I believe that openSUSE would have been just as good a fit on a netbook
as this:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=1221&tag=nl.e539
I think the reason things like this keep going Ubuntu is not that Ubuntu
is better but that LTS
makes Ubuntu more usable and more re-installable because its less update
intensive.
openSUSE 10.3 , A very likable and usable version takes almost 2 gb of
updates to get to it's best.
if all these updates had been rolled into a 10.3 LTS ISO it could have
taken HP's breath away!
It's our duty to find a way to keep the libre\free version of SUSE as
close to enterprise as possible without stealing it's thunder.
We have to find a blend of reliability and pioneering edge. SLED moves
to slow for personal usage yet, IMHO , openSUSE seems to move to fast.
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Moin,
openSUSE 11.1 is almost out of the door and we (coolo, aj, zonker and
myself) had some discussion about the release date for openSUSE 11.2.
First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months
release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and
probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well -
both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now
thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most
current OpenOffice and KDE in thhis would even have one additional
upside. It probably would be just in front of our openSUSE
conference. So the conference could be used for very a focused
openSUSE 11.3 planning.
But it has its downside as well. Finalization of the release would
happen during the summer holiday season. To address this we we added
one Beta to stretch the development time a bit.
Here's what we're talking about:
2009-02-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0
2009-03-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 1
2009-04-02 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 2
2009-04-30 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 3
2009-05-28 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 4
2009-06-25 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 1
2009-07-09 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 2
2009-07-24 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 3
2009-08-06 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 4
2009-08-20 openSUSE 11.2 RC1
2009-09-03 openSUSE 11.2 GM
2009-09-10 openSUSE 11.2 Public Release
Events to consider
March 3-8 CeBIT
March 8-13 BrainShare
June 24-27 LinuxTag
June 3-11 Akademy/Guadec
Sept openSUSE conference (mid of sept)
Sept Plumbers conference (around Sept 20-25)
Let us know what you're thinking about this.
Best
M
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Hello,
I have thought for quite some time to the idea of building a
community-based openSUSE testing team, and this seems to be the right
time to discuss of it.
The main idea is to create a group of stable testers to deeply test
openSUSE functionalities on their machines, in order to catch annoying
bugs earlier in the development stages, allowing the fixes to be done
and tested again in a more timely and less rushed manner.
It won't be easy, we need motivated volunteers and we have a lot to
learn to do it the right way, but I think it is worth the effort, if we
want to keep faith to the guiding principles, which states openSUSE aims
to be "the most usable Linux distribution" (and not the most cutting
edge one!).
I summed up the motivations, a short problem analysis about the current
status quo, and some proposal of solution in the attached slides so you
can comment them (thanks suseROCKs for the slide template).
All suggestions (and volunteers) are more than welcome, as well as some
help from Novell people currently involved in testing/quality assurance.
As I said we need to learn. ;-)
With kind regards,
Alberto
I just saw some comments that a new Google Summer of Code'2009
(http://code.google.com/soc) will be accepting project proposals
in a week or so.
I consider last year's participation great and would like to get your feedback
for this year:
* Shall we participate again?
* Already anybody volunteering as tutor?
* Who will organise GSOC for openSUSE?
Andreas
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After our openly elected Board Members sent their open letter[0] to us
the community there seems to have been a bit of a media frenzy. I use
the term frenzy very loosely here as there was no circus, certainly
nothing like that after some of the things that have happened in the
past, but a definite air of FUD on behalf of some supposed
journalists.
Now I have made it pretty clear to many that I think journalism
nowadays has taken a subterranean nose dive in quality and
authenticity, with almost no investigation into the facts and an
insatiable lust to turn anything into evil especially in the tech
industry. We have the usual FUD merchants doing the rounds which is
fine and par for the course unfortunately, but when supposed
journalists start publishing FUD that really gets my goat. Let's take
the open letter to the community now. As Bryen and Pascal mention,
they have been approached by many both publicly and privately about
what the layoffs mean for openSUSE as a project and distro. They have
thought hard about the best way to answer people's questions and
concerns, and I must admit I whole heartedly agree with their approach
to making a public statement that is there for all to see. Let's not
forget these two fine gents have no access to the inner workings and
thoughts of Novell so they don't necessarily know the whole rationale
behind Novell's decision (hoping there is one ;) ) but they do have a
modicum of access and especially when it comes to openSUSE related
items. This letter was not sent out as a pre-emptive strike to quash
any questions, it was <u>in response to community members
questions</u> and as such I feel it was 100% warranted. Some hacks
(it much better represents the faux journalists, and their tabloid
nature in reporting) feel that this announcement proves to the world
that the openSUSE project is in trouble - bollocks!!
These hacks also try and label Pascal and Bryen as insensitive for
asking those that have unfortunately been bitten by the bullet to keep
up their fine efforts within the community. Novell do *NOT* run
openSUSE /we/ the community run the project, Novell run the enterprise
derivative. Some of those that have been laid off have been with
openSUSE for over nine years, if not longer, so it is perfectly
reasonable to ask those with the knowledge to keep the knowledge pool
alive and kicking. Some of those wouldn't think of doing anything
other than continuing with contributing to openSUSE. No it isn't
insensitive in the slightest, it shows that the Board and the
community acknowledge their contributions and that they are still very
much thought of as part of the community, even more so now that they
are not paid to be part of it. Yes there are one or two (hopefully
not more) that believe the layoffs mean they should cut all direct
ties off and we as a community understand that, we are sorry to see
these members leave but we will continue forging ahead. Hopefully
they will return and continue in the fun.
If any of you hacks want to write a story, drop the sensationalism
from it, it detracts from what it is that is being said. openSUSE is
rock solid with a strong and vibrant community, and one thing that I
think our community is best at is acknowledging our faults and wanting
to improve and make us a better distro and project. There is no
fanboy blindness about us, we are honest and open. Heck we even tip
hats to those projects that we think "damn why didn't we think of
doing something like that". Dear hacks, if you would like to speak to
the Board for clarification or to discuss or report on anything, then
drop them an e-mail[1] they don't bite and they don't bullshit.
Oh and dear hacks, for the love of all that is holy and righteous stop
fucking misspelling our name. It is spelt, and I'll do it really slow
for you, o p e n S U S E; *NOT* OpenSUSE or any other derivative!!!!!
If there is one thing that really makes us want to go and chew on some
Wookie ass crack it's the misspelling of our name - yes your spell
checker is wrong at times ;-)
[0] - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-02/msg00079.html
[1] - board(a)opensuse.org
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I don't think a list of names would be suitable, or even possible due to legal constraints. What would have been beneficial would have been some form of announcement possibly via the Board saying that there are job cuts and these will affect some of the Novell staff with a direct involvement in the prpject. Obviously once the affected staff have been advised. This is the first (and hopefully last) occurance of this and as such mistakes are inevitable.
We need to take a leaf out of other big projects and be more engaging with the press/media. This will not be easy, but can and will happen.
I am not defending Novell's mistakes, but I am defending openSUSE; and as Novell are part of the community they get some defence. They are like a child going through toilet training, there are accidents but with percerverence they manage to do it on their own. The crucial part is it takes leadership by example - do as we do not as we say.
Regards,
Andy
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From: Martin Schlander
Sent: 24/02/2009 00:00:26
Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] Open Support
Mandag 23 februar 2009 20:32:11 skrev Gerald Pfeifer:
> I am sure you understand that with the exception of the CEO and similarily
> ranked officers no company will provide lists or other details of people
> leaving, be it voluntary or otherwise. Not the least since this would run
> afoul of data protection regulations.
I don't understand how anybody can claim to want to build a community, and
then be completely silent, when major events affecting the community greatly
like these firings occur.
I don't remember seing any official communication about this whatsoever,
except some executive level bullshit in the press - but nothing at all
addressing the concerns of the openSUSE community.
A list of names would probably also be against the interests of the directly
affected peopIe, but I'm pretty sure it would have been possible for someone
to release some information to the openSUSE community explaining what goes on,
why, how it affects (different parts of) openSUSE short and long term etc.,
without Novell getting in too much legal trouble because of it.
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The following is a joint statement from openSUSE Board Members Pascal
Bleser and Bryen Yunashko.
----------------------
As you may know, recently Novell made the decision to reduce the
workforce in their organization in the wake of our current economic
outlook which is affecting everyone globally in all sectors of life.
Unfortunately, this has also impacted some members of the openSUSE
Community who were employed by Novell when, earlier this week, they were
laid off.
We hear about layoffs every day now. Most of us have been hit by
layoffs in recent times, if not personally, then friends and family.
The sadness we feel for our fellow community members is just as strong
and our hearts go out to them in this time.
Some people have approached us publicly and privately and asked us what
this means for the future of openSUSE. In fact, openSUSE is a community
project driven both by Novell and the Community at large. Within this
project, we make no distinction between Novell and non-Novell employees.
As such, those laid off are still important and vital members of our
Project, and we look forward to the opportunity to continue working with
them as fellow members for the good of our community, our distribution
and for Free and Opensource software at large.
Our observations over the past week convince us that Novell is still
committed to the openSUSE Project. It is also our observation that the
community as a whole remains active, vibrant and motivated. Our
colleagues employed by Novell have assured us that while there is some
frustrations and disappointment, they and the company are still as
committed as ever to the openSUSE Project.
As we have mentioned, these are difficult times for everyone and hard
decisions have been made by Novell. While we cannot speak for Novell
and the reasons behind its decisions, we do take offense to those
outside our community who have decided to exploit the hardship of our
fellow community members in these trying economic times for their own
personal gain in their misguided rants against the Project and
misinterpreted portrayals to the general public.
We'd like to wish our friends good luck with their respective careers,
hoping they will soon find another job, and also hoping that their
contributions, their expertise and their commitment for the openSUSE
Project will sustain not just for the sake of it, but also and foremost,
because they're our friends.
Pascal Bleser
openSUSE Board Member
Bryen Yunashko
openSUSE Board Member
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An announcement about what? Novell had announced earlier this year about their intentions of lay offs, granted they didnt specify whcich exact depts would be affected.
Several of those that were on the receiving end of the lay offs have publicly announced what has happened on their blogs - Planet SUSE is a great place to hear/see information.
Regards,
Andy
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From: jdd
Sent: 20/02/2009 07:42:19
Subject: Re: [opensuse-project] Open Letter to the openSUSE Community
Bryen a écrit :
> The following is a joint statement from openSUSE Board Members Pascal
> Bleser and Bryen Yunashko.
>
> ----------------------
>
> As you may know, recently Novell made the decision to reduce the
> workforce in their organization in the wake of our current economic
I can understand this, but why without announcement?
jdd
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Hi
This is my last posting as a SuSE employee, everything upcoming is a private
post. I guess you saw some blogs or read some tickers from other
colleagues … Well, after 9,2 years i will finally leave the company
(no, not voluntary …). It’s not really easy, especially because of all
the friends i met at the company or events over the years. But life is
not over ...
Sorry that i can’t take care of the ambassador program anymore, sorry that we
skipped the announcement/meeting on Wednesday but i guess you know now why.
Delete my email mlasars(a)suse.de. If you need anything from
Novell/SUSE, please use:
marketing(a)opensuse.org
Thanks everybody, it was really a pleasure to work with you, keep the spirit
up, we might meet again in the future. I was involved in openSUSE from day
1, and i still think it’s a great project which was for sure more than a job
for me. Even it sounds stupid (because it was a hell of work for many
people), it was very good to end my SuSE days at FOSDEM, the best
event ever!
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
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Hi!
As we now have openFate, it is finally much clearer what will end up in the
next release. However, Fate lacks one part of the information - how is a
feature implemented.
I believe the best way to provide this information is using openSUSE wiki. But
I did not find any structure in Wiki where it would fit.
Did I overlook something or should we create e.g.
en.opensuse.org/Features/... and link features from openFate to these pages?
Any other suggestion?
Stano
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