Am Sonntag, 15. März 2020, 14:03:40 CET schrieb Neal Gompa:
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:45 AM Sarah Julia Kriesch
I would like speaking well about Richard and
having a frienship as
with everybody else in the community. But I am sorry so say that -
that is not possible with such flouts and aggro from the other
Having known all of you folks as long as I've been actively involved
in the openSUSE community this go-around (which is five years now!), I
have never known Richard to be anyone but a joyful, enthusiastic
supporter of the openSUSE community. It was Richard that introduced
me to other great members of the openSUSE community, including
Stasiek, and when we met in-person at Flock in 2018, we had a
fantastic conversation of project governance (I've been a member of
the Mageia Council for a couple of years now). While Richard can
easily bait people with the rest of them, he largely reserves that
for presentations, where he professes his love for openSUSE and its
That's his public face, and I know and agree that he has done quite some
good things for openSUSE. I also understand that your "outside view"
picture looks exactly like you describe it.
Sadly I have also seen some things that clearly don't fit into this
positive picture :-( Most of them were in private or in board meetings
(which also means I can't easily disclose them), therefore you'll have
to trust me that your picture is totally incomplete.
At least a few things went public - see for example the link in my non-
I also know that Sarah isn't the only person who (diplomatically spoken)
doesn't like Richard anymore.
I've extremely confused about the acrimony you
have with Richard,
especially even now as he isn't even a member of the Board or the
Chairman anymore. I also don't get what *any* of this matters with the
issues at hand, since again 1) Richard is not the Chairman nor on the
Board, and 2) you stepped down of your own volition and *then*
disclosed all this.
The strange thing is that a part of the reason why 2/3 of the board
forced Sarah to step down was a _two year old_ (and IMHO questionable)
warning. Since the board included this as part of the decision when
forcing Sarah to resign, it shouldn't be a surprise that some of this
history becomes part of the discussion now.
The best I can gather is that *you* have a
problem with the openSUSE community. And I don't think *that's* right
I know Sarah longer (and better) than you, and I'm *very sure* that she
doesn't have a problem with the openSUSE community. Quite the opposite.
She is doing her best, helps in some areas (maybe not the most visible
ones), and has suggested improvements to make our community life easier.
Yes, there is an obvious exception when it comes to a specific person,
but that's something that gets fueled by both sides - for example, it
was Richard who started the long and malicious discussion on Sarah's
board application, and it was also a (non-public) completely unfair
action by Richard that started all this 3 years ago.
I think a lot of people here don't understand the
nuances of project
governance that well. It's important to note that the openSUSE Board
*does nothing* most of the time.
Argh - did you really have to disclose this? ;-)
The Board's major purpose is to
arbitrate disputes and to handle sponsorships of the openSUSE Project,
including being the bridge between SUSE and openSUSE. If we as a
community want the openSUSE Board to do more things, then that's a
completely separate conversation. But as it stands, you are asking
for the Board to do things it does not have the ability to do.
Assuming you talk about supporting the infrastructure migration from
Provo to Nuremberg - there were several cases where the heroes _had to_
ask the board for support because requests to Provo were ignored for a
long time. It kind of became a standard workflow to request something in
Provo, send reminder mails for some weeks (without any response) and
finally ask the board to escalate it :-/
Sadly, "does not have the ability to do" is closer to the truth than I'd
like. As you've probably seen in my other mail, even for the board or
its (current and previous) chairman, it was really hard to get something
done in Provo - but at least it somehow, somewhen it worked after
twisting several arms. More than once, I asked if SUSE would pay a
flight to Provo so that I can visit the MF-IT guys and give them a live
demo of my safety boots and/or a CAT5 o Nine Tails .
Of course I can't speak for everybody in the heroes team, but I'm quite
sure that nobody who ever had to deal with MF-IT disagrees with Sarah's
statement that the board should support the heroes when it comes to
As Richard has said many times, openSUSE is a
"do-ocracy". It is
mostly self-organized and self-governing within individual groups that
wish to do governance. That has its pluses and minuses, but it has
enabled folks like myself and Stasiek to make huge impacts in the
openSUSE Linux distribution as well as other aspects of the Project.
Right, and I'm really thankful for everything you and all the people in
the openSUSE community do.
So, in the end, I'd like to just ask... Can you
please just let it go?
It's in the past, dredging it up isn't going to help anybody now.
Given all the (mostly non-public) history, I'm afraid that's very hard
for Sarah - and IMHO it would at least require that Richard also stops
doing silly things.
It's not like Gerald is going to be able to do
anything about what
happened 2+ years ago unless SUSE has a TARDIS hidden somewhere in
the Nuremberg office. Having visited the SUSE office there, I'd be
impressed if they managed to hide one anywhere (most rooms are not
big enough to hide such a thing!).
I'd really like to comment on this, but I had to sign a NDA before being
allowed to visit the non-public areas of the SUSE office last year ;-)
PS: non-random signature, as indicated above
The discussion meandered along a little further, wandering into
important topics like potentially sponsoring a pony if a humane way
could be found to brand it with the openSUSE logo — a brilliant
opportunity that, for some unknown reason, was not pursued further.
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