On 2008-02-26 18:25:23 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Discussion: How to name the machine?

* lizards.opensuse.org - current favorite * developer.opensuse.org * develop.opensuse.org * tech.opensuse.org * labs.opensuse.org - good name but causes confusion with SUSE Labs. Btw. the SUSE Labs developer should use the site as well. * ideas.opensuse.org would have been a good name, but it is already taken. * knowledge.opensuse.org * research.opensuse.org * brainfood.opensuse.org * developernet.opensuse.org * playground.opensuse.org

how about "devblog.opensuse.org" to make it very clear what it's all about?

how about using news.o.o for that? we dont need a new hostname for every new topic. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 2008-02-26 20:44:39 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Marcus Rueckert writes:

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On 2008-02-26 18:25:23 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Discussion: How to name the machine?

* lizards.opensuse.org - current favorite * developer.opensuse.org * develop.opensuse.org * tech.opensuse.org * labs.opensuse.org - good name but causes confusion with SUSE Labs. Btw. the SUSE Labs developer should use the site as well. * ideas.opensuse.org would have been a good name, but it is already taken. * knowledge.opensuse.org * research.opensuse.org * brainfood.opensuse.org * developernet.opensuse.org * playground.opensuse.org

how about "devblog.opensuse.org" to make it very clear what it's all about?

how about using news.o.o for that? we dont need a new hostname for every new topic.

How do you want to separate it? Please see my original email where I differentiated them, they do have different target groups,

tagged articles. just as we would differentiate them on planetsuse with the other proposals in this thread. just adding a new domain because the topic is slightly different doesnt really help. and we could interest new users for the technical stuff when keeping it on normal news.o.o. darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 15:02 +0000, James Ogley wrote:

...and don't forget my plan to make it possible to block feeds on Planet SUSE. I'm planning on working on this on Friday this week - a person could choose to block all feeds from users who don't actually work for Novell for example (if they really wanted to).

Sorry if this is redundant with what you are doing... anyway, I hope it's useful :) In planet.gnome.org we show this little paragraph:

Don't like what someone usually posts? Remove them from your personal display of Planet GNOME.

And there's a link to this: http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome That page has instructions on how to remove people, depending on the web browser you use. Federico --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 18:27 +0000, James Ogley wrote:

Yeah, I read that when I started thinking about this, I'm planning a slightly more user-friendly version that will appear to the reader of the site more akin to saying your "Like" or "Don't Like" something in the Facebook news feed.

Oh, ok! Does Planet Suse use the same software as Planet GNOME? It would be interesting to contribute that back to the generic Planet software... as planets grow, there's invariably someone whom you don't like to read :) Federico --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 19:24 +0000, James Ogley wrote:

It does indeed and I fully intend to pass it upstream if I can pull it off :)

Kick ass. Go go go! :) Federico --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 26 February 2008, Marcus Rueckert wrote:

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how about "devblog.opensuse.org" to make it very clear what it's all about? how about using news.o.o for that? we dont need a new hostname for every new topic.

it is not a new topic, it is a different target audience. the blog entries there are not supposed to be about finished or finalized stuff - it might be something as simple as "I've updated libfoobar to 2.0 which is exciting because it supports bla now" (which could also qualify as a news item, although not being interesting for 80% of the people) but also unfinished ideas or experiments done during his usual day-to-day work (for example YaST UI dialog changes in an experimental branch). This is not really stuff for news.opensuse.org (target: press/news hungry users) but for devblog (target: interested community sw engineers and co-workers). Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Benji Weber wrote:

It generally seems like a good idea, some people do complain and not subscribe to planetsuse due to the ratio between on topic and off topic posts there.

Maybe we can just work or discuss on how to improve the Planet situation. For example, blogs which are 95% off-topic (i.e. not remotely SUSE/Linux related for 95% of posts) are just clearly not appropriate for an open source blog planet (hence people constantly complaining about this on IRC, etc.). Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

"Benji Weber" writes:

On 26/02/2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Idea:

To lower the barrier for developers to share information (and setting up their own blog at a free hoster), let's create a blog (proposed name see below - for this text "the site") that everybody somehow involved with openSUSE (both external community members and Novell employees - this should be available for all formal "openSUSE members" ) could get an account for sharing technical aspects of the developers work. We should create several categories or tags initially, e.g. YaST, and ask that every blog entry is part of at least one category so that e.g. all YaST blogs can be read together. It should be easy for developers to add tags/categories to their posts.

I'm not sure setting up a blog is difficult, there are numerous providers of free blog hosting, some of which require little more than a could of clicks from google to have a blog. Also many people will already have their own blogs and may not want to bother deciding where to post things.

I know it's not difficult but it would lower the barrier for starters since some feel that it's difficult. It also could help to get topic wise more information together and create initially more visibility for a blog.

Also I see a danger of competing with planetsuse.

I suggest to aggregate on planetsuse.

Would it not be better to simply syndicate members' blogs which are tagged or categorised with a certain string. The blog tags are normally included in the RSS feed. Perhaps it would be possible to implement it as http://planetsuse.org/tagname which only shows blogs of that tag, and then create an alias on *.opensuse.org which proxies it?

That looks like an interesting alternative.

Have you already discussed this with James Ogley?

No, I haven't. I wanted to discuss it directly here. Hope James is subscribed. :-)

It generally seems like a good idea, some people do complain and not subscribe to planetsuse due to the ratio between on topic and off topic posts there.

Yes, that's also a problem and this would help. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

"Francis Giannaros" writes:

In general I agree with Benji's comments on this. I like the idea but a "Cool Blogs" kind of setup is counter-productive in my opinion (same post posted in two places), but a "place for developers to easily

Yes, I see the issue with the duplicate posts.

host/have their openSUSE blogs" is a nice idea. It could encourage some developers to blog more. Think: http://kdedevelopers.org style

And that's my goal, I'd like to see more people blogging.

where people are also individually on the feed of Planet KDE.

That would miss the "tagging" part which I consider rather interesting.

I like lizards.opensuse.org too.

;-) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

If we talked about planetsuse.org, some of the content is off topic and out of the openSUSE terms. James would be better to talk in this kind items. I will contact him if he didn't subscribe to this list.

I'm on the list and will post a response when I have to time to put it together in a coherent way :) -- James Ogley, openSUSE Member: GNOME Team and Planet SUSE. riggwelter@opensuse.org http://opensuse.org/GNOME http://planetsuse.org openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 27 February 2008, James Ogley wrote:

"official" openSUSE blog hosting service to get some members/staff doing so then I say go for it (blogs.o.o or lizards.o.o or cantaloupes.o.o - I don't care what it's called, I named Factory so my naming mojo's worn out) and I'll syndicate its users on Planet SUSE.

Well, another solution would be to be able to distinguish off-topic posts from the "this is exciting news from factory development (or any other product development within openSUSE). Perhaps a special tag could already solve that. Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Mandag den 17. Marts 2008 11:00:22 skrev Andreas Jaeger:

Looking over the discussion again, I'm moving forward with setting up lizards.opensuse.org as one option for openSUSE members to host their blogs to make it easier for them to start blogging.

Syndication of the blogs will happen on planetsuse. Let's not force openSUSE members to blog twice or copy articles around.

These days I'm really missing an overview of what's being worked on for 11.0. I think it's very important to be able to track new developments easily. Facilitates marketing, testing and contribution. If noone knows some new feature is there - how can they tell others about it, how can they test it, or how can they contribute in other ways. For example some of our competitors have this: http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_What's_New http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList Maybe this lizards thing should be organized "per new feature" instead of "per person"? Or maybe it could be utilised to inform the outside world of new features in another _structured_ way, which isn't so dependant on the individual developer's interest in blogging. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Dirk Mueller schrieb:

On Monday 17 March 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Maybe this lizards thing should be organized "per new feature" instead of "per person"? Or maybe it could be utilised to inform the outside world of new features in another _structured_ way, which isn't so dependant on the individual developer's interest in blogging.

I also don't think that filtering per author is going to help. The initial idea was to group by theme - so that if you're interested in e.g. Yast-UI, you could watch that feed and see what new stuff is coming up.

Greetings, Dirk

When the plans about openFATE become reality, it would be possible to stay up to date with certain features, or feature categories for example YaST/openSUSE 11.0. So maybe the blog categories can be connected to the latest changes in FATE somehow. -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Internal Tools "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (1952 - 11.05.2001) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Monday, 17. March 2008 20:07:58 Pascal Bleser wrote:

Indeed, by topic would be a lot more useful than by author.

The lizards.opensuse.org site will have of course categories for the blogs hosted there, in analogy the feeds will look like for news.opensuse.org: http://news.opensuse.org/feed Not very useful as everything is supposed to appear on Planet SUSE too. http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/feed/ If you're only interested in certain topics - like YaST. http://news.opensuse.org/author/Beineri/feed/ Individual blog feeds, to be aggregrated on Planet SUSE. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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That's cool, but what about the people who already have a blog ? (and they're aplenty)

As an example, I already have a blog on google (blogger.com) and I don't think I'm going to move over to lizards.o.o -- and I'm clearly not the only one in that situation ;)

Hence the question is how to solve that on planetsuse.org, not on lizards.opensuse.org.

There is a plugin to combine between 2 method while posting an article, manual entry and aggregator entry. Just an example from my personal experience, I have a main blog / website http://www.vavai.com/blog but I have another blog with the specific article, ie : http://java.vavai.com (Java stuff) and http://www.vavai.net (Bridge Blogging). With the plugin in the main blog, I can manually write an article in main blog and in a specific blog (in Pascal situation, it's his personal blog at Blogger). The summary of article in specific blog will be feed automatically by main blog, so everyone just take one RSS Feed to monitor. What I mean, lizards.o.o is main blog and existing personal blog is specific blog. It should be OK rather than kick out an existing blog and take another new or move everything into lizards.opensuse.org Another solution is to maintain specific categories to feed out by planetsuse.org -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Email : vavai@vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 08:50 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"Masim \"Vavai\" Sugianto" writes:

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On 3/19/08, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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That's cool, but what about the people who already have a blog ? (and they're aplenty)

As an example, I already have a blog on google (blogger.com) and I don't think I'm going to move over to lizards.o.o -- and I'm clearly not the only one in that situation ;)

Hence the question is how to solve that on planetsuse.org, not on lizards.opensuse.org.

There is a plugin to combine between 2 method while posting an article, manual entry and aggregator entry.

yes, and that's what we discussed initially - but I'm now not persuing this anymore. This would lead to duplicates on planetsuse.org - and we should aggregate on *one* place,

Andreas

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Pascal Bleser writes:

Stephan Binner wrote: | On Monday, 17. March 2008 20:07:58 Pascal Bleser wrote: | |> Indeed, by topic would be a lot more useful than by author. | | The lizards.opensuse.org site will have of course categories for the blogs | hosted there, in analogy the feeds will look like for news.opensuse.org: [...]

That's cool, but what about the people who already have a blog ? (and they're aplenty)

As an example, I already have a blog on google (blogger.com) and I don't think I'm going to move over to lizards.o.o -- and I'm clearly not the only one in that situation ;)

I won't move myself as well ;-)

Hence the question is how to solve that on planetsuse.org, not on lizards.opensuse.org.

Yes, I understood James that he wants to do something on planetsuse like this, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126