Hi all,
April 16-17 in Antwerp, Belgium, the Linux Open Administration Days will
take place. This free event offers a chance for LPI certification as
well as meeting and talking to linux sysadmins. There is a call for
presentations here: http://www.loadays.org/content/call-presentations
If you want to go and give a talk there about openSUSE tech - that's be
awesome. If you can't afford to go there due to travel or hotel costs,
let me know, we might be able to work something out ;-)
cheers,
Jos
Anyone interessted to organise the openSUSE booth and bring green covers,
LiveCDs and all the fun?
I will present openSUSE colour management on a Oyranos booth and want to
measure devices.
kind regards
Kai-Uwe
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I am currently making arrangements to secure a booth for the Indiana
Linux Fest held in Indianapolis on April 13-15. If you are in the area
and would like to join in the openSUSE festivities, please let me know
so we can coordinate plans together. :-)
Also, Call for Papers is currently open until February 7th. If you'd
like to submit a talk, the link is:
http://www.indianalinux.org/cms/speaker_app
Look forward to meeting all of you there soon!
Bryen M Yunashko
openSUSE Project Marketing
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We are launching the Kickoff meeting to plan for the openSUSE Conference
following SUSECon. This conference will be held in Orlando, Florida
September 21-23.
Meeting Information:
#openSUSE-Project Freenode IRC Channel [1]
Wednesday - 1 February, 2012
18:00 UTC (1 p.m. Eastern/10 a.m. Pacific) [2]
Now what?:
Please visit the wiki page which outlines our agenda, tasks and open
questions. [3]
Who should attend the kickoff meeting?:
We strongly encourage people from US, Canada, Mexico and Central America
to participate in the planning. We also encourage people from other
parts of the world who may or may not attend but still have valuable 2
cents to contribute to the planning. :-)
See you on Wednesday!
Bryen M Yunashko
openSUSE Project
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[2] Local Time http://bit.ly/AoLcg6
[3] Wiki Page: http://en.opensuse.org/SUSECon_Planning
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Just my opinion - I think openSUSE should stay far away from politics of
any kind. It doesn't matter whether it might affect the project or
not. If we had seen a discussion of SOPA on opensuse-general
or -factory, it would have been fairly quickly relegated to
opensuse-offtopic.
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All,
During today's project meeting a discussion about openSUSE membership
started, see earlier posts to the list for meeting minutes.
While we have documented procedures
(http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members) on how to become a member, we
do not have any guidelines about what it means to be a member in good
standing. Additionally, the only way to get pruned from the list of
members is to repeatedly violate the guiding principals or actively
request removal.
I am suggesting that the conditions for loss of membership are not
sufficient. As briefly discussed in the meeting today we have about 500
or so members. Also in a recent meeting it was suggested that we have a
large contingent of non active members. This would then explain why we
end up with only 200 and some odd votes of 500 members for the board
elections.
As probably anyone who is a member of some club or association knows,
there is always some condition, often a fee, that assures continued
membership in said club or association. No I am NOT proposing a
membership fee for openSUSE. However, I am proposing that we come up
with a mechanism to prune our list of members and that there is no such
thing as a "free" (as in I don't contribute) life time membership.
I propose the following guideline:
"
On even years of membership anniversary (that would be year 2, 4, 6...)
a member gets an automated e-mail.
- If the e-mail bounces and there is no other means to contact the
person than the person is removed as a member.
- If the person does not respond within two weeks, another e-mail is
sent. If after 2 additional weeks no response is received the person is
removed as a member.
A response to the received e-mail should include a short list of areas
in the project where the member was active during the past two years.
This can be verified by the membership team. With the response and
verification membership continues.
"
I realize I am proposing more work for the membership committee, sorry.
However, I would hope that this is not too much of a burden. With maybe
300 or fewer active members there would be on average less than 1
verification e-mail per day sent. In addition this is spread out based
on anniversary date of membership, thus the additional verification
should be small.
Why would we as a project want to do this?
IMHO, it is important that our members are active and contribute to the
project. There is nothing gained for us as a project to accumulate a
large number of members when the members are not active in the project
and do not contribute. Having only members that are active also bestows
more meaning on board election results and other votes we might have in
the project. This goes back to my earlier comment and leads to a
question, what does it mean when the board gets elected with a vote
count that is less than 50% of the membership? (I am not implying that I
am dissatisfied with the board). No direct answer to this question
please. If we have only active project participants I would speculate
that we will get participation of 80% or more. Last but not least this
should create a perceived draw to become a member, as you can only be a
member and remain a member if you contribute to the project.
For the discussion, I'd like to ask that people stick to the topic and
not go off on some tangent ;)
I have added this as a topic to the next project meeting (Feb 8, 2012)
and will provide a summary of the discussion on the wiki. The board can
then make a decision on how to move forward on this proposal based on
the summary, and hopefully board members will be following this thread.
Later,
Robert
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Hi Andi,
I'm curious, what exactly is the intended goal of this initiative?
If it is about changing the default settings in an effort to improve usability, how do you intend to implement any changes which are identified as necessary by this initiative?
Doesn't this seem to be a little weird coming from the artwork team?
To me, default settings of a desktop environment is probably something better investigated and implemented by the various maintainers of openSUSE's different environments.
I really do not like the idea of KDE, GNOME, XFCE, LXDE, etc all sharing common defaults without very good reason and acceptance of all the teams involved.
We have different environments for a reason, they attract different users with different needs, we should embrace those differences.
I know in the GNOME team for example, we spend a lot of time discussing and collaboratively deciding on what we believe to be the best range of settings for our users, based on our own knowledge of the environment as well as user feedback.
An initiative like this seems to be treading on the toes of the work already done by our GNOME, KDE, and other DE maintainers.
Furthermore, some of the 'proposals' already on the wiki look like they're calling for some pretty major work (new notifications?), who do you foresee picking up and doing this sort of work? are we likely to be able to get such changes submitted upstream?
I don't mean to sound like I'm slamming this, I'm know you're trying to do something cool and help out, but I'm very confused how the art team is expecting to carry this initiative forward.. apologies for clearly not understanding the proposal when it was raised in our team meeting and now having to bring my confusion to the mailing lists
Richard
>>> andi robert 01/30/12 7:24 PM >>>
Hello my dear friends
The artwork team recently had a meeting in which a couple of ideas
were proposed. One of them is the Dream openSUSE Initiative. The idea
behind this proposal is to have a wider understanding of what a
desktop environment is for each of our users. All of us work with
openSUSE and many time we tweak and change our graphical environments
to fit our particular needs, we would like to know about these changes
that you have made to your graphical environment under openSUSE to
better determine what defaults work for our users. We are currently
gathering these screenshots here
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Dreamopensuse
The steps to be part of this investigative initiative are as follow
Set up your computer desktop they way you want it
Take a screeshot
Submit your screenshot at our wiki
Note: If your changes, settings or tweaks are not readily visible,
show us a screenshot of your settings managers or explain the settings
changes that you have made. This initiative is not about artwork as
much as it is about usability among our members. Therefore, when
submitting screenshots, make sure that your special usability settings
are also noticeable.
Note: The wiki page is not perfect, of you feel inclined to make
changes to it, please do so. :D
Andy (anditosan)
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For those at FOSDEM and interested in cross-distro things, see below.
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: distromatch and debtags at Fosdem
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2012, 16:13:09
From: Enrico Zini <enrico(a)enricozini.org>
To: distributions(a)lists.freedesktop.org
Hello,
I will be giving two talks in the cross-distribution room at Fosdem
which I would like to turn into actions. I'm posting here a summary of
my talks and what I wish would follow from them.
If you think the goal is worthwile / would like to take care of it,
please join the talks and help make it happen:
http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/distromatch
"I wrote Distromatch, shall we use it?"
Saturday, room H.1301, 18:15--19:00
I'd like to create a loosely coupled group, with at least one person
per distribution, with two goals:
1. keep distromatch (the python command line tool and the data
exports) working and accurate;
2. use it to improve one's own distribution by "stealing" data from
all the others.
http://fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/debtags_reloadedDebtags.debian.net reloaded!
Sunday, room H.1302, 10:00--11:00
I'd like to see other distributions adopt debtags. A starter dataset
can already be exported over distromatch.
If one wants to go further, the whole debtags.debian.net django app
should be easily re-themable and deployable for other non-debian
distributions: I can show how.
Ciao,
Enrico
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Hello my dear friends
The artwork team recently had a meeting in which a couple of ideas
were proposed. One of them is the Dream openSUSE Initiative. The idea
behind this proposal is to have a wider understanding of what a
desktop environment is for each of our users. All of us work with
openSUSE and many time we tweak and change our graphical environments
to fit our particular needs, we would like to know about these changes
that you have made to your graphical environment under openSUSE to
better determine what defaults work for our users. We are currently
gathering these screenshots here
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Dreamopensuse
The steps to be part of this investigative initiative are as follow
Set up your computer desktop they way you want it
Take a screeshot
Submit your screenshot at our wiki
Note: If your changes, settings or tweaks are not readily visible,
show us a screenshot of your settings managers or explain the settings
changes that you have made. This initiative is not about artwork as
much as it is about usability among our members. Therefore, when
submitting screenshots, make sure that your special usability settings
are also noticeable.
Note: The wiki page is not perfect, of you feel inclined to make
changes to it, please do so. :D
Andy (anditosan)
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> Guys,
I am currently work with Jonthan from NELF, we have a table it is free
for us. I am wanting to know because I can't find it, what is the
e-mail to ask for DVD's?
Thanks,
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