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[opensuse-project] package wishlists
by Craig Millar 21 Dec '06

21 Dec '06

With regards to package wishlists on the website[1]. There are several requests for packages that are already available through the build service / packman / guru. Is it preferable to link to these available packages (bearing in mind that build service packages especially may not be production ready), either with or without a disclaimer that the packages therein may not be of the standard expected, or to remove them as they are available elsewhere (esp in a more popular source, such as pm or guru)? On occasion, links have been supplied to, for eg, packman resources, only for the user to complain that it's not part of the official openSUSE builds and therefore less desirable[2]. Personally I tend to trust packman (and indeed guru and several build service) builds having used them for ages. My question is more about the intent of these pages. Is it to provide any link (no matter how reliable) to SUSE rpms, or is it to provide links to better known (or only official) builds? I think the essential issue is that of relationship of trust built up between a (group of) user(s) and a particular packager. Perhaps a revamp of the wishlist pages is in order, something along the lines of wishlist items that are (or perhaps in factory), officially fulfilled, and a list of repos that are available (unofficially, and stated as such). Regards Craig [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Wishlist [2] "It is packaged in the PackMan repository but not directly in OpenSuse" - one particular quote. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] package wishlists
by Dominique Leuenberger 20 Dec '06

20 Dec '06

>>> Reply on 20-12-2006 12:06:32 <<< > The main problem here is that you can not trust all packages in the > build > service (and I suppose also not all at packman) in an equal way. > > Some packages use sources from less or more trusted projects, some only > from > some single deveoper and so on. And the packages are also created by > complete > different people. > > This is something we want to target with a trust and rating system in > future, > but there no detailed plans yet :/ > Indeed, indeed. That is truely true :-) Having links on the wishlist is probably the best for now. Still, it would be very good if it could be linked to a .repo file that get's automatically added to the system (like I think zypper can do already? but only zypper so far, right?) About the rating, I think it would also be very nice (for enduser as also for packagers) to have sort of a bugtrack attached to every single project / package. To have a uniform way of how to report a bug. This might require some help for the enduser, as not all are really aware where from they just installed the package (oh.. you know, in IRC they told me to add these this and that repo.. and then a lot of updates came in which I just all accepted)... so maybe something like in Yast selecting a package and having the option 'report bug for this package' could be something? Reading the information from a 'bugreport' field inside RPM? (does this already exist or will we have to extend the RPM format?) Rgds, Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Education site, Help wanted!
by Rajko M. 19 Dec '06

19 Dec '06

On Sunday 17 December 2006 20:00, James Tremblay wrote: > On Sun, 2006-12-17 at 19:01 -0600, Rajko M. wrote: > > On Sunday 17 December 2006 15:59, James Tremblay wrote: > > > > Having above will help us to focus effort on specific software and > > > > initiate interest to develop missing. There is a lot of guys out > > > > there that are developing n+1 editor (or whatever) , maybe we can > > > > attract them by opening projects on sourceforge.net, for instance. > > > > > > I don't even know what the above paragraph means, I do know what > > > sourceforge is, LOL > > > > It means that many people look for something to do and take time to make > > another software that exists in many versions, for instance text editor. > > They can find more appealing to stretch their muscles on something that > > will have some really good purpose. > > > > And the http://sourceforge.net is the web site where anybody can start > > some kind of software project and it is possible to find a lot of > > developers. As you can see there is no education category, so there is > > chance to start something. > > Sir, > So what we really need is someone to manage the postings and the > volunteers, someone who understands all the lingo and qualifications of > the components necessary to pull this together. Do you know anyone? No for now, but the Education has more views that many older wiki pages, so it is matter of time to have more members. > I am not a project manager, not of this magnitude anyway, > should we hold an election? create a board? You never know until you try. > I have asked a prominent > activist for an opensource education management stack from Florida to > join us to add to the knowledge base on the subject. I have not heard > from him, directly. I'm sure he looked at the page and will come soon. > This needs a full time product manager with a well equipped team to > manage it. Probably, but many hands can do a miracle. > I am very willing to convey what I think and would like to > see in the finished product, and anything I can do to forward this > effort. I am a humble public servant without the resources to pull this > off alone. > Where do we start? > James I'm already looking the sf.net for programs. The category Education is not listed on the front page, but under all categories there is with more than 4000 projects. http://sourceforge.net/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=71 Enough work for some time :-) -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Get Involved! openSUSE community meeting 2006-12-16 18:00GMT
by Francis Giannaros 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

This is a reminder of Saturday's Community meeting (which also originally didn't go to the list here). Information below as provided by Benjamin Weber: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Details: Date: Saturday - 2006-12-16 Time: 18:00 GMT Location: irc.freenode.net #opensuse-community Explanation: This meeting is primarily organised for, and run by openSUSE community members who are not employed by Novell/SUSE. This meeting is not a status meeting, Status meetings are primarily communication to and from @suse.de folk. The aims of the meeting are to: - Inform (of existing community participation.) - Encourage (further community involvements through practical suggestions.) - Enable (said involvement with further meetings & connecting resources.) The meeting is planned for a Saturday as this seems to be the best day to allow as many people as possible who do not work for Novell/SUSE to attend. A core group of people have already agreed to attend. It would be great to have as many people as possible attend. Whether you have any interest in participating in the project in any capacity, or are simply interested in what others are doing. It would be good to feedback on the results of this meeting at the status meeting on 2006-12-20. However, most of those involved with organising this meeting are unable to attend status meetings due to timing. Agenda below: --- Agenda: - Introduction/Purpose of meeting. - Overview of a selection of existing projects with opensuse community involvement, and how others can get involved. - opensuseupdater (Narayan Newton) - Translation (Martin Schlander) - Packaging (Pascal Bleser) - Build Service clients (Jonathan Arsenault) - Package Search (Benjamin Weber) - Perhaps more, time permitting. If you want to talk about a project you are involved with let me know, or reply to this thread. - Brainstorming session to concoct achievable projects that would directly benefit openSUSE. Please come with ideas if you have any. Aim for projects requiring varying skillsets. Results can be populated on http://en.opensuse.org/Tasks . Some ideas to kick off discussion: - Some ideas on http://en.opensuse.org/Tasks and http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist already. - Extensions to pre-existing projects mentioned in the first part of the meeting. - YaST module UI cleanup [1] - FAQ [2] - One click repository adding + Package install [3] - Hopefully many more to be gathered before and during meeting. - Organisation - Exchange names/contact details with any who are interested in helping with a particular suggestion. - Plan dates for subsequent specialized meetings to persue any projects with significant interest. - Set preliminary date for next community meeting. - Assign task of writing minutes. - Assign task of updating wiki tasks/projects page with results of this meeting. - Assign task of giving feedback on the results of this meeting at the next status meeting. -AOB --- [1] Certain modules in YaST are in need of user interface improvements to make their core functionality accessable to inexperienced users, This breaks down into several tasks for those with varying abilities/time. - Gather feedback about current modules, Identify core use-cases for modules. - Design/Mockup improved UI to better enable these core use-cases. - Gather feedback on suggested changes. - Make suggested changes. Requires: Users, Designers/Artists, Developers [2] There are innumerable existing howtos, tutorials, and support articles all over the place, on opensuse.org and in other places. Some superb, others less good. Many of the very most frequently asked questions touch areas of questionable legality and cannot be hosted on opensuse.org. It would be very beneficial to have a FAQ covering a few of the very most frequently asked questions and a "Best practice" consistent answer to each of the top n questions. They would cover not the easiest way for the support person to fix the issue with an obscure command, but the very easiest way for the user to accomplish their goal (& how they might discover it on their own). Illustrated with appropriate media, Text,Screenshots,Screencasts etc as appropriate. This is a lot more work than it might sound, but it is something that many people would be capable of helping with. Entails: Discussion & Planning to come up with the top questions & easiest way to solve each question. High level of maintenance to keep current (See constant changes in best way to install nvidia driver etc) Requires: People experienced with support in Real Life/Forum/IRC etc; Good language skills; Translators [3] I blogged about this after this meeting was planned (http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/next_generation_package/). ------------------------------------------------ Kind thoughts, Francis Giannaros.

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Re: [opensuse-project] Education site, Help wanted!
by Rajko M. 18 Dec '06

18 Dec '06

On Sunday 17 December 2006 15:59, James Tremblay wrote: > > Having above will help us to focus effort on specific software and > > initiate interest to develop missing. There is a lot of guys out there > > that are developing n+1 editor (or whatever) , maybe we can attract them > > by opening projects on sourceforge.net, for instance. > > I don't even know what the above paragraph means, I do know what > sourceforge is, LOL It means that many people look for something to do and take time to make another software that exists in many versions, for instance text editor. They can find more appealing to stretch their muscles on something that will have some really good purpose. And the http://sourceforge.net is the web site where anybody can start some kind of software project and it is possible to find a lot of developers. As you can see there is no education category, so there is chance to start something. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Portal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Community meeting transcript and minutes.
by B.Weber＠warwick.ac.uk 17 Dec '06

17 Dec '06

Greetings all, Many thanks to all who took part in yesterday's community meeting. It was a great success for a first meeting. We had 50 people present at the peak, and 3 hours of useful discussion. The transcript and minutes are now available at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Community_Meeting_2006-12-16/transcript and http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Community_Meeting_2006-12-16/minutes _ Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] konvenientSUSE for 10.2
by Martin Schlander 13 Dec '06

13 Dec '06

KonviSUSE is now updated and available for 10.2. It supports Zypper, Rug and Smart. http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=43378 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 10.2 Release Page
by Francis Giannaros 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Problem: the openSUSE "Released" page (in the News section) simply links to the mailing list, and though while informative, like all ML announcements it does not contain the more prettier features of a HTML/Wiki page announcement. So, I created a page over at http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_News/10.2-Release with a few pretty screenshots and some more information about it, with direct examples and a few more branches out into the already very good entries on the Wiki. Posting it on the list to hopefully get some more feedback, ideas, and abuse. :P Known problems: * Need some gnome screenshots with a little expansion. henne has said he'll try to do this, so stay tuned. Kind thoughts, Francis.

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RE: [opensuse-project] Site going down at release - solution
by Carlos E. R. 08 Dec '06

08 Dec '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 2006-12-06 a las 13:06 -0500, Anthony Bryan escribió: [ You wrote to me direct, and I tried to answer direct; but comcast doesn't like my IP, so I have to answer in the list. As the subject may interest others and there is nothing private, I suppose there is no harm] [or we take it to a different list, if OT] > > I'll mention that is is not possible to compile aria2-0.9.0.tar.bz2 in > > suse 10.1, a dependency problem: it needs libxml 2.6.24, and 10.1 has > > 2.6.23. That support is necesary for the metalink part of the program. > > > > I opened a thread about this in opensuse, please answer there. I just > > want to call your attention to that; me and many others will not be > > able to use metalink this run, I'm afraid. > > Thanks for checking that out Carlos. I wonder if the config files can be > changed to depend on 2.6.23. It used to be 2.6.26, but was lowered for > Ubuntu which depends on 2.6.24. I don't know how to do that, it's over me. If you have a patch, or instructions, I can certainly try. I'm not a Linux developer; I was an MsDos one. For the few things I write for my use, I don't use configure scripts, no need, thus I don't know how they work, execpt vaguely. What I did was to try the previous aria version (aria2-0.8.1.tar.bz2) but it also has the same problem. > Or maybe a newer libxml2 could be supplied. That's a no-no for suse: they never change package versions for a distro once delivered, unless forced to. > It would be really nice if people running SuSE could use metalink to > download upgrades. It seems like binaries are available on most other > platforms, so most others will be able to use it. There is no link in the wiki page to any metalink client in rpm form: people are forced to compile their own. I have been pointed to one in the guru repository, but I don't trust it. I don't think many people will use metalink with so many dificulties... we from the mass are not using 10.2 yet. I'm running the configure for "wxDownload Fast" at this very moment. I'll see if I can use that client instead. [...] No problems there. Let's see the make... It "made" in 6 minutes, and it runs. I'll have to find something to try it on ;-) - -- Saludos Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdzG9tTMYHG2NR9URAj8/AJwKT3q3P7Pt7/GcDrmX0rCmQoCGFACfWi3s isp/eqK9BZOjrRmm+ibO6jk= =KMSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[opensuse-project] Bugs Most Annoying Bugs 10.2
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I updated http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.2 with the comments from the IRC Meeting today. If you want to add to it please do. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFFdw7XVtBjDid73eYRAta7AJ9rJ1G98JF8JzkiC/HUfCtqa8DW/QCeN+mM plIQ8CsZdh58WzSGcacz6GE= =mscQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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