December 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] talk at or visit Linux Open Administration Days
by Jos Poortvliet 12 Apr '12

12 Apr '12

Hi all, April 16-17 in Antwerp, Belgium, the Linux Open Administration Days will take place. This free event offers a chance for LPI certification as well as meeting and talking to linux sysadmins. There is a call for presentations here: http://www.loadays.org/content/call-presentations If you want to go and give a talk there about openSUSE tech - that's be awesome. If you can't afford to go there due to travel or hotel costs, let me know, we might be able to work something out ;-) cheers, Jos

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-project] stupid 12.1
by Albert 18 Jan '12

18 Jan '12

Let's pay attention to other daily people comments from https://features.opensuse.org/312946 > "It is like Gnome Desktop Environment developers are now working against Linux... > Pure Gnome3 is just a BIG & major regress on Linux desktop, it makes Linux desktop productivity more difficult and bring useless features. Even the bars are frozen, you cannot interact, neither visual customize or configure anything. > The only Linux Mint & Mate bring some hope... I have installed open SUSE just because Linux Mint 12 have some installation bugs on HP d530 desktop, if no Mate repo I will leave open SUSE." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RFC - opensuse steering committee ?
by Per Jessen 16 Jan '12

16 Jan '12

Apologies for the continued abuse of a much abused acronym, but a recent long-winded debate on opensuse-factory made me think that perhaps the opensuse project could do with a steering committee? I have not thought much about it, I would appreciate any and all opinions. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Taking care of #opensuse-es
by Javier Llorente 11 Jan '12

11 Jan '12

Hello everyone! Unfortunately, nobody has been taking care of the #opensuse-es IRC channel in Freenode for a long time. Ask ChanServ for info ;-) I propose giving the appropriate OP rights to an openSUSE channel maintainer in general (perhaps darix?) so that this kind of situation doesn't happen again, plus three or four long time contributors/active #opensuse-es users, such as: karlggest (long time contributor, he isn't always online, already forum moderator) SkavenXXI (long time contributor, always online in #opensuse-es) davmont (long time contributor, already forum moderator) javier (me, long time contributor, always online in #opensuse-es) Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

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[opensuse-project] Signing repos
by Administrator 07 Jan '12

07 Jan '12

Hi openSUSE people, I'm not an openSUSE member (I don't do software development any more) but would like to get fixed a serious security flaw: there is no way to check the validity of a repository / build signing key. [You are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong - I'd love to know how to check this] I would suggest that, as a minimum, signing / build keys for main repos associated with openSUSE are signed by a main openSUSE key after (in some fashion) the requester's identity is verified. We can then (individually) decide to trust that signing process (and hence the signatures) or not. There would have to be a clear statement of both the identity verification process and also the full extent of the assurance this signature gives. I would suggest there should also be some kind of quality threshold (e.g. bug fix statistics) as well as a method to revoke the key / signature. Or, does one of the openSUSE security experts have a better simple suggestion? What would I need to do to effect this change? Any advice or comment is very welcome, Yours David Hodgson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-gnome] Re: [opensuse-project] stupid 12.1
by Albert 02 Jan '12

02 Jan '12

>>>> 2. When I switch to gnome2-like environment, I am getting very angry. >>>> How can SUSE become as stupid as Ubuntu? The gnome2-like environment is >>>> almost the same as Ubuntu..... The menu, the task bar color and so on. >>>> Why can't SUSE keep its own uniques? The SUSE menu in 10.0 till 11.4 is >>>> quit nice and creative. Why did this 12.1 switch to stupid Ubuntu like >>>> style? >>> This has nothing to do with Ubuntu: the default look and feel of the >>> fallback mode has been created so that it is close to GNOME Shell. >>> >>> We discussed if, for openSUSE, we wanted to keep that upstream decision, >>> or choose to offer something closer to what we had before. And because >>> we want to encourage people to use GNOME Shell, we decided to keep >>> things this way. > > Why do you encourage people to use GNOME SHELL? Is it more convenient or more beautiful to use it? At present, I found no reasons to switch to it. It is far behind GNOME2.X. As a Linux user and a professional design purpose user, I care more about the STABILITY and friendly interface. To me, the GNOME SHELL is much more suitable for tablet and entertainment, but not for ordinary daily work such as: office or computational work. >> >> > > >>>> 3. What's worse. The workspace switcher in gnome2-like environment is >>>> the same as 10.0 version: when we use "only show current workspace", it >>>> can only show ONE workspace, and others are all gone...... >>> I just started the livecd to check, and things are fine here. Can you >>> open the preferences of the workspace switcher, and tell us if you see >>> this because there's only one workspace, or because the "only show >>> current workspace" setting is set? Is this on a brand new install, on >>> first login? > > I update 12.1 to the latest version by command: zypper update after installation. And the problem is always there. >> >> >> > > >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Vincent >>> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: RFC - opensuse steering committee ?
by Kim Leyendecker 31 Dec '11

31 Dec '11

Sorry, my Mail was just sent to jdd, damn k9 Mail again.... Kim Leyendecker <leyendecker(a)opensuse.org> schrieb: > > > > >jdd <jdd(a)dodin.org> wrote: > >>Le 30/12/2011 23:52, Greg Freemyer a écrit : >> >>> On the technical side, vetos definitely exist, and they exist now. >>> >>> The Release Manager (Coolo) ultimately decides what goes into >>> openSUSE. ie. The Release Manager has veto power. >> >>I challenge this. yet Coolo have some power on paid suse people. >> >>> >>> eg. If I decided I wanted to submit a patch to change grub to grub2, >>> it has to be accepted. And in the current setup that basically >means >>> Coolo has to accept it. (or veto it). >> >>if you where the only maintainer of grub and decided to stop it, I >>don't see what coolo could do. >> >>> >>> I have no issue with that reality. Coolo does a great job from what >>I >>> can tell. But to claim he doesn't have that power is to be blind to >>> reality. >> >>your overestimate his power. I'm pretty sure one of his higher quality > >>is diplomacy :-). I'm very admirative about him :-! Of course His >>advice have weight. >> > >Yes, he's a great diplomate, but a sc is also important when there >occurs a "fight" between progressives and clnservatives. These >discussions are often very offending and sometimes more subjective then >anything other. Here a sc has to intervene and negioate as a fair >Balance between both parties > >I guess that's the reason why per (and also i) wants to have such a sc. > > > >>> I see this a maturing of the community. For now I am very happy >with >>> the way things work, but what if one of the other sponsors wanted to >>> have more say so at the steering committee level. How would that be >>> addressed? >> >>hiring developpers. Even users can do that if they are enough >> >>The release manager have power when he have a real choice, yes, and >>it's important. But real choice is not that often in the opensource >>world >> >>jdd >> >> >>-- >>http://www.dodin.net >>-- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >>To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > >-- >Kim Leyendecker >sent from smartphone >sorry for my briefity -- Kim Leyendecker sent from smartphone sorry for my briefity -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE in 2011
by Kim Leyendecker 30 Dec '11

30 Dec '11

Howdy all, Since major TV stations are broadcasting there crappy annual reviews, we might should also release one. 2011 was a great year for openSUSE! Two totally awesome releases, a new owner, osc11, 20 years of Linux, first distro to ship LibreOffice many new ambassadors and contributors etc. *How it should look like?* I actually think about an article on news.o.o, I don´t know how far our schedule is rebuild, since ietherpad crashed down and lost all data. So, the annual review might would have the whole road. *What the community have to do?* Well, speak up and give your comments. The more voices, the better! The best way is to create a wiki page where everyone can put down her or his opinion of the last year from an openSUSE point of view. *When should it be published?* I would suggest to do it still in 2011. So, we have to do it quickly. happy holidays, -- Kim Leyendecker, openSUSE Wiki Team GPG Key: 664265369547B825 | leyendecker(a)opensuse.org http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: openSUSE currently has a 3-tier system officially
by Per Jessen 29 Dec '11

29 Dec '11

Greg Freemyer wrote: > openSUSE currently has a 3-tier system officially; > > Board > members > users > > Unofficially it has: > > project management (Coolo, etc.) > developers > other contributors > non-contributors > > The board seems to stay out of technical decisions, and the members > only vote on the very occasional item. (ie. The members voted on the > overall strategy recently.) I have recently begun to think this is was only a clever ploy to occupy the project members with something largely inconsequential. Those of us who occupied ourselves with debating/proposing/refining the strategy neglected to consider the one key thing - to implement a strategy one needs ownership and leadership, something we do not have. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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