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[opensuse-project] openSUSE IRC - call for participation
by Benji Weber 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Greetings All, It was suggested I also post the content of my 'blog entry[0] on this list, so here you go. The #suse channel on the freenode IRC (Internet Relay Chat) network is one of the places users can go to get support with openSUSE. The channel has suffered a little over recent months from the loss of some regular participants. Since the opening of the openSUSE project many of the channel regulars have become involved in other areas of the openSUSE project, leaving less time for user support on IRC. While the regular participants may have decreased, the throughput of users seeking help shows no sign of abating. There is a danger that with fewer people helping in the channel, users will either not get help or be put off by the attitude of a few in the channel. There are regular complaints from a few about the state of the #suse IRC channel, often as an excuse for not participating. This does somewhat irritate me as it is one of the easiest things to fix yourself. Simply join the channel and participate, even a single person does make a big difference to the whole channel. Complaining helps nobody, and only serves to discourage those who are helping So please join us in #suse [1]. Help, be helped, and have a lot of fun!. =Reasons for being in #suse= * Improve end user support #suse is one of the places users may look for help. It is linked on http://help.opensuse.org, from the desktop, and the openSUSE IRC clients default to joining the channel. IRC, being interactive, gives the opportunity to arrive at a problem diagnosis much more quickly than possible with a mailing list. It also has the disadvantage that no-one may be available or able to answer your question. It supplements the other support fora such as mailing lists & web forums. * Improve channel atmosphere #suse, along with the mailing lists and forums, is one of the parts of the community that new users will come into contact with. Their experience here may dictate whether they continue using the distribution or not, or whether they participate in the project or not. If users do not get their problems solved they may be forced to look elsewhere. If users have a bad experience in the channel, they may be discouraged and look for another community. It is therefore critical that we provide the best possible experience for users in the channel. This is not a policy problem (we have rules and guidelines), but a people problem. The people in the channel define its atmosphere and quality. * Learn new things about openSUSE Even if you think you are a suse expert, you will likely be surprised at the things you will learn by simply watching other people helping in the channel. This will then help you to help others in the future. * Get your questions answered Nobody is an expert in all areas, in addition to helping others you can have your own questions answered as well. * Get to know other openSUSE users. IRC provides interactive chat. With IRC it is possible to socialise and live the suse motto "Have a lot of fun" much more than is possible with other media such as mailing lists. * Learn what the user painpoints are. If you are involved in the openSUSE project, being in #suse gives a special insight into the most common problems users experience. It helps make the problems that need to be addressed in the future clear. =Possible reasons for not joining #suse= * I don't like the channel atmosphere / I've heard it's unfriendly An IRC channel is simply a venue. The atmosphere of the channel is defined by those who are in it and active at any given time. Since there is rarely more than a handful of people active at any time, if you are speaking in the channel then you are pretty much defining the atmosphere. Improving the channel friendliness is simply a matter of joining and occasionally talking. If you encounter someone in the channel being antisocial or in violation of one of the channel rules [2], then contact one of the ops [/msg susehelp ops], who can then take appropriate action. * The channel is too busy. I don't have time to spend in #suse Just being in the channel does not obligate you to talk, help, or even read it. Most of those in the channel will be doing other things, occasionally glancing at the channel. If they happen to see something they can help with they will. If there are enough people doing this then it translates into quite good support coverage, and not much of a timesink. * I don't know enough to help others This is rarely true. Not all questions are of equal difficulty. At least half of user questions are frequently asked questions which can usually be resolved by supplying a bot factoid or URL. As they are frequently asked you will see others answering these questions after spending a little time in the channel, you can then immediately start helping answer these questions in the future by repeating the solution. Of the more difficult questions, there is a scale of difficulty. If you have used openSUSE for any length of time you will probably be surprised how many questions you will be able to answer. __ [0] http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/opensuse_irc_call/ [1] Connect to irc://irc.opensuse.org/#suse [2] http://suse-irc.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21 -- Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project Meeting?!
by Christian Boltz 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Hello, according to the wiki, there is a project meeting scheduled tonight 17:00 GMT - http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2008-03-26 However, I did not see any announcement. [1] Will the project meeting happen or is everybody still on easter vacation? Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Don't confuse this with the KDE (19:00 GMT) meeting which was announced yesterday -- Das Wort "WINDOWS" stammt aus einem alten Sioux-Dialekt und bedeutet: "Weißer Mann starrt durch Glasscheibe auf Sanduhr."(gefunden in d.c.t) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: Acara Edugos di Univ. Al Azhar Indonesia
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

Hello ALl, FYI, Vavai ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: digit oktavianto <digit.oktavianto(a)gmail.com> Date: 2008/3/22 Subject: Acara Edugos di Univ. Al Azhar Indonesia To: Linux User <ilmuikhlas(a)gmail.com>, acc-uai(a)yahoogroups.com, Alkautsar daenk <r_27bmw(a)yahoo.com>, info(a)limasindo.com, Masim Vavai Sugianto <vavai(a)vavai.com>, poss-uai(a)yahoogroups.com, rdc(a)echo.or.id Mohon maaf sebelumnya, jika tidak berkenan dengan postingan ini mohon diberitahukan melalui email ini. Pameran dan Seminar FOSS / Linux Edugos POSS UAI Pendayagunaan Open Source Software Universitas Al Azhar Indonesia mengadakan Pameran dan Seminar FOSS/ Linux dengan tema EduGOS (Education Goes Open Source). Acara ini bekerjasama dengan KPLI Jakarta, HMIF (Himpunan Mahasiswa Informatika) dan Al Azhar Computer Club. Di ikuti pula oleh komunitas-komunitas linux : -> Komunitas Edubuntu -> Komunitas OpenSuse -> Komunitas Echo -> KPLI Jakarta -> KPLI Depok -> KPLI Bogor -> Kelompok Studi Linux Budi Luhur ->IGOS BPPT Kamis, 27 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-11.00 WIB : Demo KDE 4 oleh : Tim OpenSUSE Indonesia Pukul 13.00-15.00 WIB : Wireless Antena Kaleng oleh : Tim Komunitas Echo Biaya : Rp. 10.000 / Materi Jumat, 28 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-11.00 WIB : Animasi 3 D dengan Blender oleh : Tim Kelompok Studi Linux Pukul 13.30-15.30 WIB : Membangun Jaringan dengan LTSP oleh : Tim KPLI Jakarta Biaya : Rp 10.000 / Materi Sabtu, 29 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-15.00 WIB : Seminar Pemanfaatan E Learning sebagai Alat Bantu Pengajaran bekerjasama dengan Nurul Fikri Oleh Romi Satria Wahono (ilmukomputer.com) dan Rusmanto (Pemred InfoLinux) Investasi : Rp 200.000 (H-3) Rp 150.000 (s.d H-4) Pendaftaran Langsung : Kampus Universitas Al Azhar Indonesia Kompleks Masjid Agung Al Azhar Jl. Sisingamangaraja No 1 Jakarta Selatan Contact Person : Digit (0852 16344736 / 0856 9756534) Lita (021 9988 1374 / 0813 98907 100) Regards, Digit Oktavianto -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Commercial : http://toko.vavai.biz Email : vavai(a)vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Game Server Status Alerter"
by debayan 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Thanx a lot for your comment, will do it for sure and post the details here. On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 11:18 -0500, Andrew D. wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a Linux-using gamer and I would love to see a program like that. I think > every 1 minutes might be too much... maybe every 5 minutes with a button for > the user to force a scan might be okay, or at least a configuration screen to > change how often it scans (my network admins at school tend to frown upon > excessive bandwidth usage). > > I'd say go for it and I'd love to hear how it progresses. > > ~~ Andrew D. > andrewd18(a)gmail.com > > > > On Thursday 20 March 2008 02:08:25 pm debayan wrote: > > I am one of those guys trying to spread Linux in the college. I managed > > to create a local repository > > (http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/mukti/repository/ ) which has helped, but most > > of my friends do not want to switch to Linux because they would not want > > to miss the games they play on Windows such as CounterStrike and Age of > > Empires. So i began writing this program which scans the network every 1 > > minute or so for online game servers, and gives a popup alert in the > > taskbar and gives info such as number of players online, IP address of > > the server and the map that is on the server. > > Though quite simple to implement and somewhat lame, its surprising how > > effective it was in bringing new people to Linux. > > I want to do this as a GSOC project. Want to add as many games as > > possible. Will implement multiple scans using threads. I also envisage > > adding features such as chatting on the game server. Would also like to > > add a Gtk+ frontend. Skill required is C/C++ and sockets APIs. What do > > you guys think? Is it a nice idea, or do i need to scratch my head more? > > -- Debayan Banerjee NIT Durgapur, West Bengal, India debayanin(a)gmail.com http://debayan.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Game Server Status Alerter"
by debayan 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

I am one of those guys trying to spread Linux in the college. I managed to create a local repository (http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/mukti/repository/ ) which has helped, but most of my friends do not want to switch to Linux because they would not want to miss the games they play on Windows such as CounterStrike and Age of Empires. So i began writing this program which scans the network every 1 minute or so for online game servers, and gives a popup alert in the taskbar and gives info such as number of players online, IP address of the server and the map that is on the server. Though quite simple to implement and somewhat lame, its surprising how effective it was in bringing new people to Linux. I want to do this as a GSOC project. Want to add as many games as possible. Will implement multiple scans using threads. I also envisage adding features such as chatting on the game server. Would also like to add a Gtk+ frontend. Skill required is C/C++ and sockets APIs. What do you guys think? Is it a nice idea, or do i need to scratch my head more? -- Debayan Banerjee NIT Durgapur, West Bengal, India debayanin(a)gmail.com http://debayan.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Planetsuse.org expired ?
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Hello James, I've checked the domain of planetsuse.org today and found that it has expired. Is it true or am I missed in my DNS configuration ? The domain planetsuse.org has expired. Please contact your domain name registration service provider for further assistance. If you need help identifying your service provider, visit http://domainhelp.tucows.com. -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Email : vavai(a)vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Reliable unmounting of removable media"
by Kobe Young 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

I am interested in participating GSoC. I think it is problematic when we plug in a NTFS usb driver too. I have to force mount it. I just wonder if this could be part of the SoC project. We can provide users with options to mount usb driver which has error log. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] From today's openSUSE board meeting: Who can vote for the openSUSE board?
by Andreas Jaeger 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

We had tonight on the opensuse-project IRC channel a lifely discussion about the board election. The central question was who can vote for the openSUSE board. We haven't come to a real conclusion yet, see below for some of the comments that were discussed. We'd like to continue the discussion here on the mailing list and meet again in two weeks on the openSUSE-project IRC channel. I took the following notes trying to summarize the key points of the discussion: * Who can vote? - every individual can only vote once, so nobody should be allowed to fake several personalities and use them for voting Suggestion: have a public list of voters to check that nobody is listed twice. The list will be closed at a certain time. - basically three different proposals: + only members + anyone + members + non-members members vouch for (web-of-trust alike) The idea here is to have the openSUSE community vote for the openSUSE board. The members are the smallest part of the community that has been appointed by the board, a member is somebody with a continued and substantial contribution to openSUSE. Having just members excludes some parts of the community. On the other hand, it makes fraud easier if everybody is allowed to vote - including people that have nothing to do with openSUSE and just show up to vote for their "friend". * We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election. The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the board, they have to oversee the election. What are others doing? Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of URLs: Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/ Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Proposal: Create development information sharing blog for openSUSE activities
by Andreas Jaeger 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

We - Dirk, Duncan, Zonker, Stephan and myself - had some discussions the last days and I would like to get your input on the following proposal. Thanks, Andreas Problem: Only very few developers working on openSUSE related projects share with others what they are doing and why this is interesting. Blogging is the current way to do this - but many developers understand under blogging more than sharing work stuff. Idea: To lower the barrier for developers to share information (and setting up their own blog at a free hoster), let's create a blog (proposed name see below - for this text "the site") that everybody somehow involved with openSUSE (both external community members and Novell employees - this should be available for all formal "openSUSE members" ) could get an account for sharing technical aspects of the developers work. We should create several categories or tags initially, e.g. YaST, and ask that every blog entry is part of at least one category so that e.g. all YaST blogs can be read together. It should be easy for developers to add tags/categories to their posts. We should also setup for each category some starting page with further information about the category - and pointing to the blog category. I would create a separate instance besides news.opensuse.org since news.o.o is relevant for announcement articles. Real news articles should be send to news.opensuse.org and not to the site, or submitted again on news.o.org referring to the relevant entry of the site. The goals of the site are: - it should be a fully positive and inspiring thing - make clear to not be a latest-gossip-and-whining blog - it is not a "I bought a new digital camera over the weekend" - doesn't have to be fully technical but should center around development, it could be also covering legal aspects (codecs issue, software patents). Exceptions to this will be accepted and if persons blog that much about non-technical stuff, they should move on to their own blog. The site should allow comments from logged in users for the blog posts. Note: For some systems, like wordpress, there are extensions that you can blog in one systems and it shows up at others, so those people that do blog already, could use this to basically syndicate their entry (if appropriately tagged) on the site. How does the site fit into the existing infrastructure? We have: * news.opensuse.org for news and announcements * planetsuse.org as a real aggregator where people related somehow to openSUSE, Novell and SUSE Linux can have their blogs aggregated. The site should get aggregated their as well. * the site: Discussion changes in the openSUSE and Linux universum from a technical perspective * mailing lists, forum: Overlap with the site * en.opensuse.org: A wiki with a more static content than the new site. Outlook: The idea of the site is to be fully development oriented for a project (see labs.trolltech.com). It should be trivial to push out code via a git/svn repository and have reader of the site try it out. Some examples on what influenced us: * http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/ * http://news.opensuse.org * http://www.novell.com/coolblogs All three have several people blogging on different categories as proposed above. labs.trolltech.com is additionally part of a broader development effort. Discussion: How to name the machine? * lizards.opensuse.org - current favorite * developer.opensuse.org * develop.opensuse.org * tech.opensuse.org * labs.opensuse.org - good name but causes confusion with SUSE Labs. Btw. the SUSE Labs developer should use the site as well. * ideas.opensuse.org would have been a good name, but it is already taken. * knowledge.opensuse.org * research.opensuse.org * brainfood.opensuse.org * developernet.opensuse.org * playground.opensuse.org Thanks to Zonker for inspiring me to think about it - and to Dirk, Duncan and Stephan for good discussions. -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive!
by Jordi Massaguer 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Good luck with your exams! You've doing a very good job with the News. It takes more time than one may think, right? and you've been releasing it each week! I'd love to collaborate but I do not have enough time, either. Sorry. jordi massaguer i pla http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/ ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Francis Giannaros <francis(a)opensuse.org> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Enviado: miércoles, 19 de marzo, 2008 12:39:00 Asunto: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive! Hi guys, The just-published weekly news issue, issue 14, will probably the last one that I can realistically do for some time, as my final year exams are getting close. It would be really great if someone -- or better, a few people -- could take on the task of keeping it going during that time. If a few people just maintain one or two sections then we'd basically be there. Dl9pf and Beineri (on IRC) have already agreed to help as well. Here is how I suggest running it, and any extra information that might be of help: * Prepare on Tuesday, ask for proof-reading and coordinate on #opensuse-project and publish early Wed * Template of Weekly News at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News/Template -- will update later today * Status Updates: ** YaST from yast-devel mailing list ** Distribution from -factory ** Packaging from -factory ** Wiki/Communication from -project list * Planet SUSE: ** Select the most relevant/interesting blog posts * Announcements ** Anything other than meetings listed on opensuse-announce or news.opensuse.org * Statistics ** Beineri handles this section * Security Updates ** Posts from opensuse-security-announce mailing list * In the Press: ** Collect Links during the whole week ** Google Alerts for 'opensuse' is very helpful here ** search digg,[0] tuxmachines, news.google.com, blogsearch.google.com for "openSUSE" * In the Community: ** Any news specifically community-related. ** Include the latest People of openSUSE article. * Past Meetings / Upcoming Meetings ** opensuse.org/Meetings will have upcoming meetings. See the opensuse.org/Meetings/Archive page for old ones * Tips and Tricks ** Ask anywhere for ideas, generally try to use ones from the wiki, as they increase collaboration and can be improved/updated easily if need-be. ** Avoid very in-depth/super-technical articles. General use-case is a normal user, though slightly advanced things (i.e. today's editing configuration files) are not so bad. Announce to: ** news.opensuse.org using the template ** opensuse-announce mailing list ** Update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News ** http://en.opensuse.org. If you don't have permission to edit the home page, ask one of the sysops[1] I will probably be around on Tuesday for a bit to help too, but I would rather hand things over now than at a time when I won't be around at all. [0] This feed can help: http://digg.com/rss_search?search=opensuse&area=all&type=both&section=news [1] http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&user… Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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