On 2011-05-09 09:30:16 (+0200), Adrian Schröter <adrian(a)suse.de> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 5. Mai 2011, 01:59:14 schrieb Pascal
On 2011-05-03 07:00:14 (-0400), Greg Freemyer
Apologies for the top post.
Is there a company/sponsor that if we sent them the money would agree
to buy SSDs for the build farm?
I can imagine $8000 in SSDs having a major impact on the build farm.
And that in turn could draw in even more obs users/contributors.
Or sponsor a server for Packman ?
actually, I support this suggestion very much.
The same money may make a bigger difference there then on build.o.o.
Most probably, yes.
But the more I think of it...
The current situation is as follows:
* we have one server of our own, which has been kindly donated
by Lejo's (Leo Eraly) employer, The Network Factory, a belgian
company that sells consultancy and solutions based on Novell,
SLE and openSUSE (and who said that the work of the Packman
team did help them in quite a few offerings);
* the bandwidth for that server is sponsored by Benesol, a
belgian hosting company where I had a contact some years ago but
not today any more, which means that the current sponsoring
contract still holds, but I doubt I could request more servers
to be hosted for free there in the future;
* Marc Schiffbauer (who isn't even an openSUSE user ;)) sponsors
most of the infrastructure (the website, the database server,
the main FTP/rsync server) and finances part or most of that
through the Google Ads on the Packman website (on a side note,
huge kudos to Marc without whom none of this would exist).
We also have a few more medium sized servers as build hosts,
thanks to two people who might prefer to remain unknown (if not,
please speak up, you deserve the kudos too :)) but whom we
trust, including the bandwidth.
So for what we do build and maintain right now, we're pretty
fine, stuff builds quickly.
But if the community also wants us to support more packages
(than what we have in Essentials) for e.g. Factory, SLE11,
Tumbleweed or Evergreen_*, then we would most probably need a
bit more hardware.
That being said, the major limiting factor right now is
*CONTRIBUTORS*. As in "people".
Detlef (Reichelt) and I are doing ~90% of the work and there are
quite a lot of really nasty packages in there (the gstreamer
stack just to name one of them). We're not alone, there are a
few more warriors on the team, but we're all at the maximum
capacity of what our free time permits (and way beyond actually,
at the very least for Detlef and I).
Right now, we have 714 (OBS) packages to maintain, and we
haven't even migrated everything from our old repository.
Tthe 11.4 repository now amounts to 5.6 GB, although that
includes 32bit + 64bit, as well as debug and source packages +
the repository metadata).
So, if (preferrably at least somewhat experienced) packagers
want to join the effort and help us, please please join the
club. A few have done so already, but are maintaining only a few
packages, which means we need a lot more people aboard.
We're using an OBS instance, which means that if you're already
used to working with build.opensuse.org
, it's exactly the same
opensu.se, a host a few of us have been paying many
bucks for out of our own pocket since a few years ?
(hosts the community wiki, will host webpin2, hosts
Hm, is there any reason why can't move webpin2 and planet.opensuse.org
system ? I mean would that help you financial wise ?
The reason for webpin2 to be hosted there (once it's finished)
is that it will also index packages from Packman. And as the
German law regarding linking to that sort of stuff is still a
bit unclear..... well, you know the story. Not sure it still
applies today or whether legal is still as frigid though.
Planet.o.o is there more for historical reasons. James used to
host it on his own but it started to use way too much bandwidth
for the contract he had, and darix and I provided him with a
quick solution to move somewhere else. As James didn't have
enough time to maintain it any more, I took over and migrated
our planet to another piece of (heavily patched) software in the
But, sure, planet.o.o could most probably be hosted on SUSE
infrastructure. At least from a legal perspective, I don't see
why it couldn't (but IANAL).
That being said, all in all, I would very much like to retain
some infrastructure options outside of SUSE.
Once we'll have a foundation and funds, we'll be able to have a
few such options without people having to pay it out of their
own pocket (as it is right now).
-o) Pascal Bleser
-- we haz green
-- we haz conf