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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE PR on Novell
by Kai Ponte 15 May '07

15 May '07

On Mon, May 14, 2007 3:50 pm, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Monday 14 May 2007 03:44:30 skrev James Tremblay: >> you probably installed it for them giving them the upper hand on "Joe User" >> in regards to dealing with the package manager. No one is disputing that >> once it's installed openSUSE is the most wonderful and usable distro available. > > I'm a little split here - I can accept that Novell marketing says it's for > enthusiasts. Non-enthusiasts can use it with a little > enthusiast-hand-holding - and exactly the same goes for MS Windows or Ubuntu > when it's not preinstalled and preconfigured. Even then - whether Wintendo, The Cult of Mac or SUSE - the "average" user will easily get lost and need some hand-holding. > > Do the enterprise users install and configure the system themselves? I'd think > they have some admins for that. No, they have low-paid college techs for that. > What percentage of MS Windows users > install > their own operating system? I'd be surprised if it were greater than 2-3%. > To some extent any not-preinstalled OS is for enthusiasts, but that's no > reason to discourage people from using it. > > Dell and Ubuntu are saying the same thing about Ubuntu - that it's targetting > the enthusiast market. It's when Novell people say it's "bleeding edge for > geeks" that they really cross the line and my blood starts to boil. Agreed! That is pretty stupid on the part of Novell. But then this is the same company which trumpeted Netware 4.0 as "better" than the 3.x series. Maybe some of the same marketing clods are working there. > > I don't agree with Justin Steinman that we are worse than neither Ubuntu nor > MS Windows wrt. stability or usability. We certainly have room for improvement, but those products damn sure do too. > > My point of view is that Novell people don't seem to realize the quality > openSUSE has to compared to other free as in beer distros with regular releases. There's absolutely no reason not to recommend it. > > Of course 10.1 was a disaster ...actually only the Beagle thingy (still a problem in 10.2) and Zen (still a problem in 10.2) are disasters. The rest seems to work fine. > but any sane person will have repressed > that > from their memory. And there's no reason to believe problems of that magnitude can re-occur. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project launch: openSUSE Software Portal / Application Manager
by Pascal Bleser 12 May '07

12 May '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (sorry for the somewhat exhaustive list of recipients, just trying to spread the word and hunt for participants) We had our kickoff openSUSE Software Portal project meeting today. The goals are to provide the best possible end-user experience with regards to package installation/upgrading at large. The idea is to provide several software components and services: * a server backend that aggregates various kinds of information * a web client, including one-click installation (yast2-mpp) * a desktop client (GTK/Qt/YaST) More information about the project: http://en.opensuse.org/Software_Portal http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2007/05/project-launch-opensuse-software-porta… Basic infrastructure is set up, so if you want to join the effort (any help is more than welcome), please subscribe to our mailing-list [1] We're definitely looking for Java/Python/YCP developers, web designers, artwork designers, and people with ideas, suggestions, and motivation. [1]http://forge.novell.com/mailman/listinfo/appinstaller-devel Please spread the word ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <pascal.bleser(a)skynet.be> <guru(a)unixtech.be> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRk8Hr3NMWliFcXcRAnufAJ9fU68sxeaKL8NoKKYWQRtuQKGRZQCdGHeU A/HjKGDtiVefXYQ9AjU6Kmg= =JH/6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-wiki] New Download Page
by Nikolay Derkach 11 May '07

11 May '07

В сообщении от Friday 11 May 2007 16:12:36 Martin Schlander написал(а): > > > - I fear the way it looks now people with support for 64bit will feel > > > they must get the 64bit version. Which is likely to cause them a few > > > problems they would not face if they installed the 32bit version. > > > > Like what? > > Honestly if there are problems running 64bit stuff on a 64bit system > > then these problems should be reported and we should try to fix them. > > Little things that are not really fixable by a distributor. If it causes problems for you it's worth to report bugs, for others x86_64 system works fine. BTW: other disributions indeed have more biarch issues. > - There are more x86-packages. Subjective point, wrt. main repositories, Build Service and main external repos have packages for both architectures. > - w32codecs don't work with 64bit players (I believe). Of course you can > play almost everything with free codecs these days, but still.. Wrong, it works for me. > - Java apps such as limewire or azureus tend to cause problems Again, report bugs... > - tarballs compile more often without problems on 32bit I think, A user should not compile, this is packager's work. > - biarch can cause some problems, people must remember to keep 32bit > firefox to have working java webplugin. I don't use ff, but in konqueror java apps do work. > > Stuff like that.. Summary: we should decrease number of 32bit packages on biarch systems as far as possible. -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ltsp on openSUSE
by James Tremblay 11 May '07

11 May '07

I have just completed the first set of installation instructions for LTSP on Opensuse 10.2 Could I ask that those interested in using this give it a try. Could I also ask the LTSP devs to give it a try. I know opensuse is foreign to most of you but your input on what is missing and what can be done to finish it up would be deeply appreciated. Cyberorg and I are in the #opensuse-kiwi forum at irc.freenode.net daily starting around 6:30 am EST and there until somewhere around noon. schaefi is the core dev for KIWI and he can be left messages in the forum pertaining to things that need to be done to the chroot and kiwi in general. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Novell CNE 3\4\5 CLE \ NCE in training. http://en.opensuse.org/education --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More bad PR from Novell
by Francis Giannaros 10 May '07

10 May '07

So I have to rush out, but once again, some Novell PR guys have done it again. This time it's from Bruce Lowry, who druid was in correspondence with precisely about this issue! He appeared to understand the problem and said that they're working on changing that. Nevertheless, directly from his blog http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=326 we have: * "openSUSE is targeted at the technical enthusiasts who want a cutting-edge distribution to sample the latest and greatest Linux technology." I'm quite angry again so I won't email him straight away; perhaps later. :) Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] <sigh>.. more explaining needed wrt. MS-deal
by Martin Schlander 10 May '07

10 May '07

Today some information that's new to me and apparently to most others surfaces. Apparently the patent-part of the deal does not _only_ cover customers. Our good friend Justin Steinman says: "... in order to deliver the interoperability between Novell eDirectory and Microsoft Active Directory, as well as the bidirectional virtualization between Windows and SUSE Linux Enterprise, Novell required sanctioned access to Microsoft's code in order to develop open source interoperability without violating Microsoft's intellectual property." http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/archives/2007/05/novell_confirms.html Now the eDirectory and Active Directory part I don't care much about - though I wonder how I missed this information before. I thought I had followed the debate pretty closely. But what's really concerning is that to me it seems like he's saying XEN (or at least the Novell edition) will be covered by MS "intellectual property" in the future. Can someone explain this to me. It would be nice to be prepared when people start attacking us again. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-wiki] KDE vs GNOME default FAQ
by Francis Giannaros 10 May '07

10 May '07

On 5/8/07, Frank Sundermeyer <fs(a)suse.de> wrote: > On Monday 07 May 2007 09:00, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > > Hi, > > > So, how should we phrase the FAQ? Here's one proposal. > > > > Q: What is the default desktop of openSUSE - GNOME or KDE? > > > > A: openSUSE supports a number of popular desktop environments, > > including GNOME and KDE. During installation, the user is asked to > > choose between GNOME and KDE but no default is given. Both desktop > > environments are mature and feature-rich, which one a user choose is > > a question of personal taste. > > since nobody objected, I put it onto the FAQ page: > > http://en.opensuse.org/Faq#What_is_the_default_desktop_of_openSUSE_-_GNOME_… > > -- > Regards > Frank Looks great; thanks Frank, Aj. One thought that just came to me though, why not change the first sentence to say: "openSUSE supports a number of popular desktop environments, including GNOME, KDE, and Xfce." What do you think? Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] "Legal" help for FAQ:Novell-MS
by Martin Schlander 08 May '07

08 May '07

A couple of people are trying to write yet another MS-N FAQ to try to diffuse some of the misunderstandings and FUD, which continue to hurt openSUSE. http://en.opensuse.org/FAQ:Novell-MS One common misunderstanding is that Novell and MS are now friends and partners in general, can someone confirm: 1) That Novell still have litigation againt MS in the US about WordPerfect? 2) That Novell are active wrt. the current EU case against MS (mentioned here: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267898,00.html) Any other input that could help would also be appreciated. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Community Meeting: Package Manager Redesign on Saturday May, 12, 2007
by Justin Haygood 08 May '07

08 May '07

This meeting is to discuss the initial stages of the package manager redesign (see http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Manager_Redesign). What: Package Manager Redesign domain discussion Where: IRC #opensuse-project, Saturday May 12, 2007: 20:00 GMT S(http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=5&year=… Who: Java programmers, MySQL developers, Artwork people, Packagers, web designers, anyone else interested (SUSE employees, etc..) Topics: * Definition of the project: goals * Domain of project: what it should provide, usecases and solutions * Initial planning (what we want in initial revision, what we want ready by OpenSUSE version X) If you want to help make OpenSUSE the best desktop platform in regards to adding, removing, and searching for applications (our focus is on applications, not packages for this project), you should come. Some decisions already made: 1. Java backend for the metadata service, maybe for frontend 2. MySQL 5.0 database Other decisions have yet to be made, so come! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Multimedia support ie. aasy installation
by Rajko M. 07 May '07

07 May '07

It could be easier for new users with interest in multimedia to have system up and running if retail version can include applications complied with that support. The survey shows that most of participants obtain openSUSE via download. 1) is it possible that if retail box would offer MM and maybe few other goodies for extra price that it would be much more popular? 2) Is it so expensive or legally impossible to have media applications that work out of the box? 3) Is it possible that "Multimedia openSUSE" can fit a bill for the OEMs and users that don't want to hunt versions with MM support enabled? The present situation is in a long run bad for both financial or adoption goals. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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