Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:37:56 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
>>> But if there's no meaning to agreeing to those principles, then why
>>> have them?
>> To indicate intent and direction.
> I agree this discussion is overall for another time and place.
> But as food for thought for when that conversation does take place,
> consider that if someone isn't following that guidance, they're
> probably not (in some way) following that intent/direction, which
> would seem to me to be problematic.
There is room for quite a bit of debate here - take the topic that
started this, the expulsion of an openSUSE member for violating the
_guiding_ principles. That in itself is very problematic.
Wrt time and place, now is as good as any and this list is quite
appropriate, albeit in a new thread.
Let me start with saying that I think the guiding principles are fine
and I don't think they need changing.
However, IMHO, they are not formulated in a way that makes it possible
to expel someone for not following them. They are worded in terms
of "We are ..., we want to ... , we value ...". That's perfectly fine
for a set of "guiding principles", but doesn't even come close to e.g.
a code of conduct.
There is no need to discuss the current "case" any further, but I think
we need to ask ourselves this -
are the guiding principles really good/clear enough to form the base of
someone being expelled? To me, they're guidance only and nowhere near
clear enough to form the base of any kind of punitive action.
Per Jessen, Zürich (-3.7°C)
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