlike some other distros). SuSE and Ubuntu are the only two distros that I like. But of course, I think OpenSUSE is better because it has far more capabilities I believe. I want to help OpenSUSE grow in anyway possible. I am not much for programming but I can help in other ways. Don't worry, I am not trying to incorporate Linux or lose the open source feeling. I love Linux and the open source philosophy. I now want to promote SuSE to more people and OpenSuse.org is excellent, I've been using it and so has my family and we all love it. I want to see Linux and Open Source knock Microsoft off of the charts and become a standard but we must all work together and I am here to contribute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Mark Shuttleworth 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

Novell’s decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek We are hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community - in any capacity, including developers and package maintainers. If you want to find out how Ubuntu works, how to contribute or participate, or how to get specific items addressed, there will be something for you. I’ll also be on IRC on Tuesday 28th to answer any questions you may have of me specifically, such as Luis’ questions about our position on software patents at http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/11/22/and-ubuntus-patent-stand/ There are a couple of sessions that would be particularly interesting for folks familiar with OpenSUSE. The Kubuntu team is hosting some events during the week to look at KDE and Ubuntu and to discuss the roadmap of their project. There are also a few events being hosted by the Ubuntu Desktop team’s, which I think should include some discussion of the ideas that came from the recent Ubuntu Developer Summit in Mountain View. There are a couple of Packaging 101 and Package Maintenance sessions too, specifically for developers. Ubuntu is structured to empower our community to get things done, and to maximise the opportunity for collaboration between teams that share a common vision (even if it’s not 100% of their vision, such as between the Gnome, KDE and XFCE desktop teams). While we’re always open to new members, we thought it would be a good idea to identify a dedicated week where new members would be the focus for our whole project. If you have an interest in being part of a vibrant community that cares about keeping free software widely available and protecting the rights of people to get it free of charge, free to modify, free of murky encumbrances and “undisclosed balance sheet liabilities”, then please do join us. I know that posting this message to an OpenSUSE list will be controversial. I'm greatly respectful of the long tradition of excellence in the SuSE product and community and have no desire to undermine that with this post. That said, I think the position taken by Novell leadership in their contract with Microsoft is hugely disrespectful of the contributions of thousands of GPL programmers and contributors to SuSE, and I know that many are looking for a new place to get involved that is not subject to the same arbitrary executive intervention. Ubuntu is one option, as are Gentoo, Debian and other communities. Please accept this mail in that spirit. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Introduction
by scsijon 03 Dec '06

03 Dec '06

At 10:21 PM 29/11/2006, Peter Flodin wrote: >On 11/29/06, James Ruffer <admin(a)unixbox.ws> wrote: >>Thank you for allowing to join the community. >>I would love to help by offering my project management skills. >>I am currently working with a computer forensics company and >>would like to donate more time to the SUSE OS. > >Welcome James, >Time is one of the most valuable commodities to give an opensource >community. Subscribe to the mailing lists that interest you, connect >to the next openSUSE meeting, open to all, and held via IRC, read the >wiki (or even contribute), and try to figure out where you can help >the project. > >>Also I have a collocation center in NY that I would be more than >>happy to mirror SUSE as well as run some open project management >>software for all to use. > >With the final release of 10.2 approaching this is the perfect time to >setup a new mirror. Refer to >http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure for how to participate. > >Pflodo >Peter Flodin. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- just as a general query how much space is usually needed to handle a release mirror? scsijon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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