January 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] WebYaST User Guide
by Kostas Koudaras 10 Mar '11

10 Mar '11

I was asked by a new formed Linux Magazine to look for some great tools of the openSUSE project so that I can write some articles about them. I thought about OBS and WebYaST. I let someone else from the Greek community to make the OBS article due to his experience with that tool and I start looking for more information about it today and I found the webYaST user guide that was published today!!! I read it and it is a really great guide. Now I am thinking in making a Greek team to translate it so my question is when I will finish the translation where can I publish it? And if its possible to get informed about the changes that might become so that I can upgrade the translated guide. That's it for now Kostas -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] License and copyright issues that openSUSE Weekly News team are coming up against now
by Satoru Matsumoto 21 Feb '11

21 Feb '11

Hello mates, we, openSUSE Weekly News (OWN) team are now facing license and copyright issues. There are some things which are not clear to us. Although most of the issues affect just OWN, I think those issues should be shared by whole project. Sascha, editor in chief of OWN have proposed that we should publish OWN under CC BY-SA 3.0 license [1]. @Sascha Please explain the reason why you think it is better to publish OWN under that license including: * What kind of benefits can we expect by applying CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * Why should we apply CC BY-SA 3.0 instead of other similar licenses? <Explanation from Sascha> The CC BY-SA helps us to give a clear License with clear Restriction. If we publishing under CC BY-SA or another CC License everyone can use our Weekly News, write anything from his content, and republish it. And BTW: Ubuntu and Fedora Newsletters are under CC BY-SA too. BTW2: But this is set on the bottom of every Site inside the normal Site. The GFDL which is used by openSUSE is a good License too. But it is needed to paste the whole License inside every new produce. If we're using CC then is a Link enough. </Explanation from Sascha> What are the points that are not yet clear enough? # Please do not confound copyright with license. * For contents on Wiki, license is clearly specified: "All content is made available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 ("GFDL") unless expressly indicated otherwise."[2] But how about contents on other *.opensuse.org sites? * Can we include contents, of which licenses aren't clearly mentioned, in OWN and publish under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? Or, should we "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of each article, even if the article is from news.o.o, lizards.o.o, lists.o.o and planet.o.o? (If we should do so, we have to "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of almost every article, because most of the articles now on OWN are from those sites or external news sites or private blogs. But if 90% of the contents are not under CC BY-SA or any other clear license, do we really need to publish OWN under that license?) * Which country's copyright law and guidelines should we refer to? <from Sascha> In Germany we have the "Citiation Law", who says, that everyone can paste from every written document into a new one. But it can't be used for the whole document, just for a citiation (Maybe 3 Paragraphs or so...) Exists any similar Law in other Countries too? </from Sascha> * Can current drawing (citation) from external sites or personal blogs be considered "legitimate"? (This is closely related to the above question.) - As far as I refer to Japanese copyright law and guidelines, our current style doesn't meet the requirements for "legitimate quotation". - For example, if AuthorA wrote an article titled "About B" on SiteC that says "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! But some don't like cats." ... -- Our current style: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)" cannot be considered legitimate quotation. This style may be considered "reprint" and if there is a mention "all rights reserved" on the original SiteC, we are not allowed to reprint except otherwise specially permitted. --- And this means, that we cannot "reprint" articles from *.opensuse.org except Wiki (contents on Wiki are published under GFDL), because we can read the mention "© 2010 Novell, Inc. All rights reserved." on the bottom of each page on those sites. -- If we introduce the original article like: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - In this article, AuthorA is making out "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)". I totally agree. I think kitten is the most cutest animal on earth! -- this can be considered legitimate quotation. # Therefore, Ubuntu people don't just "copy & paste" parts of articles from external sites in their Weekly News. When they introduce an article from external site, they are going to write an introductory article by themselves and include citation from original article in it. * How can we solve these problems? - Can we ask Novell to apply CC BY-SA 3.0 license for every content on *.opensuse.org including Wiki? If that'll be OK, most of the problems will be solved. -- In that case, do we need Contributor License Agreement [3] to explain that all the contributed documents on *.opensuse.org will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? -- But still, how we can deal with articles which are aggregated on planet.o.o wouldn't that clear. Will all the authors accept that their articles will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * How should we deal with articles from external sites in OWN? Alternatives may be: - We won't introduce articles from external sites anymore. - We will just introduce sites name, authors name, title and link URL with short comment (For example: "In this article, the author explains how to ...") by editors. - When we introduce an article from external site, editor will write an introductory article for that as Gertjan does for Forums section now. (I think this is the best option. But in order to do so, we need much more help.) We need all those points to be clear. Suggestions and proposals are welcome. [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Terms_of_site#Copyright_notice [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Countdown counter for 11.4
by Pascal Bleser 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

The openSUSE release countdown is available for openSUSE 11.4 (remaining days computed towards the currently planned release date of 2011-03-10 at 14:00 UTC). It is available in 3 sizes and many languages to promote openSUSE on your site or blog. Instructions and details are on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Countdown NB: the "wide" size is still pending, will finish it ASAP cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM XI: 5 + 6 Feb 2011, http://fosdem.org

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[opensuse-project] Tumbleweed status & how to promote it
by Jos Poortvliet 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Hi all, I have some questions about Tumbleweed. First of all, I wonder what the status is and will be. If someone enables Tumbleweed on the upcoming 11.4, is it very likely that most packages will be updated or are we still talking about a small subset? Second and related to the first question, to what extend should we promote Tumbleweed? Is it a major 11.4 thing? Can we truly say Tumbleweed is something people can and should use, will it offer a pretty-much-complete rolling- release distro? (notice that this is relevant for our "why openSUSE" talking points at [1]) Third, if the answer to the second point is positive, should we make it easy somehow to enable Tumbleweed? Eg some tickbox on installation or in our package management system? Obviously, I love Tumbleweed - for the slightly-more-experienced linux user and for those who love the latest & greatest it is awesome - and this happens to be a pretty big chunk of our target usergroup :D On a personal note, I also love Tumbleweed because I think rolling-release stuff rocks - I come from Arch and frankly it's the major thing I loved about it. Cheers, Jos [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Talking_points#Why_openSUSE

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[opensuse-project] Testmail
by Sascha Manns 30 Jan '11

30 Jan '11

Just a testmail. please ignore -- Sincerely Yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Membership Comitee openSUSE Electioncomitee openSUSE Marketing Team Packager in Build Service Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.saschamanns.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] science repo again
by Alin Marin Elena 27 Jan '11

27 Jan '11

Hi there!!! Can anyone please enable vtk and link/add qwt (iti is already in education repo) to the science/opensuse_Factory repo please? I am building a scientific package that should be submitted soon to the science repo... I also have another one ready to submit... what is the procedure? regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board election results
by Thomas Schmidt 27 Jan '11

27 Jan '11

The openSUSE board election[1] closed today, so we have 2 new members on the board replacing Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang. Election results: Henne Vogelsang, 125 votes Peter Linnell, 72 votes Sankar P, 71 votes Sebastion Kuegler, 64 votes Chuck Payne, 39 votes Nelson Marques, 23 votes which makes 220 votes out of 469 members who were eligible to vote. Thanks for all candidates who stepped up and all members who casted their votes! Greetings from the election committee! (election-officials(a)opensuse.org) [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Wir sind nicht in Vietnam, sondern beim Bowling. Hier gibt es Regeln." John Goodman in Big Lebowsky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Should/could the guiding principles be more than just guiding?
by Per Jessen 26 Jan '11

26 Jan '11

Jim Henderson wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:37:56 +0100, Per Jessen wrote: > >>> But if there's no meaning to agreeing to those principles, then why >>> have them? >> >> To indicate intent and direction. > > I agree this discussion is overall for another time and place. > > But as food for thought for when that conversation does take place, > consider that if someone isn't following that guidance, they're > probably not (in some way) following that intent/direction, which > would seem to me to be problematic. There is room for quite a bit of debate here - take the topic that started this, the expulsion of an openSUSE member for violating the _guiding_ principles. That in itself is very problematic. Wrt time and place, now is as good as any and this list is quite appropriate, albeit in a new thread. Let me start with saying that I think the guiding principles are fine and I don't think they need changing. However, IMHO, they are not formulated in a way that makes it possible to expel someone for not following them. They are worded in terms of "We are ..., we want to ... , we value ...". That's perfectly fine for a set of "guiding principles", but doesn't even come close to e.g. a code of conduct. There is no need to discuss the current "case" any further, but I think we need to ask ourselves this - are the guiding principles really good/clear enough to form the base of someone being expelled? To me, they're guidance only and nowhere near clear enough to form the base of any kind of punitive action. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-3.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RED] Two days left for the LinuxTag Call for Papers
by Henne Vogelsang 26 Jan '11

26 Jan '11

Hey Guys, we have 2 days left to submit talks to the LinuxTag Program for 2011. http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/vp:Call_for_Papers Interesting highlight in the CFP this year is the point "Cross Distribution Collaboration". I guess we can resume a lot of our topics from the openSUSE Conference and FOSDEM like Bretzn, AppStream, OBS, Zypp, openQA and the like. Of course other topics also are fine. Please take a moment to think about what you can do and then go to http://vcc.linuxtag.org and put in a talk. This is our last chance to make something happen in that program! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project Meeting Tomorrow Canceled
by Henne Vogelsang 25 Jan '11

25 Jan '11

Hey, due to Hackweek6 the project meeting tomorrow at 12:00 UTC is canceled. The board meeting at 19:00 UTC will take place! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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25 Jan '11

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[opensuse-project] How to celebrate Tumbleweed!
by Greg Freemyer 24 Jan '11

24 Jan '11

I haven't had one yet, but it looks like it should be available at all Tumbleweed launch parties. ===> http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink657.html 1/2 oz brandy 1/2 oz Kahlua® coffee liqueur 1/2 oz Frangelico® hazelnut liqueur 1/2 oz white creme de cacao 1 oz cream Pour ingredients into a stainless steel shaker over ice,shake until completely cold then pour into a chilled stemmed glass or Rocks glass filled with ice. === And since Tumbleweed will be a rolling release, that means daily! (Henne, I hope this is better than talking politics!) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Poll: Which Outputformat of Weekly News you prefer?
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 23 Jan '11

23 Jan '11

Hello Mates, we've placed a new poll in connect about the Outputformats of Weekly News. Please place your vote: http://bit.ly/fjVOZy -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns open-slx GmbH openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Marketing Team Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.saschamanns.de Web: http://www.open-slx.de (openSUSE Box Support German) Web: http://www.open-slx.com (openSUSE Box Support English) Open-SLX : Linux convenient, simple, secure and complete

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Facebook Group and Page administrators
by Helen 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hi Folks, I am trying to co-coordinate our Facebook presence. At the moment, there are quite a few openSUSE Pages and Groups with many members. If you are administering an openSUSE Page or Group, please get in touch so we can create a master list and know what belongs to whom. To ensure the openSUSE message gets out there, the Marketing team wants to work on a few key groups and pages, so we can help readers find good pages and community, make sure questions are answered, and keep pages spam free. A forgotten page, gathering dust, is not a nice reader experience. Of course there's no problem with having an 'unofficial' page or group! This is community after all! But please send your URL and contact info so we know which page is yours. (Even if it is only a 'small' page) The main official (English language, general purpose) Group is this one: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2256834487 However Pages are a problem. Admins are not displayed and seem almost impossible to contact. The biggest pages are these: http://www.facebook.com/pages/openSuse-Linux/12783888575 2,500 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/OpenSUSE/16720390225#!/pages/OpenSUSE/1672039… 2700 likes http://www.facebook.com/pages/openSUSE/45393742283#!/pages/openSUSE/4539374… 1500 likes (and well detailed info) It would make most sense to develop one of these strong pages as our main Facebook portal, because they already have so many 'likes'. But to do so we need to contact their administrators and invite them to work with us. So, If you are a page administrator, please email me your contact information, Facebook profile and the page or group URL. Feel free to do this off-list if your Facebook and List personas are separate. thanks for your help! Helen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re:[opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Kai-Uwe Behrmann 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hey, my first email to this list. I am the new member, hello to all. "... transparency of the decision making processes, transparency of communication and transparency of work and collaboration processes." this stands in the Guiding principles [1] and is what I want to adress for my openSUSE membership in this email. I obtained some days ago my membership status with the urgent hint to take part in the election of the openSUSE board. Thanks for that. Now it is very hard to fullfill both. I would conclude the election process had to be transparent. But it is not at all. Gnokii was not just a member who was removed, he is a nominated candidate for the board election [2]. The original email "Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member" [3] is misleading and I see it as complete intransparent. I am very sorry to have to conclude the following: The intransparent process of removing a candidates membership by the board is a election manipulation. Removing of a membership account and removing and banning from IRC and thus taking the possibility to defend his position is bulling. Not to mention that there is no formal way to remove a members or candidates by the board itself. I wonder what the board has lead to such a decission. The combination of all this is very strange. Apologyse to those board members, who where in the minority to avoid such a decission. The membership removal is not fair to Gnokii. The candidate removal is not fair to the community and the election manipulation is unfair to the other election candidates. What remains to do? kind regards Kai-Uwe Behrmann -- developing for colour management www.behrmann.name + www.oyranos.org [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles [2] http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/14/board-elections/ [3] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-01/msg00085.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Pascal Bleser 22 Jan '11

22 Jan '11

Hi all Sorry, very long mail ahead... (As privacy is pretty sensitive on this matter, please contact the board directly (board(a)opensuse.org) if you have further questions or need clarification, instead of discussing it in public.) As you probably all know by now, the openSUSE Board recently revoked an individual's membership as well as his access to the openSUSE infrastructure. As Community participants are admitted to membership, they agree to abide by the Guiding Principles of the openSUSE Project. One of the responsibilities of the elected members of the Board is to be the guardian of those principles; fostering a positive and pleasant environment for all members of the Community. From time to time the board is obligated to take actions to uphold those principles on behalf of the membership. In doing so, the board acts in a manner to mindfully protect the privacy of all effected parties, including both the offender and those affected by the offensive actions. The privacy of those who were personally affected must also be taken into consideration. After receiving a series of complaints from numerous members of the Community regarding violations of the Guiding Principles by that person over a prolonged period, the board began working to uphold its obligation to the membership by attempting to resolve the conflicts through discussions and mediation with all involved parties and ultimately issuing a warning of possible expulsion. In December, complaints were renewed and the Board felt that despite repeated warnings and discussions, the Board could no longer abide by actions that violated the principles which our Community is built upon. Now, there have been a few points that have been (rightfully) raised by a few people (I'm paraphrasing here ;)): 1) Who said the board has the right to revoke someone's membership ? 2) Isn't it harsh? Wasn't there a better way to deal with it? 3) The timing is very suspicious. 4) It all happened behind closed doors, you should have made it publicly, in a transparent manner (as transparency and openness is also part of the Guiding Principles). 5) Who and/or how to prevent abuse from the board ? 6) Removing the membership would have been enough, why remove the person from the project altogether ? First of all, the Board never had to deal with a situation like this one before, where many attempts of mediation and dialogue didn't result in the person who violated the Guiding Principles understanding the concerns and going back into behavior that is socially acceptable (because that's, in essence, what the Guiding Principles are about). Hence we, as a Community, didn't have any precedence to look for, nor any mistakes we did in the past to improve the process upon. 1) So, yes, indeed, neither the Guiding Principles nor the Board statuses *explicitly* state that the Board may remove someone's membership upon repeated violation of the Guiding Principles nor how it must be dealt with regarding a public record of action (or not). But, as stated in the Guiding Principles, one of the primary missions of the board is to mediate and try to resolve conflicts. When people approach board members and ask us to take action, it is the role of the Board to do so and, unfortunately, if all the constructive attempts to resolve the issue through dialogue fail, the Board have to take the final and non-revocable action of removing that person from the project. We added that point to the members page on the wiki after-the-fact for the purpose of clarification, and if people feel that it is controversial and needs discussion for similar situations in the future, let's have that discussion -- ideally when the new board is in place, after the elections. 2) We, the Board members, hope you trust us as well as the other Community members who have been involved sufficiently to believe us when we say the board would never take such measures without having exercised all the "better ways" to deal with it. The Board always tries to mediate first. And not only once but a lot of times in various forms. If that doesn't help the offender is given a fair warning of the intent to escalate this further and only then, if an offender does not change his behaviour, the Board has to take such extreme measures. 3) The timing, indeed, may seem suspicious. We (Board members) were very aware of that but decided to finalize what we started nevertheless. As said above, the Board had to work on a lot of details like deciding whether a public announcement should be made, draft up an email, let it circulate on the internal board mailing-list to let all the board members have a say, vote, and/or make amendments and so on on the fly. But you have to understand that the Board work by consensus, pretty much in a democratic way: the Board members aren't the borg, they all have their individual opinions, and especially in a matter as important as this one, the Board members obviously wanted everyone on the team to have a chance to agree or disagree. Of course, the Christmas holidays didn't help accelerate the process either. So in the end the Board was obviously unable to draft an earlier letter to inform the Election Committee as well as the openSUSE Community at large of his change of status. We regret the timing but the whole matter had lasted all to long already, especially with regards to the people who have been the repeated victims of that person's behaviour over a very long period of time. 4) Matters such as these can only be handled in private, behind closed doors, only involving the people who are directly concerned. As the Board members want to protect the privacy of the person in question, as well as the privacy of the people who have been the victims of his behaviour, it would have been inappropriate to do so publicly. If you don't think so, just imagine that we make all that in public and an employer or potential future employer googling it up. Not nice. We do not want to harm anyone, and do not want public crucifixions either. Some argued that it could have been done by anonymizing the person's name, as we are doing right now (for the very reasons stated above), but that simply wouldn't have worked over an extensive period of time and with more details than what we're including in this email. Please note that the Board attempted to avoid making a public statement for those exact same reasons, but evidently it is needed at this point, to our deepest regret to the victims involved (again, for the reasons above). 5) The primary tool to prevent individual Board members to take abusive actions is the inherent democratic way the Board functions. Yes, the actions and decisions of the Board are often, if not always, very slow, but that is the price to pay for a democratic approach, where decisions are taken by consensus, with every Board member having a chance to vote and voice her opinion. Attempts of abuse by an individual will be outweighed and prevented by the opinions and votes of the 5 others. The tool to prevent a majority of the Board or even the whole Board from taking abusive actions are the elections. The Election Committee is there to do their best to prevent abuse in the election process itself, and they have -- rightfully so -- voiced their concerns on the timing (as explained above), which we have hopefully cleared up in an email thread with the members of the current Election Committee. The Board is the only elected body of the Community, so for those of you who are openSUSE Members, do exercise your right carefully. You elect the people you trust to do the best for the project and the Community. 6) Unfortunately, only removing the membership status wouldn't have changed anything in this case, as the disruptive and poisonous behaviour was not seen exclusively in situations where membership plays a role. The Board members were (and still are) convinced that we had to remove the person from the project altogether to resolve this issue. Finally, we all respect and are thankful for what that person did for the project, and deeply regret that it had to come to this, but it was really the only option left. Thanks for reading so far. With regards, and in no particular order ;), Rupert Horstkötter, Henne Vogelsang, Pavol Rusnak, Alan Clark, Andreas Jaeger (*), Jos Poortvliet (*), Michael Löffler (*), Pascal Bleser. (**) (*) who have also been involved in mediation attempts (**) Bryen decided to abstain from taking part in the whole proceedings on the matter, as he was too directly involved

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Re: [opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Karsten König 21 Jan '11

21 Jan '11

Am Freitag, 21. Januar 2011, 12:46:31 schrieb Jos Poortvliet: > On Friday 21 January 2011 05:46:03 Basil Chupin wrote: > > On 21/01/2011 00:11, Kai-Uwe Behrmann wrote: > > > Am 20.01.11, 14:02 +0100 schrieb jdd: > > >> Le 20/01/2011 13:36, Kai-Uwe Behrmann a écrit : > > >>> Gnokii was not just a member who was removed, he is a nominated > > >>> candidate for the board election [2]. > > >> > > >> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Nominations: > > >> > > >> as far as I know, he was only nominated by Nelson (and I didn't see > > >> this on any official mailing list) and during the discussion Nelson > > >> never reported this (although the discussion was so long I may have > > >> missed the fact), and we have no evidence gnokii was a candidate. > > >> However, Nelson was (is). > > > > > > Here are references: > > > http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2971 > > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-01/msg00013.html > > > > > >> I don't want to start again the discussion on the other aspects of > > >> this problem. > > > > > > Sorry, if I just repeated things. > > > > Well, from where I sit all conditions for nomination to be a candidate > > in the current election for the Board have been met. > > *sigh* > > Why don't you read? Seriously, it's completely silly that I have to write > the below again as anyone with eyes and a brain will know it has been said > about 10 times by now... > > 0. you have to be a member to run for the board > 1. he isn't a member so can't run for the board anymore > 2. the process to remove him from the board was started about 2 months ago > 3. the only reason there was one day overlap between the kick-out and the > candidacy is because the holidays (and the board wanting to do this > properly and not hastily) > 4. we communicated this to the election commitee. Surely they were > critical, rightly so, it's an unfortunate situation. But in the end, a > non-member can't run for the board, so that's it. > > Again, read before you post please. Everyone on this list is done with this > discussion (and probably sick of it) especially because it is going around > and around due to, among others, you. Just let it go or bring it up by the > board if you want to hear all these things again and again in other > wordings. I'm sure they have written a script by now that re-arranges the > paragraphs of their initial statement in a different order to > automatically answer such mails. > > Jees, you read english, don't you, or do you only WRITE it? There is a reason barely anyone wants to respond to Basil, he always turns up when there is a political debate going on and otherwise isn't to be seen. Btw the person removed was quite the opposite, while often coming across badly he really put work into opensuse, so it's a shame it had to come to this. Karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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20 Jan '11

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[opensuse-project] Motion: Making a petition as a non-board member
by Greg Freemyer 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

The openSUSE rules do not currently say under what conditions a member, but non-board member can make a motion to the board. Nor under what conditions the board would in turn call on the whole membership to vote on the motion. Associations with formal rules have been in existence long before now. I have adopted the below rule (or bylaw in our case) from a legally recognized association I am a member of. I have changed the wording from the previous motion. I have also updated the support info below to a large extent. === I make a motion that the openSUSE rules be updated to allow for formal member petitioning. A formal petition openly supported by 10 members may be submitted to the board asking for an issue to be voted on by the membership at large. The petition must include the language of the vote to be submitted to the membership. Once submitted to the board, the board must call for a all members vote on the matter addressed in the petition. The vote must be initiated within 10 days of the petition and the vote must close within 30 days. If the matter being voted on concerns an improper sanction or appeal of a sanction, then the sanctioned person must be one of the petitioners. === details I serve on a board. There are times when board / member relationships are very tense. In my experience it is only a small handful of the membership that feels abused. Having the ability to petition for community votes is a way to both provide oversight to the board and to eliminate baseless claims that the board is not responsive to member concerns. Obviously this can make an issue semi-public as all members have to be informed of the issues at hand. If the matter is private or covered by NDA, the board will need to make its case in asking the members to support its decisions (or lack thereof) without violating privacy or NDA. In the case of a specific member's claimed mis-conduct it will likely be unavoidable that potentially private issues will have to be exposed to the membership, thus the portion of the proposed new rule that the specific member must be part of the group of members asking for a all members vote. It is my hope that this rule would rarely be invoked. Further although not addressed by this proposed rule, it is my belief that associations like openSUSE typically have annual meetings and at those annual meetings any member may make a motion and, if seconded, at that time all members present at the meeting vote. The association I am most familiar with uses "Robert's Rules of Order" to conduct these annual meetings. Admittedly we are often less formal about using Robert's Rules, but when things are extremely contentious we have hired a "Parliamentarian" to run the meeting precisely via the rules. ==== Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] troubles with the vote...
by Alin Marin Elena 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Hi there, I have been a member for few years now... even voted in the previous elections.... however it seems now I cannot anymore... if i go to users.opensuse.org my elections I can see only the old ones. my member name is ealin.... you find me in opensuse-kde channel under alin if more info needed... regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I cannot connect to http://forums.opensuse.org/
by Kostas Koudaras 18 Jan '11

18 Jan '11

Hi For some reason I cannot connect to http://forums.opensuse.org/ and I get a Database error message. Anyone with an idea? Thanks Kostas -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions for Board Applicants.
by Nelson Marques 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Dear all, Given the recent events, I decided to compile a small list of questions/topics to present to the contestants to the Board. 1. "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - F. Nietzsche Given the discussion regarding the recent action of the current board in expelling a member, could you please comment the quotation above having in mind that action (and your knowledge about the situation)? 2. "Resentment seems to have been given us by nature for a defense, and for a defense only! It is the safeguard of justice and the security of innocence." - Adam Smith Whats your interpretation of the quote from Adam Smith. 3. Do you consider yourself a 'forgiving' oriented person? Please justify. In case you have restrictions to 'forgiving' could please identify them? Elaborate please. 4. "In general, the Internet was not designed to accommodate deliberate failures to communicate." - Daniel J. Bernstein Could you please give us your interpretation of the previous quotation ? 5. "All governments should be pressured to correct their abuses of human rights." - Richard M. Stallman Should only 'governaments' be pressured to correct abuses on Human Rights? What's your stand regarding Human Rights? Should an organization like openSUSE subscribe the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights? Should be Board be also the safekeeper and Guardion of such? (consider that the Universal Declaration of the Human Rights also contemplates the right to 'defense'). 7. "Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes." - Mahatma Gandhi Could you please comment the quotation above and relate it to your future position on the Board? Please elaborate. 6. If you take decisions on the Board on behalf of the community and the people that voted on you, do you believe that you should inform those people on controversial disputes about your standing? Where is the line between your own personal standing and the will of those who elected you? Thank you, Nelson. References: * F. Nietzsche - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche * Adam Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith * Daniel J. Bernstein - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_J._Bernstein * Richard M. Stallman - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman * Mahatma Gandhi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions for the candidates [Public statement from the Board...]
by jdd 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

I would like to know the opinion of the candidates about the recent action of the board presently discussed on this list. if you had been in the board, would you have supported this action or not and why? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] WTF to do with the Votes
by Stephan Kleine 17 Jan '11

17 Jan '11

Hi guys, before that whole discussions manages to get even more pointless can we please simply agree that: 1. The poll is open until the end (naturally) 2. Every voter has the right & option to change his / her votes until the poll is closed. This way it is fair - IMHO - and the whole pointless argumentation is void. <snip countless reasons why this is fair just to spare you the spam /> regards, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] IPv6 World Day
by Nelson Marques 16 Jan '11

16 Jan '11

Reference: http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ Though this is by far more interesting for Network Operators, openSUSE enables IPv6. I don't have any knowledge about IPv6 implementation on openSUSE infra-structure, but wouldn't this be interesting to participate and promote ourselfs in an audience that might be interesting? Just a thought. NM -- nelson marques nmo.marques(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] I make a motion - [Was: Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member]
by Greg Freemyer 15 Jan '11

15 Jan '11

As a openSUSE member and assuming I have the privilege: I make a motion that the openSUSE bylaws be updated to allow for formal member petitioning. And if a formal petition supported by 10 members is submitted to the board, the board must call for a all members vote on the matter addressed in the petition. If the matter concerns an improper sanction or appeal of a sanction, then the sanctioned person must be one of the petitioners. === details I serve on a board. There are 2 aspects of that board that seem relevant to the current sanction discussion: 1) A sanctioned / fined person can request a hearing where they can interact with the board. But only once. We don't do it often and prefer to setup meetings specifically to address the hearing, not handle it as part of out monthly meetings. This could clearly be done via IRC for openSUSE. I gather the disbarred person was given the opportunity to make his/her case to the board via emails, so I think this is equivalent, but a more formal IRC meeting would be even better. 2) A petition signed by 10 of the members can be brought to the board and it must be voted on by the whole! ie. if 10 members disagree with a board action (or lack of action) they can file a petition with the board and the board must call a full all member vote on the issue. Obviously this makes the issue semi-public as all members have to be informed of the issues at hand. I don't recall this type of feature being in the openSUSE rules. In this case, if the disbarred person feels wronged and is willing to have the issue addressed with all openSUSE members included in the communication, then he/she would simply need to get 9 other members to join him/her in petitioning for an open hearing / all members vote. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse-project] Public statement from the Board on the removal of a member
by Administrator 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

> Sorry, but in my opinion as the removed member, I see they only use that > argument when they needed it. They have already influenced my private life > by removing my Novell account which grants me access to non > openSUSE related things. Then perhaps we do need greater clarity around what matters should be handled privately, with the assumption that everything else is public (or, at the least, freely available to anyone interested). David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Does openSUSE have an opinion of "Linux capabilities"?
by Jos Poortvliet 14 Jan '11

14 Jan '11

On Thursday 13 January 2011 17:12:58 Per Jessen wrote: > Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > On Thursday 13 January 2011 08:05:35 Per Jessen wrote: > >> Greg Freemyer wrote: > >>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Cristian Morales Vega > >>> > >>> <cmorve69(a)yahoo.es> wrote: > >>>> 2011/1/12 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com>: > >>>>> And it left me wondering if openSUSE has a plan related to > >>>>> capabilities. Apparently some of the distros are moving to it > >>>>> rapidly in an effort to eliminate SUID programs, but there may be > >>>>> security holes in the new concept too, so it's pretty up in the air. > >>>>> > >>>>> And my other question is where do project level design concepts like > >>>>> this get discussed? > >>>> > >>>> https://features.opensuse.org/307254 > >>> > >>> That looks more like a technical discussion which seems very > >>> appropriate. > >>> > >>> But in this case I was hoping for a statement of direction. > >>> > >>> ie. "The openSUSE community has decided to restrict the use of SUID by > >>> switching to Linux Capabilities instead and is targeting the 12.0 > >>> release to have no SUID programs included in the release." would be a > >>> statement of direction. > >> > >> That would require leadership, foresight and planning. > > > > Or just someone who feels like taking this on. THEN such a statement > > could be produced. > > Hi Jos, > > Not in my opinion. Unless empowered to do so, no arbitrary person can > make such fundamental decisions and claim "the project has decided". > That's called anarchy - maybe that is what we have at the moment? I admit it's a bit more complicated than what I wrote, yes :D The usual community process is probably something like - there is a team responsible for some area and if they have made a decision a statement could be made. IF such a statement is made depends on them thinking about that or not... So in this case, if the people in the openFATE entry decide this is something that has to be done and some are willing to work on it, I guess it might make sense to get out a statement like Greg wrote. > > /Per

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board election started
by Thomas Schmidt 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

The openSUSE board election just started! Please go to: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/digitaltomm/10769/opensuse-board… and cast your vote for this election. All openSUSE members[1] are eligible to vote. The board consists of 6 members and one chairperson. As the election period of Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang ends, this election will appoint 2 new board members. The election period ends at January the 26th. All candidates have put their agenda on the wiki[2], linked as "Platform" after the candidates' name. If you have any questions, please contact the election officials (election-officials(a)opensuse.org). Greetings [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Members [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) openSUSE Boosters Team "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Greek openSUSE community report for 2010
by Kostas Koudaras 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

We just released the Greek openSUSE community report for 2010 at http://amb.opensuse.gr/ Take a moment and give it a look if you can, feedback and comments are more than welcome. Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Does openSUSE have an opinion of "Linux capabilities"?
by Greg Freemyer 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

All, I just read http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Expert-Linux-capabilities-don-t-… And it left me wondering if openSUSE has a plan related to capabilities. Apparently some of the distros are moving to it rapidly in an effort to eliminate SUID programs, but there may be security holes in the new concept too, so it's pretty up in the air. And my other question is where do project level design concepts like this get discussed? Thanks Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.3, disk expert needed (SSD + hdparm/wiper.sh error: /usr/sbin/rdev needed but not found)
by Johannes Nohl 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

I'd like to ask for feedback. How do you treat your SSD running openSUSE 11.3? By now it is recommended (http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:SSD_discard_%28trim%29_support) to run wiper.sh for discarding free space weekly. This is at least true as long there's no native TRIM-support which is compatible to modern SSDs. openSUSE 11.3 is shipping with hdparm updated to version 9.36. The script /sbin/wiper.sh is included there. Am I the only one experiencing this error: wiper.sh: Linux SATA SSD TRIM utility, version 3.1, by Mark Lord. wiper.sh: This tool is DANGEROUS! Please read and understand wiper.sh: /usr/share/doc/packages/hdparm/README.wiper wiper.sh: before going any further. /usr/sbin/rdev: needed but not found, aborting. How do you deal with it? rdev (as far as I understand) doesn't come with openSUSE anymore. Additionally it does only return the name of the root device "/dev/sdXX". Possible solution: Add the following two lines at line 260 of /sbin/wiper.sh (in diff): 261,262d260 < elif [ "$RDEV" == "" -a `$GAWK '{if ($2 ~ /^\/$/) print $1}' /etc/mtab` != "" ]; then < rootdev=`$GAWK '{if ($2 ~ /^\/$/) print $1}' /etc/mtab` ## openSUSE This will make the script reading root device from /etc/mtab. I only tried to run the script in dry mode. Is there any harm with that solution? Should I go real with it? I guess it's only a minor issue. Btw if it's of any interested: I own a OCZ Vertex 2 Extended. I tried to bring this upstream. But the bug tracker on hdparm.sourceforge.net doesn't look like very much populated... Greetings Johannes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.3, disk expert needed (SSD + hdparm/wiper.sh error: /usr/sbin/rdev needed but not found)
by Johannes Nohl 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

>> Did wiper.sh from hdparm 9.28 work out of the box? Not for me: >> "/usr/sbin/rdev: needed but not found, aborting." > > No, there is a online update patch that is needed to make it work. If > you've run normal online updates you should have it. > > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635920 > >From the bug report I can see that 9.30 is supporting my device (OCZ Vertex 2 Extended). So I guess 9.36 should still support it. But what about the script wiper.sh (which is comming with hdparm)? I guess 9.30 is backported into http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.3/rpm/x86_64/hdparm-9.28-4.1.1.x86_6…. I tried wiper.sh in there but still complaining about "/usr/sbin/rdev". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.3, disk expert needed (SSD + hdparm/wiper.sh error: /usr/sbin/rdev needed but not found)
by Johannes Nohl 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

2011/1/12 Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com>: > Mark, > > I just got a problem report about wiper.sh needing /usr/sbin/rdev. > > That seems to have been deprecated for a while. Googling > "usr/sbin/rdev" I see the same issue raised for several distros. > > Are you working on a hdparm update / patch to address that? > > Thanks > Greg As far as I understand rdev is only needed to tell which is the root device "/". If it's safe to extract this info from /etc/mtab I would suggest to get it there. Diff for /sbin/wiper.sh in hdparm 9.36: 261,262d260 < elif [ "$RDEV" == "" -a `$GAWK '{if ($2 ~ /^\/$/) print $1}' /etc/mtab` != "" ]; then < rootdev=`$GAWK '{if ($2 ~ /^\/$/) print $1}' /etc/mtab` ## openSUSE This enables me to do a dry-run of wiper.sh on openSUSE 11.3 (didn't try with --commit). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions for the candidates
by Vincent Untz 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Hi, I read the platforms of all candidates, and I have a few questions :-) I'd appreciate if you could take some time to answer them; it'll help me vote in an informed way. 1) You described various issues you'd like to get fixed and goals you want to achieve. Will you still work on (or help with) those tasks if you're not on the board, or do you think you really need to be on the board for some of those tasks? 2) How much time per week can you secure (approximately) for the board? (I know it will be 0% of your time for some weeks, and much more for some other weeks; I'm interested in the average) 3) Did you attend IRC board meetings already? 4) It's interesting that I see nearly no note about budget/money in platforms. When (not if ;-)) we'll have the Foundation, the board will have to work on a budget. So a few questions about this... 4a) Have you experience with creating/dealing with a budget? 4b) Where will we find money for the Foundation? 4c) What should we use the money for? 5) I do think it'd be useful to have some board-related meeting at FOSDEM. That should help the newly-elected board members to know faster what's happening, and how things work. Will you come to FOSDEM? (I know some people, and that's most probably true for the non-European, will likely not be able to attend; that's not an issue) 7) Do you care more about Free Software or Open Source? Just to be clear: there's no wrong answer. But it helps understand why you contribute to projects like openSUSE. Questions to specific candidates, related to their platform: Chuck: where do you think we could lead, instead of copying? Sebas: what needs to be more transparent in openSUSE? Kostas: do you have examples of "motives" we can give to people so they participate in the project? Peter: leaving you some more time for your platform :-) Henne: not really a question related to your platform, but to your experience on the board. What could be improved in the way the board works as of today? (btw, it's not a way for me to try to get the current board blamed in any way: we all know things can always get improved, and time usually helps with that) Also, can I get a dodo? Sankar: some of your long-term tasks are partly technical (make openSUSE an attractive development platform, make the distro accessibility-friendly). How do you think the board can help with that? Nelson: can you develop a bit more on the 'anti burnout' campaign? What would it consist of? I wish you all the best for the election :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Team report aggregation
by Karsten König 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Hi, right now all the teams spread their meeting results or news flashes to alot of different places, blogs, mailinglists etc. reports(a)suse.de seems to be some suse internal dedicated place to collect team reports, something similar would be nice. IMHO an automatically archived list is a good place, most teams already have some mailreadable form of results of their meetings anyways and it makes it easier to collect that. Using the wiki might not be future proof in case of layoutbreaks, can be seen pretty impressivly here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_Meetings It is very easy to add an emailadress as cc instead of remembering which blog to push it to as well, so the overhead is kept low. Also it might start a form of competition for readable output of the teams, we at kde for example usually try to summarize the topics outcome, most bugbot reports just list topic changes, this carries roughly as much information as the meeting announcement... I assume the openSUSE news team might be interested to have something like this, it allows for easier identifying hot spots etc. Any ideas? Cheers, Karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Election Page
by Raul 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Friends, There is a page that shows all the candidates? o/ -- Raul Libório http://rauhmaru.blogspot.com/ rauhmarutsªhotmailºcom openSUSE Member | Linux User #4444581 "There are only 10 types of people in the world - Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Warlordfff's Election Platform
by Kostas Koudaras 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Hello world This is my election platform, please take a look. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010_platform_warlordfff It's nothing fancy but I think it's interesting and I'm sure it's honest. Your comments and questions are more than welcome. Thanks in advance Kostas Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] where do i go and vote
by Shayon Mukherjee 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Hi openSUSEans, I have a quick question. Where do I vote for the election or for the candidates ? Cheers ! S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Sankar's Platform for openSUSE Board Election 2010/11
by Sankar P 12 Jan '11

12 Jan '11

Hi Geckos, My openSUSE platform is available at: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010_platform_psankar Please read through it and let me know if you have any questions/feedback/comments. If my agenda is appealing to you, I ask you to vote for me. Thanks. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] My Board Election Platform
by Henne Vogelsang 11 Jan '11

11 Jan '11

Hey Geekos, I just finished my election platform and want to share (some of) it with you. To read the whole thing go to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010_platform_hennevogel I tried to condense this mail to the major points. --------------------------------------------------------------- What I think are the major challenges for the openSUSE Project: --------------------------------------------------------------- Over the past couple of years the whole project has worked tirelessly on bringing everybody to equal footing and making it technically and socially possible to contribute. Making this possible was always the biggest issue on my agenda and still is. [You can find my track record on the wiki] And now that we are nearly there I think that we have the next big battle ahead of us: Making people actually use the power we provide them with. On the code level this works okay'ish: distribution and infrastructure contributions are on the rise but on the project level I see harsh weather ahead. We need to make sure that we as a community organize and stand together and have all hands on deck. Everybody that deeply cares about this project now needs to stand up, take responsibility and carry this project. And that effort is what I think the board needs to lead in the future. [What I deem important day to day tasks for the openSUSE Board you can also find on the wiki] ---------------------------------------------- What I would like the role of the board to be: ---------------------------------------------- I like that the openSUSE Board, by definition of the Guiding Principles, are no dictators but great communicators in the project. We don't dictate we facilitate. Yet we are (somehow) effective. This is something most other project's don't dare to do and I'm proud that we are able to pull this off! Yes it takes sometimes longer, yes it involves discussing everything (sometimes two or 15 times) in our group at length but it's the only way I would like, and feel comfortable with, to be represented as Member. That's how I want the board to continue. ----------------------------------- Why I think you should vote for me: ----------------------------------- 1. I will (continue to) gather people that will take responsibility in this project. 2. I will (continue to) push for an independent openSUSE community including an foundation that is fully controlled by us and that represents our interests. 3. I will (continue to) be a great communicator that mediates between, connects and unites people in this project. I count on you to vote for me so I can further push the board and the whole project forward into our future together with all of you. Thank you in advance! Henne -- http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: LinuxTag geht an die Startlinie
by Michal Hrusecky 09 Jan '11

09 Jan '11

LinuxTag CfP deadline is nearby, unfortunately most of the text is in German > Short LinuxTag 11.-14.Mai 2011 Berlin > Cfp ends 25th January! > Main topics should be E-Publishing, Android & MeeGo, Server Cosnolidation. > Cross Desktop & Cross Distribution Track > Admin Track: Information about mjor releases from the developer > other talks can be accepted to. > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > > Betreff: LinuxTag geht an die Startlinie > Datum: Freitag 07 Januar 2011, 13:23:02 > Von: "Abbou, Yasmine" <Abbou(a)messe-berlin.de> > > > PRESSE-INFORMATION > > LinuxTag > 11. bis 14. Mai 2011 > > LinuxTag geht an die Startlinie > > - LinuxTag vom 11. bis 14. Mai 2011 in Berlin > - Call for Papers läuft noch bis zum 25. Januar 2011 > - Schwerpunktthemen: E-Publishing, Android und Serverkonsolidierung > - Rund 200 Vorträge zu allen Open-Source-Themen gesucht > > Berlin, 7. Januar 2011: Der LinuxTag, Europas führende Fachmesse und Konferenz > zu Themen rund um Open Source, findet vom 10. bis zum 14. Mai 2011 zum 17. Mal > statt. > > Bis zum 25. Januar können Experten für einen der 200 Konferenz-Vorträge auf > dem LinuxTag Vorschläge einreichen. Zwanzig Themenbereiche hat das > Programmkomitee dafür unterbreitet, weitere können gern vorgeschlagen werden. > Themen-Schwerpunkte sind E-Publishing, die Mobilplattformen Android und Meego > sowie Serverkonsolidierung. Ebenfalls auf der LinuxTag-Agenda stehen > klassische Tracks wie Kernelthemen und Netzwerke, die ein besonderes Augenmerk > auf die bevorstehende Einführung von IPv6 richten sollen. > > Nach Angaben des britischen Marktforschungsunternehmens Canalys erreichte > Android als Smartphone-Betriebssystem im dritten Quartal 2010 einen weltweiten > Marktanteil von 25,5 Prozent. Anfang Dezember verkündete Android- > Chefentwickler Andy Rubin auf Twitter, dass täglich 300.000 Mobiltelefone > ausgeliefert werden, die das offene Betriebssystem als Basis nutzen, das unter > der Federführung von Google entwickelt wird. Daher räumen die Veranstalter > diesem Thema einen besonderen Platz in der Konferenz ein. > > Das Organisationsteam des LinuxTags, das seit 15 Jahren ehrenamtlich die > Konferenz auf dem LinuxTag ausrichtet, arbeitet mit Experten sowie erfahrenen > Anwendern zusammen, die von Trends und Neuerungen rund um Linux und seine > Lösungen berichten. Frameworks bilden die Grundlage für fast alle Anwendungen, > soziale Netzwerke sind eine der wichtigsten Anwendungsklassen. Das Web- > Deployment widmet sich der Frage, wie Applikationen gewartet und aktualisiert > werden können. > > Linux für Unternehmen > In Zeiten des zaghaften Aufschwungs fragen sich viele IT-Verantwortliche, wie > sie ihre Infrastruktur einerseits skalierbar, andererseits auch effizienter > gestalten können. Dazu sind stabile Virtualisierungstechnologien, > Managementwerkzeuge und Monitoring notwendig. Der LinuxTag zeigt, dass Linux > und Open Source zukunftsweisend sind. So sind auch Unternehmen und > Organisationen auf dem LinuxTag präsent, die von erfolgreichen Open Source- > Strukturen berichten. > > > Für Administratoren und Community > Neu im Programm ist eine Vortragsreihe, bei der sich IT-Experten gezielt > Neuerungen in wichtigen Softwarepaketen widmen. So erfahren Administratoren > kompakt und direkt von den Chefentwicklern, welche Features neue Major- > Releases bieten und wo sich ein Upgrade lohnen könnte. > > Communitys haben ein großes Gewicht auf dem LinuxTag. Im neuen Track "Cross > Desktop/Cross Distribution" präsentieren Entwickler Vorschläge, die nicht nur > eine einzelne Oberfläche oder eine Linux-Geschmacksrichtung betrifft, sondern > die die Zusammenarbeit mehrerer Projekte erfordert. Das trifft auch für die > Bereiche Datenschutz, gesellschaftliche Fragen und nicht zuletzt auch auf das > Whistleblowing zu. Diese Form der Veröffentlichung von korruptem und illegalem > Handeln nimmt zu, somit beteiligt sich der LinuxTag an der Diskussion über > Offenheit, Offenlegung und ihren Methoden. > > Eine vollständige Liste aller vorgeschlagenen Themenschwerpunkte und der > Rahmenbedingungen enthält der Call for Papers > (http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/vp:Call_for_Papers). > > Interessenten können bis spätestens zum 25. Januar 2011 ihre Vorschläge für > Vorträge unter https://vcc.linuxtag.org/ einreichen. Die Webseite ist durch > ein Zertifikat des Projektes Cacert besonders geschützt. Bis zur genannten > Frist sind eine prägnante Inhaltsangabe des geplanten Vortrages und eine kurze > Selbstbeschreibung ausschließlich über die oben genannte Adresse einzureichen. > > Zum LinuxTag 2010 kamen fast 12.000 Teilnehmer aus Community und Unternehmen. > 43 Unternehmen und 75 freie Projekte gaben einen Überblick über die > Leistungsfähigkeit und den aktuellen Entwicklungsstand im Bereich Freie > Software und Betriebssysteme. Auf dem internationalen Fachkongress mit über > 300 Vorträgen machten hochkarätige Keynote-Speaker aus dem internationalen > Open-Source-Umfeld deutlich, dass der LinuxTag zugleich Leitkongress der > Branche ist. > > Über den LinuxTag > Der LinuxTag ist Europas führende Fachmesse und Konferenz zu Themen rund um > Open Source Linux und freier Software. Die viertägige Veranstaltung findet > seit 1996 statt, seit 2007 jährlich auf dem Berliner Messegelände. Sie bietet > Aktuelles für professionelle Benutzer, Entscheider, Entwickler, Einsteiger und > die Community. Neben dem freien Vortragsprogramm und dem Business- und > Behördenkongress speziell für Unternehmen und öffentliche Institutionen > umfasst der LinuxTag traditionell eine Ausstellung mit Projekten und > Unternehmen aus dem Open-Source-Umfeld. Der Verein LinuxTag e.V. ist der > ideelle Ausrichter der Veranstaltung und führt sie gemeinsam mit der Messe > Berlin GmbH durch. Mehr Informationen unter: www.linuxtag.org > > Pressekontakt: > > Messe Berlin GmbH > Michael T. Hofer > Pressesprecher > und Leiter der Presse- und Öffentlichkeitsarbeit > der Unternehmensgruppe > > LinuxTag > Jenny May > Pressereferentin > Tel.: +49 30 3038-2295 > Fax: +49 30 3038-2296 > presse(a)linuxtag.org > www.linuxtag.org > > > Fachkontakt: > LinuxTag e.V. > Nils Magnus, Programmplanung > magnus(a)linuxtag.org > www.linuxtag.org -- Michal HRUSECKY SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xFED656F6 19000 Praha 9 mhrusecky[at]suse.cz Czech Republic http://michal.hrusecky.net http://www.suse.cz

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE for Tablets
by Kim Leyendecker 08 Jan '11

08 Jan '11

Hello friends! I read an article in the "Kölner-Stadt-Anzeiger" about the CES in Las Vegas and some tablets. So I think, why we don´t distribute openSUSE for Tablets. I mean, KDE for tablets is always there and we can do a lightweight kernel and then we´ve got the system. Firefox and Thunderbird for the internet things and ready is openSUSE Portable. What do you think about this? kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker(a)hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 KDE This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] What happened to the opensuse foundation Mailing List?
by Kostas Koudaras 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

At the 15th of December,at the meeting at #opensuse-project channel we agreed to built a mailing list named opensuse-foundation(a)opensuse.org so that we will open a dialog about the openSUSE foundation. So far nothing happened,can anyone tell me why? Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Tumbleweed zypper test
by Greg Freemyer 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Greg KH <gregkh(a)suse.de> wrote: <snip> > greg k-h > > p.s. tumbleweed is working right now for those who wish to try it out on > an 11.3 based system... It's not working for me. I don't have any issues with other repos === > sudo zypper lr # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh --+-----------------------------+-------------------------------------+---------+-------- 1 | KDE:Release:45 | KDE:Release:45 | Yes | Yes 2 | Main_Repository_(DEBUG) | Main Repository (DEBUG) | Yes | Yes 3 | Packman_Repository_1 | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 4 | openSUSE-11.3_Contrib | openSUSE-11.3 Contrib | No | Yes 5 | openSUSE_11.3_KDE_Extras_45 | openSUSE_11.3_KDE_Extras_45 | Yes | Yes 6 | openSUSE_Tumbleweed | openSUSE:Tumbleweed (openSUSE_11.3) | Yes | Yes 7 | repo-11.3-non-oss | openSUSE-11.3 Non-OSS | Yes | No 8 | repo-11.3-oss | openSUSE-11.3 OSS | Yes | No 9 | repo-11.3-update | openSUSE-11.3 Updates | Yes | Yes But: > zypper se -s git | grep -w 'git ' v | git | package | 1.7.1-1.14 | x86_64 | openSUSE-11.3 OSS v | git | package | 1.7.1-1.14 | i586 | openSUSE-11.3 OSS i | git | package | 1.7.1-1.11 | x86_64 | (System Packages) doesn't show an available version of git in tumbleweed and I think it is supposed to. Also tumbleweed is repo 6, but when I try to do a dup from it I get nothing. (I've tried this several times before, it has not yet worked) > sudo zypper dup --from 6 root's password: Retrieving repository 'KDE:Release:45' metadata [done] Building repository 'KDE:Release:45' cache [done] Retrieving repository 'Packman Repository' metadata [done] Building repository 'Packman Repository' cache [done] Retrieving repository 'openSUSE_11.3_KDE_Extras_45' metadata [done] Building repository 'openSUSE_11.3_KDE_Extras_45' cache [done] Retrieving repository 'openSUSE-11.3 Updates' metadata [done] Building repository 'openSUSE-11.3 Updates' cache [done] Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Computing distribution upgrade... Nothing to do. ============== Let me know if I can troubleshoot this some more. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] OpenSUSE weekly news
by Суренков Савва 04 Jan '11

04 Jan '11

I want to make a PDF-version of the magazine "OpenSUSE weekly news"(in Russian). Who can I contact to make this magazine an official? -- rm -Rf /* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Nomination for openSUSE board candidature
by S.Kemter 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

Hi, Am Donnerstag 16 Dezember 2010, 11:35:00 schrieb Thomas Schmidt: > Hi Sirko! > > You have been nominated by Nelson Marques to run for a position in the > openSUSE board. [1] The board has 2 seats to be elected in january 2011. > [2] > > This is your chance to have a major word in leading the openSUSE project. > It would be great if you step up for candidacy! I already have thaught about it. > To do so, please announce your candidacy until January 4th. [3] and published my candidacy already in my personal blog. http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2971 > > If you have any questions, please contact the election committee at: > election-officials(a)opensuse.org > and we will gladly help you. > > Greetings > > [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board > [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 > [3] > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010#Phase_0:_Notification_ > of_Intent_to_Run > > Greetings br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Applying for a Board seat!
by Nelson Marques 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

Dear all, I hereby state my will to apply to a 'board seat' on the upcoming openSUSE Board Elections for the year of 2011. The main reasons that took me to take such position are mainly related to some flaws I've seen on the Project and that I hope to be able to help the openSUSE Community to overcome them during the next year. I will release further information during the campaign period to sustain my claim as a contestant to openSUSE Board. Some minor information about me is available on my user page[1], which might be outdated. I hope I can be the ideal candidate to all of those who want a 'dreamer' and a believer in the openSUSE Board, and specially someone who fears nothing or anyone on this world. I wouldn't be surprised though if I had zero (0) votes, which makes my application to the spot symbolic. [1] - http://en.opensuse.org/User:Ketheriel Nelson Marques. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Election: I (Sankar P) Intend to contest
by Sankar P 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

For the openSUSE 2010 elections, I intend to contest. I work for Novell (but not in the SUSE division) as of now. I will be competing as a Novell employee in this election. I shall provide more details about my manifesto during the campaigning period. You can find more information about me from my blog and from the member page http://en.opensuse.org/User:Psankar Thank you -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Chemnitzer Linux-Tage
by S.Kemter 03 Jan '11

03 Jan '11

Hello, I already did the registration for the booth Chemnitzer Linux-Tage. http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2011/ I also made 3 proposals for workshop/talks. But there can be more! Think on it its already on the weekend in the release week for 11.4, let us use that event for making a big push. The deadline ends on 5th means in 2 days! br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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