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[opensuse-project] call for joining BUG, the Barbaria Users Group
by Druid 26 May '07

26 May '07

Hi there, Im here proudly to tell you people that we, the BUG founders, just founded the Barbaria Users Group an openSUSE Users Group. Its one of a kind openSUSE group, and I believe a pioneer group. So whats BUG, what is an openSUSE users group? I will tell you, curious people. We have a mission statement in our founding page: "The BUG is an Opensuse Users Group. The goal of BUG is to help opensuse development and adoption". Straight and simple, just like we all are in BUG. We are all long time SuSE users, big fans, and we will always be here, giving support and setting things straight in the openSUSE world. We are friends with the Bavaria Users Group (BvUG) and the Sparta(aaaaaa) Users Group (S[aaaa]UG). But we are not satisfied with the current amount of members. We are growing! And we want YOU in BUG! BUG with us! Do you have the profile to join us? Well, I do hope so, because this is an invitation. An invitation to join us. We are very relaxed we have few (none?) obligations for the members. Feel free to add yourself to our members list in hour mother-site, the home of the braves: http://en.opensuse.org/BUG We are not many (yet). But we are noisy and full of energy. And we are stubborn and we fight the good fight, in a constructive way. We are real warriors. see you in openSUSE Marcio Ferreira --- aka Druid BUG Pioneer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Guiding Principles
by linuxnoob＠wi.rr.com 26 May '07

26 May '07

I think the Guiding Principles is lacking because it does not reference the whole of the OpenSUSE community, specifically, the various forums that serve it. Here's what the Guiding Principles WIKI pages currently says: "Communication Infrastructure Working on free software is based on effective communication on different levels. This is actively facilitated with platforms driven by the project such as the Wiki, mailinglists, IRC or Bugzilla." -- "Guiding Princples" document on the wiki, 1 PM CDT, 2007-05-25 http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de has 29,541 members as of today, http://www.suseforums.net has 19,493, and http://www.opensuse.us has 2852. That's not even mentioning the non-English speaking forums. While there is some account overlap there (I have an account on all three), I think that leaving the forums out of this cuts out a chunk of users who don't follow the OpenSUSE mailing lists or IRC. I'd like to see the following changes: 1. Refer to the forums in the Communication Infrastructure section. 2. Add the various forums in the "Appendix" section as part of the "discussed in the public community" line. Someone should post the resulting draft in each OpenSUSE forum for forum-member feedback. I would be happy to do this for SUSE Forums.net, SUSE Linux Support.de, and OpenSUSE.us. Someone else would need to tackle the non-English forums. 3. Going along with #2, once the forum members have responded, collect the data and return it to the ML, IRC, or wherever it needs to go. As long as I'm told what to do with the data, I'd also be willing to handle this for the aforementioned 3 English forums. ~~ Andrew D., aka andrewd18 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Guiding Principles
by Cornelius Schumacher 25 May '07

25 May '07

Some members of the openSUSE team at Novell sat down and tried to write down the guiding principles of the openSUSE project. A first draft of the result is attached. It can also be found at http://en.opensuse.org/Guiding_Principles. The guiding principles include sections about what the projects is, what its goals and values are and how the project is governed. Our intent was to capture what the project actually is and what is current practice, not to invent anything new. We hope that this document can help clarifying what openSUSE is all about within the community as well as within Novell. The guiding principles contain the proposal of a board of maintainers for the openSUSE project. We see this board as another step to an open development model which includes the whole openSUSE community, inside and outside of Novell. Please take the current document as a draft and let us know what you think about it and how it can be improved. In the end we would like to come to a version which has broad acceptance and is adopted by the community and Novell. We hope that this can serve as a solid base for the future of the project. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum(a)suse.de>

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Re: [opensuse-project] nasm | yasm
by M Harris 23 May '07

23 May '07

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 23:28, Jonathan Arsenault wrote: > Can you please leave > this one alone as you obviously do not understand its scope and have > nothing to contribute to it. And another thing... I have been monitoring this project list for two months straight... and have received *many* contradictory signals which would lead me to believe that the major players in this list do not agree as to its scope and context... in fact, one individual just a few short days ago told me that this list was the proper venue for certain social [OT]... and another individual spoke up and said, "why not," and others vehemently decried the entire attempt and were outraged that a troll had descended upon there sacred ground shod in dusty sandals. You are right of course... how could I possibly understand the scope... and who in the world is there to teach me? -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] nasm | yasm
by M Harris 23 May '07

23 May '07

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 23:28, Jonathan Arsenault wrote: > This belong to the -factory mailing list Not here. Can you please leave > this one alone as you obviously do not understand its scope and have > nothing to contribute to it. Thank you. I am learning new things every day, and I appreciate your help. > Look like out legion of troll are finding it already :( Use French. Ps... oh, I remember you... wanted in all 48 continental United States (and Quebec, and Ontario) for snotty posting... I even have your picture here somewhere.... -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] nasm | yasm
by M Harris 22 May '07

22 May '07

Can we add the nasm | yasm packages to the CD distribution for 10.3 opensuse. The packages are on the DVD, but they are missing from the CDs (at least on 10.0). (if possible) Thanks. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] about the fud speculation thread
by Druid 22 May '07

22 May '07

Hi First of all Im posting in a separate thread because Ive jsut subscribed to the list, which is a thing I did not want, as I dont see many things get done via mailing lists,and having one more even, meh. But well, since some people asked me and since Ive been reading stuff in the lists.opensuse.org, here I am. I know you people are going to love, because Im a lovable person. But lets get to the point. Here it goes, and its about mharris post and bad attitude: I dont know what exactly do you want. I cant understand. You always post lots of bad news about Novell, that are based on speculation and I really dont understand how exactly this helps the project. Can you explain how is this helping the project? I fail to see. I dont see any proposal, any action, anything useful coming from those threads, all I see is that it wastes people's time. People that do useful things, that take actions, rea actions, in opensuse. The reason there is always not a single positive result about yours and others threads is that you people are doing it with the sole purpose to "release your stress" by bashing someone, in a topic that will probably get som support from others, even if they dont understand, because the favourite sport of the season, it seems, is to bash novell and opensuse. People like you releasing and posting news like you that pretend to know things like you are rotting the discussions. People that you say that know better, that your news are based on facts known by lawyers. The news you said that are facts like the one saying novell violates gplv2 and should stop distributing linux. Those are facts right? It wasnt speculation, or fud, it was 100% facts right, like if I was looking at the sky and saying it is blue. I know "forget" that, as it is convenient. And if its 100% correct, why not forward it to a suse list and take a shot on novell right? It will be a stress-release activity, people will know me ("I need public attention"), that cant go wrong. People on the list that if they care they probably already know about it, as it is in any lkinux news site. Yeah, sounds like a damn good idea. And now you take it to here, which is a place that Ive heard from pals that IS WORKING. That get things done. Why? To waste people's time in here too? I will be a bit paranoia mode nonsense and ask here: do you want all this damn project to fail as a whole? Your actions seems to indicate exactly that. People cant see other people doing positive things that they need to come right away and bash and criticize them. Its a damn shame. That is when I look at those colaborative projects an think "it will fail". Because nocive people like you can and are successfully disrupting the activities of the project. And you say you would take it to another list? That would be excellent, but I doubt (and bet) you wouldnt take it to another list, because you like the attention it draws over you, it makes you feel special, right? You would never post it to a list for that, because here and in opensuse@opensuse it irritates dar more people right? Of course I dont expect anything different as replies to my email than people complaining about my language or addressing completely different things from my topic in this email, as its the usual, and its even more disappointing... Heck, I dont even think people will address any of the points of this email. Disappointed with mankind. Marcio --- druid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUSE Vouchers Have No Expiration Date! (Unlike MS's Patent Bullying)
by M Harris 21 May '07

21 May '07

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070518124020691 Groklaw covers the story... "No wonder, as Moglen puts it, Microsoft has been tossing the vouchers wholesale out of airplanes "as though the coupons themselves were hot, as indeed they are". But now here comes Moglen saying even that won't work, because of the lack of an expiration date on the vouchers." -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE PR on Novell
by Francis Giannaros 19 May '07

19 May '07

On a good note, I'm really happy to hear that some discussions have been going on about Novell marketing with regard to openSUSE. It would be really nice if we could know the results of those discussions. I thought I'd just raise http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/comparative.html also as one of the items that needs to be changed. "Linux users and technical enthusiasts, experienced computer users and community developers" There also seems to be some other misconceptions in that comparison, like "Retail" instead of mentioning online download as well. A little unsure about the "limited availability" of security patches. These are guaranteed, right? Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] survey draft for 3rd party software on openSUSE
by Michael Loeffler 17 May '07

17 May '07

Hi, we created a survey -still draft version- with the goal to get better knowledge about the usage of proprietary 3rd party sofware we ship with some versions of openSUSE. Based on the survey we'd like to decide about what we ship in future versions of openSUSE regarding proprietary software. Please have a look at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/Users/33889499/Surveys/413433852485/CC07C39C-76… and give feedback on the list. After incorporation of your feedback we'll announce the survey to get broad feedback. Best Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nuremberg SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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