openSUSE Project May 2023

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Codices of Conduct: A fundamental critique
by Wouter Onebekend 29 May '23

29 May '23

Hello, We've recently had a bit of a tussle on the Factory list over LGBT flags, on the OpenSUSE subreddit to put it mildly. In that tussle, the code of conduct was used as a very blunt instrument in a bid to silence people who disagreed with flying such flags and/or forcing people to fly flags in general. I'd like to share a few observations about codices of conduct in general and the OpenSUSE one in particular (point 6 does not apply to it) that allow the very abuse we have seen: 1) The definitions of good and bad behavior are vague allowing for a lot of executive discretion in constructing actions or utterances as violations. 2) Enforcement is intransparent and arbitrary. There's a moderation team with "processes in place". Processes that are not even public! Determining and sanctioning violations is at the sole discretion of the executive (moderation team and openSUSE board - I'm not sure if these two are even separate/overlap free). 3) There is no appeal to an independent authority. The executive is judge, jury, executioner and authority for appeals. 4) It is insanely broad in scope: "openSUSE reserves the right to take actions against behaviors that happen in any context, if they are deemed to be relevant to the openSUSE project and its participants.". Yes, you can totally be Brendan Eiched for donating to the wrong political party under that rule. 5) Snitching is confidential and there are no codified repercussions to wrongly accusing or smearing somebody that way. 6) [This is not the case in the OpenSUSE code of conduct]: there usually is a err-on-the-side-of-caution clause that mandates removing people deemed in violation even while their guilt or innocence is still being determined. That is a reversal of the legal convention "innocent until proven guilty" democratic states have been operating on since Roman times. In summary I think codices of conduct are a horrible idea and should be done away with. They are regularly abused to force people to agree with or at least never speak out against the political ideology termed 'woke'. They create a climate of fear and division that simply has not existed before. Everyone is on constant notice, and has to weigh their words very carefully. Except for the ideologue themselves. They can abuse and denigrate everyone who speaks up against their ideology at will and will face zero repercussions for it. Regards, An Anonymous Techie

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moderation? Really?
by L A Walsh 29 May '23

29 May '23

On 2023/05/27 09:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > Hello all, > > Due to the recent continuous inappropriate behavior on the factory@ > mailing list... > You are letting a single thread result in a some level of a DoS (Denial of Service). Do people have such poor email-fu that they can't just ignore a thread/subject if they so wish? When reading this group in thunderbird, (which is already filtered down to the specific folders for the 'project' or ''factory' list, one thread only shows up as 1 line unless I expand it, otherwise, if I don't have time or interest, I can just skip that topic. It really isn't so difficult that a moderator should have to waste their time. It's sad that such a topic causes such high emotions -- on both sides! I suppose polarization is a sign of the times where "spaces" cater to their denizens and only show them topics which will keep them from leaving and keep them coming back. The off-topic topic didn't bother me, so much, but I'm capable of filtering (usually) to my heart's content. It some vocal group doesn't know how to do their own filtering. *sigh*. P.S. FWIW, if things got real nasty, I likely missed it, as I was no longer really following that thread... Cheers! -linda

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Repository 'Aktualisierungen für openSUSE 15.4 15.4-0 oss' metadata expired since 2023-05-27 12:03:47 CEST
by Martin Schröder 28 May '23

28 May '23

Warning: Repository 'Aktualisierungen für openSUSE 15.4 15.4-0 oss' metadata expired since 2023-05-27 12:03:47 CEST. Warning: Repository metadata expired: Check if 'autorefresh' is turned on (zypper lr), otherwise manualy refresh the repository (zypper ref). If this does not solve the issue, it could be that you are using a broken mirror or the server has actually discontinued to support the repository. 22 | repo-oss | openSUSE-15.4-Oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | https://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/15.4/repo/oss/ Best Martin

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Re: the cover of the r/opensuse subreddit be changed!
by Wouter Onebekend 28 May '23

28 May '23

Hello, On Sunday, May 28th, 2023 at 11:46 AM, Wouter Onebekend <wouter.onebekend(a)proton.me> wrote: > On Sunday, May 28th, 2023 at 9:50 AM, Carlos E.R. robin.listas(a)gmx.es wrote: [...] > > I believe the correct mail list is the Project mail list > > (project(a)lists.opensuse.org), as it is about policy, governance, > > behaviour of the community, etc. > > Thank you for being so insistent in pointing this out. And I believe you are right. The offtopic list is going to keep the discussion nicely out of sight and out of mind since there is no public archive of it. And I'd prefer if the jackbooted thugs forcing wokeness down our collective throats with threats and insults did that out in public for everyone, including the public to see. Now this is a noble ideal, but I fear the Powers that Be do not want to see the overall direction of the project discussed. Your message to project(a)lists.opensuse.org awaits moderator approval Guess the people and views the inclusive crowd wishes to exclude are going to have to remain confined to the offtopic list. Regards, An Anonymous Techie

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List under moderation
by Simon Lees 28 May '23

28 May '23

Hi All, Due to recent discussions from the factory mailing list moving to this list we have preemptively decided to put all incoming emails to this list under moderation. To be clear discussions related to the code of conduct are on topic for this list and will be allowed as long as they are not clearly violating the code of conduct. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

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Re: the cover of the r/opensuse subreddit be changed!
by Robert Webb 28 May '23

28 May '23

[Being about openSUSE policy, this is on topic for the Project mail list.] [posted to project(a)lists.opensuse.org] On Sat, 27 May 2023 12:10:12 +0000, Wouter Onebekend via openSUSE Factory <factory(a)lists.opensuse.org> wrote: > Hello, > > On Saturday, May 27th, 2023 at 1:49 PM, Robert Webb via openSUSE Factory <factory(a)lists.opensuse.org> wrote: >> On Sat, 27 May 2023 11:05:24 +0000, Wouter Onebekend via openSUSE Factory factory(a)lists.opensuse.org wrote: >> > Not flying that flag is neutral. >> >> Demanding no flag is not neutral. >> >> > Flying it is an endorsement. >> >> Flying it indicates acceptance. Acceptance of a group's right to exist >> and participate equally with everyone else. > > > Flying it indicates driving out everyone who does not endorse and enthusiastically embrace the group in question and salute its flag. While not explicitly stated in the code of conduct, that is the case law the board members on this thread are currently busily trying to establish - with an iron fist and threats of banning people no less. > > I find that quite revolting and not inclusive at all. Somebody on this thread quoted Martin Niemoeller. Nowadays the first group they are coming for are the old white men - filthy conservative hate mongers and colonial oppressors, the whole lot of them! As the purity spiral tightens they will eventually come for you. And by that time there will be nobody like me left to speak up on your behalf. > > Given some of the statements made on this thread, they are in fact already coming for you. Why do you now defend the people you said should be ashamed for their behavior? You said it. That was about behavior, and this is about fairness and the meaning of symbols. I see showing the rainbow flag as similar to the display of green around Saint Patrick's Day. Letting that fly means acceptance, and it's important for a sense of fairness, to not be treated as a sub-class of people. > Regards, > An Anonymous Techie -- Robert Webb

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Leap 15.5 update
by Lubos Kocman 23 May '23

23 May '23

Hello openSUSE! I just received a heads up that SLES 15 SP5 has a confirmed GMC. So big congratulations to the SLES team. This implies that the Leap 15.5 build which is currently being cooked in OBS is our (first) Gold Master Candidate. So far everything suggests that we can keep up with the current https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap and have GA on June 7th. These are currently top issues under our radar https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Most_annoying_bugs_15.5 See you at the oSC2023! Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 22 May '23

22 May '23

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin time (CET = UTC+1) Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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Minutes of openSUSE Board meeting 2023-05-08 & 2023-04-24
by ddemaio openSUSE 17 May '23

17 May '23

Hi all, The openSUSE Board meeting minutes for 2023-05-08 & 2023-04-24 are below. v/r Doug = Board Meeting Monday 2023-05-08 13:00 CEST = * Present: Gertjan, Patrick, Doug, Gerald, Neal * Excused: Maurizio * Missed: * This week's report to be sent by: ddemaio * Guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin) == Sponsorship Request == === Fastly CDN === Have dimstar, dirk, foundation members look at it and work out a plan ==openSUSE Asia Summit 2023 == 2 Proposals: India: https://groups.google.com/g/opensuseasia-summit/c/t5SVxRVwJHI/m/HTA5YL1kAQA… & China: https://groups.google.com/g/opensuseasia-summit/c/qQY33UxwBTk == Membership Request == ddemaio, Neal discussed open requests Meeting closed at 13:40 CEST = Board Meeting Monday 2023-04-24 13:00 CEST = * Present: Doug, Gerald, Mau, Neal, Patrick * Excused: * Missed: Gertjan * This week's report to be sent by: Patrick * Guests: Bernhard Wiedemann == Logistics == * Minutes from 2023-03-27 meeting not published (Wiki,...)? ** Neal posted today: https://lists.opensuse.org/archives/list/project@lists.opensuse.org/message… * Brief minutes for 2023-04-10 meeting? ** Brief meeting with just Doug, Neal, and partially Gerald * AI: Doug will look into making our permissionless trademark rules more visible ** https://www.opensuse.org/ got a "Logo/Trademark" link now * Suggestion to raise (more ) decisions for a vote to properly document ** Any board member can/shall request a vote => yes 5:0 ** publish vote results == Topics oSC23 == * Have some numbers for oSC23 board presentation about usage * have Geeko foundation * SUSE increasingly involved in openSUSE (via ALP on OBS) * Leap 16 plan * growing user numbers on https://metrics.opensuse.org/ * AI: Doug to make slides for Neal (for board presention) == Sponsorships via Geeko Foundation == * funds from spreadshirt coming to Foundation * GSoC funds coming, too * upcoming CDN - fastly.com organized by Dirk to speed up download.o.o Meeting closed at 14:01 CEST

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Community Meetings: 20, 21 & 22
by ddemaio 16 May '23

16 May '23

Hi all, The next three weeks are packed with events. I know I will not be there until Week 22 or 23. Next week will be openSUSE Conference followed by the release of openSUSE Leap 15.5. Please consider translating the release announcement at https://en.opensuse.org/Release_announcement_15.5 Meeting 1 is scheduled for Tuesdays at 14:30 UTC (60 minutes) and Meeting 2, which is schedule for Thursdays at 19:00 UTC. If you come to the meeting and don't see anyone, consider visiting https://meet.opensuse.org/bar You can find meeting notes atvhttps://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting openSUSE can use some help with various projects. You can see a list of the items where project's need help at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/help v/r Doug

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