This mailing list is really not an appropriate place.
I am sorry for that. But I can not stand another no reason ban from the
same person. So I thought everyone should know how are the users of
#suse channel treated by [daemon]
I won't comment on whether the ban was fair or not
as I was not
watching the channel at the time. It does appear from a cursory glance
at the logs that you continued to ask the same question several times
after being given an answer and a link to read several times too, with
no indication you were listening to the answers.
That might be true ... but there is saying in Slovak language I try to
"Repeating is mother of knowledge"
and if only answer from [daemon] is ban when I ask again for more
specific help, then I just dont know ... [daemon] actually even did not
send me the link ... it was another user. And it was link to
... the howto I have got printed before me on my desktop. The
theme of "conversation" was different... nevermind.
> Official statement [daemon] gave to me - "I
don't like idiots who don't
> listen" or something like that. And that he's giving me some lesson... I
> think the reason and "my crime against rules" was that I asked for help
> maybe disagreed with [daemon], and I still disagree ...
> If disagreement and asking for help is a reason to ban user from channel, then
> this OP [daemon] is either frustrated that he will spend christmas alone and
> must compensate this on IRC or something, or he is some kind of comunist
> fighting against DEMOCRACY, or I don't know... But there is one thing I know
> for sure. Even if [daemon] is some "project VIP" this kind of man has
> to do as OP in #suse channel.
Even if you were correct and the ban was the result of
misunderstanding that is no reason to attack the person directly.
[daemon] has helped in the channel for years and also helped
Still, [daemon] started to insult me first - just check the log and see
the truth. I have learned much 'bout my first ban from [daemon] about
half year ago, so I did not started to insult this time, it was he who
started. Still ... nevermind. The point is, OP should not insult anyone
in the channel...
Maybe he is tired of noobie questions and so on... so maybe its time for
fresh blood in OPs lines ;)
I am not
talking just about myself and my "ban without meaning", but about his
continuous arogance, intolerance and rude behaviour againts linux newbies or
totally new people to linux-community.
That has not been my observation.
But I observing it . . . it's happening when some noob ask noobie
questions... and its a nigthmare when I see [daemon] is active on
I agree, and endeavour to be as polite and tolerant as
only ban when allowing someone to remain in the channel would reduce
the channel's effectiveness. In #suse we are actually far more
permissive than most channels, some policing must be done though, or
the trolls make the channel unusable.
good to read at least one "I agree" :) but I still dont see the reason
why kick/ban user when he is conversating on topic on the channel, which
is channels' purpose isn't it?
The ban was not for long, you can soon rejoin.
[daemon] has given up his time to help people and police the channel
for many years.
I'm also not sure what you mean by "officially demand". The #suse
channel is unofficial, [daemon] is one of the oldest channel members.
The question is: Do I want to rejoin after two "no reason ban
incidents?" or even better Would some "#suse channel first-timer" want
to rejoin after something this discouraging?
I am answering YES. Cause I try to oversee people like [daemon] all my
life, who fully enjoy the POWER they have, even if its small and
pointless power, and who respect no one lower than their level of
experiences and knowledge...
Nevertheless, I respect [daemon] for what hi did and still doing for
#suse, but disagreement is not disrespect.
Thank you very much for reply
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