Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt
As such, maintaining 447  openSUSE members should not depend on a
single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known
security issues since years.
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote:
> This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage,
> but in the hope that this time I get an answer;
> Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive
> forward a solution?
I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure
what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the
functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are
allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support
An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail
address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an
eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but
probably there are better tools.
What did I miss?
I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon
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Under "by a vote of the membership where 2/3 or more of the openSUSE
members participating in the vote approve it. " I would like to propose
an amendment to the Board Election rules (Note I rather then the board).
I believe that the events in the last year have shown a weakness in at
least one part of the rules. With the upcoming regular election I
believe this is as good a time as any to address this change.
The specific section I would like to modify is the following, I know
others have spoken about making changes to some larger sections at some
point but I believe this change is small and manageable in the current
timeframe so I'd like to keep the discussions in this thread around this
topic which is:
If 20 per cent or more of the openSUSE members require a new board,
an election will be held for the complete elected Board seats.
I believe that this is a very worth while concept, however the current
phrasing has left enough ambiguity that in practice it was hard to
organise cleanly. My personal view is that the people who authored this
text expected that should this ever be needed that some form of basic
petition or even just +1's to a mailing list thread would be done.
In practice it was decided that this would be too hard to verify and had
some privacy concerns and as such the election officials decided to
utilize our voting system which was a reasonable way to handle the
situation under the current wording. However it now leaves us in a
position where one or two people can call for such a vote that will
cripple the project for several weeks. I don't believe this was the
intent of the original wording as such I am proposing an alternative,
this is still in draft form so I am happy to hear other peoples
amendments and suggestions.
10 individual members may contact the election officials requesting
a petition of non confidence in the board. If 20 per cent or more
openSUSE members require a new board, an election will be held for
the complete elected Board seats.
The 10 is a number that I felt is reasonable i'd be open to going
slightly up and down, its a bit of a balance if 20% of members are
interested getting 10 to contact the election officials should be easy.
At the same time it should be reasonably easy for election officials to
verify 10 members by checking the membership list and sending an email
to there registered email address asking for confirmation they sent the
There was also some questions around the 20% rather then a 50% majority,
My view is to leave this as is, if 20% of people call for a forced
election it means there is quite some disagreement in the community,
however the current board can run in the election so a different 50% of
the community could still reinstate them.
My aim is to have a finalized version ready on the 8th of December (A
week before voting starts) i'd welcome anyone and everyone's feedback
anytime before then.
Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net
Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek
SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30
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We seem to have a problem on the openSUSE mailing list of shaming
people and assuming ill intent. This is exemplified by the following
On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 11:35 PM Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Vojtěch Zeisek composed on 2020-11-27 10:20 (UTC+0100):
> > Bottom-posting is the standard here. Let's keep it so.
> > A: Yes.
> >> Q: Are you sure?
> >> > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
> >> > > Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
The problem with this is threefold:
1. You are deliberately shaming someone publicly
2. You are piling on the shame by reinforcing it
3. You are assuming that people cannot learn any other way (or ill intent)
None of this is actually *helpful*. And I would wager to say that the
majority of folks just flat out don't really care if it's top posted
or bottom posted. I personally don't. My email client collapses the
quotes the same regardless.
I realize that to some extent, I'm doing this too by posting this
message. But I have been seeing this to various degrees for *years*
and it's not only unhelpful, it literally scares people away from our
community. And I cannot stomach it anymore.
The openSUSE community is intended to be a welcoming place that allows
a variety of people from all over the world to work together to make
great things. And our Netiquette (which is now linked at the bottom of
*every single email from the list*) declares this kind of behavior as
It does occur to me that a large majority of the people on all
openSUSE lists do not know we have rules for the mailing lists. This
is why Stasiek and I decided that they would be added to the footer of
all emails that travel through the list server.
I would like to reiterate that there are much kinder ways of helping
people change their behaviors, and that you should always attempt to
privately help the person who may be inadvertently doing the wrong
thing. Shaming them publicly is a great way to scare people away and
even potentially make existing folks leave.
Please reconsider the next time you think about doing it. And consider
how *you* would feel if someone did it to you.
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
I've been reading up on the Foundation proposal and i wonder what is the current status?
I see a few outstanding issues since August 2020:
1) Discussions with SUSE regarding trademarking;
2) Decision on the legal format of the Foundation;
3) Board is waiting on people to come forward to help in the transition and analysis of legal + financial challenges.
- Are these talks ongoing at the moment? (also who are having these talks?);
- Has a lawyer looked at it already?;
- Also what about paying an annual license to SUSE for the use of the openSUSE trademark while naming the Foundation "Geeko Foundation"? As why does the foundation need to be named after the distro's it's supporting? Why not keep it more general? I mean we have loads of different flavours of openSUSE with Leap, Tumblewed, Kubic, MicroOS, etc. Maybe in the future even other distro's will come our way that doe not bear the name openSUSE <xxx>..
2) Legal Format
- I see 3 options; Foundation or e.V. if going with German Law, or a different countries type of foundation (maybe a different EU country..);
- Has a Lawyer already drawn up the required documents?
3) Transition team
- have some people stepped forward?;
- is there already a working group who is having regular meetings with minutes and action-points?
Also i would like to step forward to help in the transition team on the financial side.
I'm a financial controller with a MSc in Accountancy and I've worked in international environments and with not-for-profit organisations in the past (including helping in setting up a German gGmbH).
On a last note I'd like to point out that I'm in favor of having a separate foundation for the project, where the financial and legal side of the project resides. Mainly for donations, sponsorships and the ability to make decisions in the best interest of the community without feeling that we need to listen to one particular group extra. Which does not mean that the two groups can't be mutually beneficent for each other.
Dear openSUSE members,
We have reached the end of the Phase 0, the nomination phase of the 2020
openSUSE Board Election.
*Nominations are now closed.*
Today we start Phase 1, the campaign phase. A list of candidates will be
posted here shortly.
Please refer to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election for details.
The Election Committee: election-officials(a)opensuse.org
Based upon title it seems it should have at least a pointer to whose intent to run
has been accepted by the committee, but if it's there, it's well disguised. What
do we have so far, 8 people running for 3 positions? 10? I lost count of mailing
list intent announcements.
Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion,
is based on faith, not on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
It is with despair that I ask that you cancel my membership in
openSUSE. The constant bickering on the mailing lists is by far
outweighing any constructive growth/change in the project, and in light
of everything else going on in the world, I just don't have the
headspace for all that negative, unproductive noise.
I'm cc'ing the project overall; please let this serve as a lesson that
if one thinks they can bicker their way to the end result they want,
they may find they arrive there alone.
Technical Architect, Public Cloud
Dear openSUSE members,
openSUSE Board Election 2020 
It's time to elect new Board members to fill empty seats on the
openSUSE Board. This is a regular election as defined in our
Election Rules  so the elected board members will serve till the
end of 2022.
There are three seats for election in accordance with our normal
election cycle. Stasiek is opting not to continue for the next full
year due to a change in his personal circumstances.
The election schedule is as follows:
## Phase 0
15 November 2020
- Announcement of the openSUSE Board Election 2020
- Call for Nominations and Applications for Board candidacy
29 November 2020
- Nominations and Applications for Board candidacy close
## Phase 1
30 November 2020
- Announcement of the final list of candidates
- Campaign begins
- Membership drive continues, opportunity to apply for openSUSE
Membership, but members will only be eligible to vote and not run
as a candidate
## Phase 2
15 December 2020
- Ballots open: Please cast your vote during this time
- Campaign continues
30 December 2020
- Ballots close
31 December 2020
- Announcement of results
To stand for a position in the openSUSE Board please send an email to:
* opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org and
If a member would like to nominate another member, please inform the
Election Committee and the officials will contact the nominee to ask
whether they would like to run as a Board candidate.
Only openSUSE members are eligible to run for openSUSE Board openings in
accordance with the Eligibility and Validity section of our Election
The Election Committee  are hereby calling for Nominations &
Applications for the openSUSE Board.
 Members: Ish Sookun, Edwin Zakaria and Ariez Vachha.
The Election Committee election-officials(a)opensuse.org
on the front-page of our Wiki we have a list of projects under openSUSE
umbrella, I wonder if we should add https://www.uyuni-project.org/ to the
list, it is currently missing there? It is an upstream project for SUSE
Manager and works with openSUSE products also, while the biggest
contributor is again SUSE just like it is the case of openSUSE...
Best regards / S pozdravem,
BSc. Mark Stopka, BBA
Managing Partner (at) PERLUR Group
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