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[opensuse-translation] openSUSE 11.0 EULA
by Kálmán Kéménczy 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

Hi there, When will be available the openSUSE 11.0 EULA for translation? thanks kalman --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-translation] gnome-packagekit (Re: opensuseupdater-gnome: openSUSE 11.0 - POT file update wanted)
by Gabriel 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Stanislav Brabec <sbrabec(a)suse.cz> wrote: > You don't need my magic, if you want to start with translation of actual > version. My magic is useful for merging upstream translation from the > latest version to the old version we have in released products. > > My tool does not yet support pushing strings back to upstream, however > it's planned feature. > > Even if will, translation in two places creates a lot of additional > work-flow problems: > - Needs remerge > - Does not provent duplicated work > - Need handling of each conflict in translation that can happen, if two > translators did the work in parallel. Person performing the merge > cannot give answer, not knowing all languages. > * Is it only simple difference and both translations are correct? > * Is it a typo fix on Novell side? > * Is it a typo fix on upstream side? > * Is it a typo introduced by Novell? > * Is it a typo introduced by upstream? > * Is it a conflict in translator's opinion? > There is no algorithm to decide, which of the conflicting translations > is correct. > > Not providing translation back is a bad approach of Ubuntu, which > duplicates the translation effort. > > I am not a person organizing translations. I am only a package > maintainer, who did some voluntary translation in past. > > But from my aspect of view, it would be simplest to translate directly > in upstream. > > Upstream strictly requires conforming to national translation > conventions and a responsive contact person. If translators don't want > to (can't) use SVN directly (and ask for commit permission to GNOME > SVN), then they may use SVN submit contact person in Novell, who knows > SVN and who will submit translations back. Keeping contact person e-mail > is mandatory. > > I can imagine even a very simple automatic tool, which will extract > translation from the Novell database, verify the translation by gettext > tools and merge it back to upstream as soon as possible, and another > tool, which will extract upstream translation and put to Novell > database. > Simple authorized web page for translators: > Fetch upstream translation Check and commit to upstream > > Merging bad translations back to upstream without providing any contact > person for the fix is even worse than forking them: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2007-September/msg00254.html > I completly agree. If we want to collaborate translating it, the right way would be do it upstream. -- Kind Regards

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Re: [opensuse-translation] gnome-packagekit (Re: opensuseupdater-gnome: openSUSE 11.0 - POT file update wanted)
by Carlos E. R. 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-04-24 at 17:29 +0200, Stanislav Brabec wrote: I'm sending his reply to the list, because although he did email it to the list, it doesn't seem he is subscribed. > Carlos E. R. wrote: > >>>> Upstream strictly requires conforming to national translation >>>> conventions and a responsive contact person. If translators don't want >>>> to (can't) use SVN directly (and ask for commit permission to GNOME >>>> SVN), then they may use SVN submit contact person in Novell, who knows >>>> SVN and who will submit translations back. Keeping contact person e-mail >>>> is mandatory. >> >> Interesting. > > I forgot to say: The standard way of using version control systems, is: > - Check out > - Edit > - Commit > > To prevent conflicts, time between check-out and commit should be as > short as possible. > > If you keep the SVN (CVS) snapshot during editing, the version control > tool takes care that you will never overwrite another person's work. If > you get reject (because somebody did a change in time between), it is > your responsibility to merge. => If you want to prevent large rejects as > much as possible, edit fresh version, and commit often. Merging of 1000 > new translations, when somebody else translated another 100 might be a > nightmare. > > On the other hand, if somebody did 1-line fix in time between, there is > a high probability, that SVN will merge the change for you without a big > effort. > > Look at po file header. If you see, that nobody edited the file for > years, there is low risk of conflict when you start editing. If somebody > edited it several times in last month, you should be aware and contact > person, who works on it it. > > >> We (translators) could help translate upstream projects in between >> opensuse releases. For example, I have an email from a sourceforge >> translation project, I'll ask them if I can repost it here, in case >> anybody is interested. > > Well. Probably the best approach would be: > > - Help upstream to make translation as complete as possible in time of > (their) release date => Our box product will have a good translation, > not depending on date of the version freeze in OpenSUSE. > > - For later update of maintained products, pick latest upstream > translation, run magic scripts, which will try hard to merge new > translations to the old product. Then help with completing it in > Novell/openSUSE. It will add as much as possible from new translation > teams, and the amount of work to make it complete will be lower. > It is questionable, whether it would be interested for upstream. > If upstream has GNOME 2.22, then probably nobody cares about translation > of GNOME 2.18.1 or even GNOME 2.12. > > -- > Best Regards / S pozdravem, > > Stanislav Brabec > software developer > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec(a)suse.cz > Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 > 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 > Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ > - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIESIgtTMYHG2NR9URAv09AJ41EIqtlupMATKGO85nyhwklyn1yQCfeSqz eCY4/J0XTFceZpvCNKD8jUE= =G/D7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[opensuse-translation] New coordinator of the Polish l10n efforts
by Stanisław Małolepszy 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

Hi, I would like to ask for the SVN access for Piotr Krakowiak, the new coordinator of the openSUSE localization team for Polish. l10n team: Polish wiki account: piotr_krakowiak email address: piotr.krakowiak(a)suse.pl Please keep the access rights for other translators, if possible (Wadim Dziedzic and me). Thank you, --Stanisław -- Stanisław Małolepszy +48 600 462 291 http://www.informationisart.com/stas

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[opensuse-translation] Update page?
by Khoem Sokhem 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

Hello All, Does this page: http://i18n.opensuse.org/stats/trunk/km/ updated regularly? Because yesterday I committed some updated translations but it seems not right for me. Thanks, Sokhem --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation] Renaming packages-ncurses/qt (trunk/11.0)
by Karl Eichwalder 23 Apr '08

23 Apr '08

I once again must rename some packages: packages-ncurses -> ncurses-pkg packages-qt -> qt-pkg Later the day, we probably can start the 1st translation cycle for 11.0. Stay tuned, I'll send another announcement. -- Karl Eichwalder R&D / Documentation SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation] Verbum - Glossary
by Gabriel 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I managed to find the time to implement this. Though it's on its earlier stage, it would be great to have some feedback now, so it's easier for me to make the changes. Btw, I would recommend you testing with real terms, because it's on the 'production' site. PS: search doesn't work yet. PS2: is read only for restricted users. Kind regards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIBSdZNHr4BkRe3pIRCMEiAKCIygkdON5VW0gZuu5aJ9fMFbVD7gCeJMqi 0iD4S5SL++f+RfjaIiXpMN8= =G7IA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation] Localized software.opensuse.org -- it is possible?
by Marek Stopka (M4r3k) 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

Hi guys i want to translate software.opensuse.org page into Czech... it is possible to do that? Webpage will show language by Accept-Language Header What you think? I think it would be great to have localized software.opensuse.org portal. Maybe we can create a new branch for this web-page related stuff at i18n.opensuse.org but it is not really necessary. -- S pozdravem / Best regards Marek Stopka Official openSUSE community member Kontakty / Contacts Mobil/Cell phone: 774 59 79 40 E-mail: mstopka(a)opensuse.org WEB: www.m4r3k.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation] a great doubt about pot files on the svn repository
by Leandro Regueiro 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

Are the .pot files of the svn repository up-to-date????? Bye, Leandro Regueiro --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-translation] To make sure
by Khoem Sokhem 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

Hello All, Now all the latest POT summitted to SVN? I have updated (SVN UP) and saw that some files updated. Could anyone make me sure about this? Thanks, Sokhem --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-translation+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-translation+help(a)opensuse.org

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