[opensuse-project] Election campaign page
Dear all, Stasiek has set up his campaign page at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ad_hoc_Board_election_2020_platform_hellcp. If you have questions for him as a running candidate, feel free to ask. Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 10:43 +0400, Ish Sookun wrote:
Dear all,
Stasiek has set up his campaign page at https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ad_hoc_Board_election_2020_platform_hellcp.
If you have questions for him as a running candidate, feel free to ask.
Regards,
Ish Sookun
Hi Stasiek, Thanks for agreeing to run and posting your platform. I have a few questions/comments/thoughts in response: Board Structure - I would be very happy if you could post detailed suggestions of what Board structure you'd like to see. Given any major constitutional change will require consent of the openSUSE Membership (most likely expressed through a vote) I feel this is mostly irrelvant to your election to the Board - whether you get elected or not, this topic can be progressed. Indeed, if you do not get elected, I'd still expect the topic to be discussed, so it seems strange to me that your platform states you have a general opinion on this topic but you have not apparently shared it yet. Role of the Board - You state your dissapointment that the Board does not involve itself in technical issues, but the openSUSE Board is explicitly forbidden from "directing or control development". [1] Are you suggesting not only a constitutional change to the Stucture of the Board, but also it's scope and role? Trademark requests - speaking from experience, the Board expends a HUGE amount of energy on Trademark requests under our guidelines [2]. Most of these have to be handled privately because they are commercially sensitive to the companies who wish to be using openSUSE while complying with our trademark guidelines. However there have been some clearly visible examples, such as the Tuxedo deal which I took literally years of negotiations before it bore fruit. I would imagine the way you have dismissively talked about this in your platform might have hurt feelings in the team you wish to be joining - I certainly would be pissed off if I was still in the Board ;) Your platform does a wonderful job of discussing what you have done for the Project in the past, which I absolutely adore and praise, but I am dissapointed that your platform seems to lack any detail on how you'll act as an actual Board member. I cannot find any detail that maps to any of the roles the Board is currently constituted to act. This is a topic I know you have some experience in so here are some leading questions I'd like to see you answer and flesh out your platform with. How do you make yourself available for contact by community members? Ho w much time do you engage with community members every week? What is your view on conflict resolution? How do you currently moderate the Discord channel? Would you like to see that philosophy spread broader across the community? How do you make sure that you dont step on the toes of others when pushing your agenda and contributions in an area where existing contributors could be present but struggling? The Board's role includes "Facilitate decision making processes where needed." - should the Board decide when "when needed" applies, or should the Board only involve themselves when invited by community members who wish their help in decision making processes? What is your opinion of the Project's key sponsor (SUSE)? How do you intend to communicate and collaborate with SUSE in an official capacity? What are the first things you're going to ask for? [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 04/08/2020 à 10:05, Richard Brown a écrit : the part below (at least) is valuable for the two candidates :-) Thanks, Richard jdd
How do you make yourself available for contact by community members? Ho w much time do you engage with community members every week? What is your view on conflict resolution? How do you currently moderate the Discord channel? Would you like to see that philosophy spread broader across the community? How do you make sure that you dont step on the toes of others when pushing your agenda and contributions in an area where existing contributors could be present but struggling? The Board's role includes "Facilitate decision making processes where needed." - should the Board decide when "when needed" applies, or should the Board only involve themselves when invited by community members who wish their help in decision making processes? What is your opinion of the Project's key sponsor (SUSE)? How do you intend to communicate and collaborate with SUSE in an official capacity? What are the first things you're going to ask for?
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board [2] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:05, Richard Brown <rbrown@suse.de> wrote:
Hi Stasiek,
Thanks for agreeing to run and posting your platform. I have a few questions/comments/thoughts in response:
Board Structure - I would be very happy if you could post detailed suggestions of what Board structure you'd like to see. Given any major constitutional change will require consent of the openSUSE Membership (most likely expressed through a vote) I feel this is mostly irrelvant to your election to the Board - whether you get elected or not, this topic can be progressed. Indeed, if you do not get elected, I'd still expect the topic to be discussed, so it seems strange to me that your platform states you have a general opinion on this topic but you have not apparently shared it yet.
I have over the years, there is so much of me on various mailing lists, although I might be forgetting how much of that was said publicly and how much privately when discussing with members of the community. But yeah, I rushed with writing this platform, just to get to mailman 3 deployment stuff, because that is one of the things the projects needs more than me on the board
Role of the Board - You state your dissapointment that the Board does not involve itself in technical issues, but the openSUSE Board is explicitly forbidden from "directing or control development". [1] Are you suggesting not only a constitutional change to the Stucture of the Board, but also it's scope and role?
Yeah, I wrote that twice in the platform iirc, so it should be fairly obvious that I expect the board to be a more functional part of the software side of the project, by codifying currently unenforceable rules of the project. A lot of guidelines regarding the main missions of the project have been written a decade ago and never updated or even worse, moved over from the old wiki, so written over a decade ago. We need to have a group of people knowledgeable on the main topics of the project's work, which would keep a pulse of those guidelines, and update them semi-periodically with the help of the community (yay meetings), so we don't stay behind the curve.
Trademark requests - speaking from experience, the Board expends a HUGE amount of energy on Trademark requests under our guidelines [2]. Most of these have to be handled privately because they are commercially sensitive to the companies who wish to be using openSUSE while complying with our trademark guidelines. However there have been some clearly visible examples, such as the Tuxedo deal which I took literally years of negotiations before it bore fruit. I would imagine the way you have dismissively talked about this in your platform might have hurt feelings in the team you wish to be joining - I certainly would be pissed off if I was still in the Board ;)
Well, that's not what I meant, and I certainly could have worded it better. I have a lot of respect to the board's work and mission, and I never mean to insult anybody or their work in this way. The issue at hand is public communication about the topics.
Your platform does a wonderful job of discussing what you have done for the Project in the past, which I absolutely adore and praise, but I am dissapointed that your platform seems to lack any detail on how you'll act as an actual Board member. I cannot find any detail that maps to any of the roles the Board is currently constituted to act. This is a topic I know you have some experience in so here are some leading questions I'd like to see you answer and flesh out your platform with.
Yeah, my platform reflects why I don't contribute to documentation and bulk of marketing, I'm not good with words, especially with words that talk about the topics where I'm not sure what will happen when we start discussing those things within the community. I don't like saying something I can't promise. I don't know if any of my ideas will come into play with the new board structure, because that's kinda what collaboration is, compromise for the well-being of everyone in the community.
How do you make yourself available for contact by community members?
My email is open. My website, which is in the signature of all of my emails, lists every single communication method I have. My DMs on pretty much everything are open. I listen in on openSUSE Discord, openSUSE Matrix, openSUSE Telegram, r/openSUSE and openSUSE Mailing Lists all the time.
Ho w much time do you engage with community members every week?
It feels like every waking moment. I have spent more time over the last 2 years with the openSUSE community than outside.
What is your view on conflict resolution?
I wish we could just exist without conflict, but I recognize being a pacifist in today's world is pretty much impossible ;)
How do you currently moderate the Discord channel?
Iron fist (although the other mods tell me I'm too nice, so I'm not so sure). The rules apply equally to everybody, so even though I am officially the owner, I would leave for the period of the ban if I got 4 warnings
Would you like to see that philosophy spread broader across the community?
In the current form, probably not. We still manage to come to conclusions too fast, leading to some unfortunate situations. I also get way too heated over some things, so clearly I need to fight with my own anger management and not let it control the way we moderate. It still leads to way better general atmosphere than what usually happens on the mailing lists.
How do you make sure that you dont step on the toes of others when pushing your agenda and contributions in an area where existing contributors could be present but struggling?
I think we all step on each others' toes anyway, we just have to allow ourselves to see the other side of the conversation, and compromise in ways that still improve the "product" and most importantly each other
The Board's role includes "Facilitate decision making processes where needed." - should the Board decide when "when needed" applies, or should the Board only involve themselves when invited by community members who wish their help in decision making processes?
I think even on this premise, the board doesn't do enough. You can't expect developers to just have a meeting on a topic, they will want to do something about it rather than discuss it. Board needs to lead and organize in those cases, which in the long run might also prevent some conflict within the project.
What is your opinion of the Project's key sponsor (SUSE)? How do you intend to communicate and collaborate with SUSE in an official capacity? What are the first things you're going to ask for?
I tend to be very critical of them publicly, but in truth I know very well that openSUSE wouldn't be where it is without them. Is this enough of an endorsement? LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2020 17:03:30 CEST schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Well, that's not what I meant, and I certainly could have worded it better. I have a lot of respect to the board's work and mission, and I never mean to insult anybody or their work in this way. The issue at hand is public communication about the topics. I read it the way you probably meant it, but could easily read it otherwise. But, I've known you for quite a while. Please understand that quite a lot of our members haven't and don't use the platforms you use.
My guess is that you kind of make the same mistake I made years ago. The openSUSE Board Election does not ask for some political campaign with you selling yourself and your ideas. In the end it's about becoming part of a (yet another ) team, that has specific tasks, pretty well described in the rules. A sentence like "I'd like to bring blah blah blah to be discussed in the board" sounds completely different than your current statement. By just making firm statements nothing changes, it needs discussion based on equality, open mindedness and an open ear for what ( teams in ) the community want/desire. In cases like this, I suggest what I've been suggested myself: before posting have someone you trust proof-read your writing. Listen to their feedback, re- write, feedback again etc. Makes you have to explain/defend less. -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue 2020-08-04, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
In cases like this, I suggest what I've been suggested myself: before posting have someone you trust proof-read your writing. Listen to their feedback, re- write, feedback again etc.
FWIW, I am offering such a service to anyone in the context of openSUSE, election campaign or otherwise. Gerald Disclaimer: Bandwidth limits apply, no warranty, and be careful what you are asking for. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 18:03, Gerald Pfeifer <gp@suse.com> wrote:
On Tue 2020-08-04, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
In cases like this, I suggest what I've been suggested myself: before posting have someone you trust proof-read your writing. Listen to their feedback, re- write, feedback again etc.
FWIW, I am offering such a service to anyone in the context of openSUSE, election campaign or otherwise.
Gerald
Disclaimer: Bandwidth limits apply, no warranty, and be careful what you are asking for. ;-)
Because we have only one Gerald, and cloning doesn't seem like a possible solution quite yet, maybe it's time to revive opensuse-proofreading@opensuse.org ;) LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 26. August 2020, 18:07:40 CEST schrieb Stasiek Michalski:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 18:03, Gerald Pfeifer <gp@suse.com> wrote:
On Tue 2020-08-04, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
In cases like this, I suggest what I've been suggested myself: before posting have someone you trust proof-read your writing. Listen to their feedback, re- write, feedback again etc.
FWIW, I am offering such a service to anyone in the context of openSUSE, election campaign or otherwise.
Gerald
Disclaimer: Bandwidth limits apply, no warranty, and be careful what you are asking for. ;-)
Because we have only one Gerald, and cloning doesn't seem like a possible solution quite yet, maybe it's time to revive opensuse-proofreading@opensuse.org ;)
...or just ask other borad or community members, in case you dont want to share it in public. Best, Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed 2020-08-26, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
Because we have only one Gerald, and cloning doesn't seem like a possible solution quite yet, maybe it's time to revive opensuse-proofreading@opensuse.org ;)
And to be clear, I wasn't suggesting to read through thousands of pages of documentation or code or diaries or ..., but mostly for mails or statements along the lines of what Knurpht indicated (or the subject of this mail). ;-) (Plus, as Axel wrote.) Gerald PS: This singularity of Gerald may be a feature, not a bug. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 17:03 +0200, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
Role of the Board - You state your dissapointment that the Board does not involve itself in technical issues, but the openSUSE Board is explicitly forbidden from "directing or control development". [1] Are you suggesting not only a constitutional change to the Stucture of the Board, but also it's scope and role?
Yeah, I wrote that twice in the platform iirc, so it should be fairly obvious that I expect the board to be a more functional part of the software side of the project, by codifying currently unenforceable rules of the project. A lot of guidelines regarding the main missions of the project have been written a decade ago and never updated or even worse, moved over from the old wiki, so written over a decade ago. We need to have a group of people knowledgeable on the main topics of the project's work, which would keep a pulse of those guidelines, and update them semi-periodically with the help of the community (yay meetings), so we don't stay behind the curve.
I think that's a good idea, I also think that there is no way in a million years any current or prospective Board member can be part of that group reviewing our rules. The Board should be responsible for implimenting the rules, but there is too much of a conflict of interest if they have a major hand in shaping them.
Trademark requests
Well, that's not what I meant, and I certainly could have worded it better. I have a lot of respect to the board's work and mission, and I never mean to insult anybody or their work in this way. The issue at hand is public communication about the topics.
Good to hear, but like I said, much of that is hard to talk about - for the majority of the agreements I was involved in, the companies involved opted for not making their aggreement with openSUSE public.
What is your view on conflict resolution?
I wish we could just exist without conflict, but I recognize being a pacifist in today's world is pretty much impossible ;)
Indeed, and given the Board's primary role is to resolve conflict when it arises in the Project, can you describe how you imagine you'll typically handle that? Does everyone always deserve a second chance? Are there some lines which deserve immediate sanction? What's the most severe action you feel the Board should take to resolve a conflict?
The Board's role includes "Facilitate decision making processes
where needed." - should the Board decide when "when needed" applies, or should the Board only involve themselves when invited by community members who wish their help in decision making processes?
I think even on this premise, the board doesn't do enough. You can't expect developers to just have a meeting on a topic, they will want to do something about it rather than discuss it. Board needs to lead and organize in those cases, which in the long run might also prevent some conflict within the project.
I can tell you if the Board evolves into a body that starts telling me what to do as a volunteer, that will be the day I immediately cease contributing voluntarily to openSUSE.
What is your opinion of the Project's key sponsor (SUSE)? How do you intend to communicate and collaborate with SUSE in an official capacity? What are the first things you're going to ask for?
I tend to be very critical of them publicly, but in truth I know very well that openSUSE wouldn't be where it is without them. Is this enough of an endorsement?
I wasn't fishing for an endorsement, but I am still fishing for insights in how you expect to work with them if you're elected. I don't think it would be very productive if the only thing you do in the Board is use that position to be critical of them privately also.. you're going to have to find a way of working with them and/or get them to work better with/for openSUSE. You're going to need a plan for that..and as your prospective voters we would like to know what that plan will be :) -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Dne středa 5. srpna 2020 10:20:29 CEST, Richard Brown napsal(a):
I can tell you if the Board evolves into a body that starts telling me what to do as a volunteer, that will be the day I immediately cease contributing voluntarily to openSUSE.
I understand Your point, but still I wonder about governance. I might be silly, but I don't get how can You drive the project into certain direction without being able to request some action...? I have absolutely no doubts that all developers like You are super skilled, but bunch of skilled people is not sufficient condition to make good final product, right? :-) Surely, there is difference if Board would say "Richard, do this!" or "We would like to do this, because we think it's beneficial for the project, would You, Richard, or anyone else be willing to help us?". IMHO I think the Board should have some idea where the Project should go to. I don't believe much i fully democratic do-cracy (or how do You write it) as without at least basic coordination and leadership (i.e. someone asks someone to do something), we'd end up just in chaos. An example from our Scout organisation. If You as newcoming volunteer are willing to help with something (let's say doing e.g. treasurer for some unit), You volunteerly accept kind of "working position", and You agree You are doing the job in Your spare time, and You accept that someone will tell You what to do. It might be too extreme example for our Project, but I wouldn't disregard such option. I believe there can be balance. :-) -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 10:41 +0200, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne středa 5. srpna 2020 10:20:29 CEST, Richard Brown napsal(a):
I can tell you if the Board evolves into a body that starts telling me what to do as a volunteer, that will be the day I immediately cease contributing voluntarily to openSUSE.
I understand Your point, but still I wonder about governance. I might be silly, but I don't get how can You drive the project into certain direction without being able to request some action...?
The way openSUSE works is well documented eg. https://rootco.de/2016-04-03-opensuse-and-you/ IMHO the contributors should decide where the Project should go, and they should decide by contributing. I will not willingly cede that right I currently enjoy as a voluntarily contributor to any other body. It's a fundemental requirement of my continued voluntarism here. Regards, -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 05/08/2020 à 10:41, Vojtěch Zeisek a écrit :
An example from our Scout organisation. If You as newcoming volunteer are willing to help with something (let's say doing e.g. treasurer for some unit), You volunteerly accept kind of "working position", and You agree You are doing the job in Your spare time,(...)
I even can say than newcomer (in the team involved) is often demanding for such directive, and giving him a task is the best way to keep him with us. saying only "do what you want" is the very way to have it go elsewhere. but I'm pretty sure Richard was not speaking of such thing. For sure no voluteer want to have constantly somebody looking above, his shoulder :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Dne středa 5. srpna 2020 11:59:05 CEST, jdd@dodin.org napsal(a):
Le 05/08/2020 à 10:41, Vojtěch Zeisek a écrit :
An example from our Scout organisation. If You as newcoming volunteer are willing to help with something (let's say doing e.g. treasurer for some unit), You volunteerly accept kind of "working position", and You agree You are doing the job in Your spare time,(...)
I even can say than newcomer (in the team involved) is often demanding for such directive, and giving him a task is the best way to keep him with us.
saying only "do what you want" is the very way to have it go elsewhere.
but I'm pretty sure Richard was not speaking of such thing.
For sure no voluteer want to have constantly somebody looking above, his shoulder :-)
Different volunteers have surely different needs. :-) I'm sure we all wish to avoid extremes of any kind. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:20, Richard Brown <rbrown@suse.de> wrote:
On Tue, 2020-08-04 at 17:03 +0200, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
What is your view on conflict resolution?
I wish we could just exist without conflict, but I recognize being a pacifist in today's world is pretty much impossible ;)
Indeed, and given the Board's primary role is to resolve conflict when it arises in the Project, can you describe how you imagine you'll typically handle that?
Does everyone always deserve a second chance? Are there some lines which deserve immediate sanction? What's the most severe action you feel the Board should take to resolve a conflict?
Now I kinda get why you also asked about Discord moderation. I believe in a lot of chances, and it would have been infinite if my idea to introduce a multiplier into the Discord rules for the length of nth ban wasn't vetoed. Typically the instant bans on Discord are for actions which break multiple rules at the same time, when it doesn't make sense to issue warnings, because they already broke 4 rules so we might as well ban. And when asking about severity of any of board's actions, it depends how severe the offense was. There is a threshold where I would probably support permanently banning people from the project, but until we hit that threshold, I don't think it makes much sense to discuss the threshold.
I wasn't fishing for an endorsement, but I am still fishing for insights in how you expect to work with them if you're elected.
I don't think it would be very productive if the only thing you do in the Board is use that position to be critical of them privately also.. you're going to have to find a way of working with them and/or get them to work better with/for openSUSE.
You're going to need a plan for that..and as your prospective voters we would like to know what that plan will be :)
Well, I only argue if I believe there is an issue that only SUSE is able to fix. I don't like the idea of being critical privately, what's the point of criticism if it can't help people (and in this case a company) be better, and they need to know what's up to be able to improve. I also don't think it makes much sense to argue at all if we clearly won't come to any conclusions. I know it might be shocking but even I have a threshold on my stubbornness, at some point I have to compromise, and I will compromise right away if another solution also doesn't hurt the project. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue 2020-08-04, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
I have a lot of respect to the board's work and mission, and I never mean to insult anybody or their work in this way. The issue at hand is public communication about the topics.
No insult felt on my end (though, as Richard pointed out, the role of the board currently is intentionally set as "hands off" in many areas as of today). Your point on public communications is very valid. Getting better at sharing meeting minutes (quickly) is only one aspect. I have been wondering how to share more and involve broader groups in more aspects and y'all should be seeing more on that front. This goes in all directions, by the way. I'd love for the various teams at openSUSE to share more with one another - their successes, challenges, requests for help, work in progress, plans,....
How much time do you engage with community members every week? It feels like every waking moment. I have spent more time over the last 2 years with the openSUSE community than outside.
Be careful, that way lies risk of burn out!
I wish we could just exist without conflict, but I recognize being a pacifist in today's world is pretty much impossible ;)
Yes, though we can become better at handling conflict. Both as individuals and as groups. Which doesn't mean it's easy - it absolutely is not - but it certainly is a goal I share. Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 14:57, Gerald Pfeifer <gp@suse.com> wrote:
On Tue 2020-08-04, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
I have a lot of respect to the board's work and mission, and I never mean to insult anybody or their work in this way. The issue at hand is public communication about the topics.
No insult felt on my end (though, as Richard pointed out, the role of the board currently is intentionally set as "hands off" in many areas as of today).
Your point on public communications is very valid. Getting better at sharing meeting minutes (quickly) is only one aspect. I have been wondering how to share more and involve broader groups in more aspects and y'all should be seeing more on that front.
This goes in all directions, by the way. I'd love for the various teams at openSUSE to share more with one another - their successes, challenges, requests for help, work in progress, plans,....
That is hard without any concrete structure. I think due to the nature of heroes team, that was fairly easy to do, you need to request access to services, so you in a way sign up to help the team out. I wonder if we could expand on that (without it being as much work as getting access to infra though)
How much time do you engage with community members every week? It feels like every waking moment. I have spent more time over the last 2 years with the openSUSE community than outside.
Be careful, that way lies risk of burn out!
You can only burn out if you do the same thing over and over again, I do everything, so I get the privilege of choosing what to do at any time within the project (...at least until I break something, then the choice is gone and I have to fix it) LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri 2020-08-07, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
I do everything, so I get the privilege of choosing what to do at any time within the project (...at least until I break something, then the choice is gone and I have to fix it)
;-) And thank you for running and being available for these conversations, Stasiek, which help us as a project (beyond understanding your position for the purpose of this election). Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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