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[opensuse-project] End of life - what does it mean ?
by Klaus Kaempf 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

Hi, there's a vivid discussion on opensuse-buildservice about the consequenses of "end of life" announcements to the buildservice. See http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2008-04/msg00185.html The question was raised if it is possible to keep older distributions available for download (e.g. unsupported.opensuse.org) and building. Adrian pointed to opensuse-project to get this question answered. Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] propose a xen or general virtualization mailing list
by Stephen Shaw 18 Apr '08

18 Apr '08

Here it is henne :) Stephen / Decriptor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Membership cancellation
by Alberto Passalacqua 17 Apr '08

17 Apr '08

Dear All, how can we cancel our openSUSE membership? Thanks in advance, Alberto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-project] propose a xen or general virtualization mailing list
by Stephen Shaw 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

> > "Stephen Shaw" <sshaw(a)decriptor.com> wrote: > > > > > Here it is henne :) > > > > > > Stephen / Decriptor > > > > > An opensuse-virtualisation ML sounds like a good idea. I'm not so sure > > that there would be enough traffic for one of the specific products > > (Xen/VirtualBox/Qemu/KVM/VMware/OpenVZ). I am possibly wrong > > (wouldn't be the first time) but it's my tuppence worth :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Andy > > > > I agree and would really like a list for virtualization. > > Warm Regards, > Claes Backstrom > email opensuse-virtual-subscribe(a)opensuse.org to get on the list opensuse-virtual(a)opensuse.org Stephen Sorry didn't send this to the list the first time --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] End of life - what does it mean ?
by Plinnell 16 Apr '08

16 Apr '08

On Tuesday 15 April 2008 22:37:14 Marcus Meissner wrote: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:34:42PM +0200, Jan-Simon Möller wrote: > > Am Dienstag, 15. April 2008 21:58:29 schrieb Per Jessen: > > > Klaus Kaempf wrote: > > > > there's a vivid discussion on opensuse-buildservice about the > > > > consequenses of "end of life" announcements to the buildservice. > > > > > > > > See > > > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2008-04/msg00185.html > > > > > > > > The question was raised if it is possible to keep older distributions > > > > available for download (e.g. unsupported.opensuse.org) and building. > > > > Adrian pointed to opensuse-project to get this question answered. > > > > > > You said it very well on -buildservice: > > > >>I think we should differentiate between > > > >>- supported > > > >>and > > > >>- available for download/build > > > >> > > > >>I do not see anyone asking for ongoing support and maintenance. But I > > > >>do see requests for availability. > > > > > > I agree completely. I see no reason why the availability of a > > > particular product should be tied to the active Novell/openSUSE product > > > support life cycle. > > > > I agree, too. > > > > And for discontinued releases i would vote for preserving it in the > > build-service one more term (e.g. 10.1 until 10.2 is discontinued). > > So people have the opportunity to softly migrate. > > Btw, > > the buildservice could be used by community members to provide > security update services even after we discontinue it. > > Just needs some volunteers. ;) > > Ciao, Marcus > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, While I would not want to discourage anyone from picking this up - it is a worthwhile goal. I think it is instructive to see what happened to : http://fedoralegacy.org/ I did not participate in that project, but had to admin a few servers running old versions of RH and FC until they could be migrated to newer hardware and a fresh OS. Some comments: Even with the participation of some RH staff, there were only a few dedicated folks to help with packaging and testing. Backporting some fixes in increasingly older versions can be difficult and you can have regressions. From what I observed, the weakest link was testing, in that is was hard get people to test on a variety of systems and platforms. Frankly, while I really did appreciate the legacy teams effort's applying updates, it could be a bit scary knowing how little testing sometimes was done to important bits (mySQL, Apache, PHP and kernels). Especially, when the server is not onsite. Having a choice of applying a possibly botched update or leaving it unpatched is not a happy one. I'm not sure how much support would come from Novell, but I would not be surprised to learn backporting fixes is a major consumer of engineering resources. I seriously doubt this could be done without some major push from Novell. That said, while it might not be a happy choice for all, if you need long term support, SLES/SLED is the way to go. It is not free, but I can say my clients are very satisfied and not one has dropped them for alternatives - even free ones. In sum, supporting this is more than just making some extra space on servers and mirrors, it takes a serious effort by some folks who are above average in packaging and understand security thoroughly - especially on the server side. Just my humble 0.02, Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] STATUS:Communication/Wiki/Events
by Martin Lasarsch 15 Apr '08

15 Apr '08

Hi i have to apologize for not posting for a long time, i was just to busy with conferences etc ... * Events - Linuxtag, 28-31.05 Berlin. A wip page with more information: http://en.opensuse.org/LinuxTag I'm happy to announce that the openSUSE day will be this year on Saturday. We still need support at the booth, please send me an email if you want to help us. - some guys from the LUG Marl will be at the hobbytronic, 16-20.04.2008. Not really focused on openSUSE, but they will spread DVDs and make some talks: http://linuxwiki.de/LugMarl/Hobbytronic2008 * Communication - KDE meeting tomorrow: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Meetings * Wiki - everything on hold until we have an updated wiki version online -- with kind regards, Martin Lasarsch, Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nürnberg GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) martin.lasarsch(a)suse.de - http://www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.0 Countdown
by Pavol Rusnak 13 Apr '08

13 Apr '08

Good news everyone! Billy Juliani sent me beatiful design of countdown timers. I created PHP code which prints numbers into them and the result can be seen here: http://en.opensuse.org/Countdown . We hope you like it. Hyperlink now points to http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap but I can change it to any better page later. It would be great if someone took his/her time and created a new wiki page - with a list of new killer features of 11.0 and call for beta testers - information for community how to test beta releases. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Technical Questions about OpenSUSE
by Hamed Janzadeh 12 Apr '08

12 Apr '08

Hi All, I am a new member in this mailing list. I have some technical questions about Remastering the OpenSUSE. I am wondering if I could ask my questions here, or I have to join some specific mailing lists? My current questions are around adding a new language support in Yast2 and changing the BootSplash in the INITRD of the Installation DVD. Thanks, Hamed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/04/10)
by Rodrigo Moya 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

Factory testing mw updating GNOME to 2.22.1 No big problems found recently Torrent decision Monsoon will be the default client with transmission on the media should people have issues with it GSoC We have some applications, mentors need to pick the best ones mentors, if you haven't registered at http://code.google.com/soc/2008/mentor_step1.html do it now Policy review Not many comments on the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Desktop_Policy) AI: vuntz: send mail to the mailing list about policy review Wishlist review mybudget, mugshot and twitter available in home projects Should be defered until 11.1 because of close to 11.0 Putting packages in G:C should be always the 1st step, to get wide testing Main menu performance work All performance patches submitted to 11.0 Need to be submitted to 10.3 Leak fixes for other modules also done, will be submitted to 11.0 Another 1 or 2 performance weeks for main-menu would help GDM status We're staying with 2.20 for 11.0, 2.22 has some issues still 2.22 branch will be available on the build service Compiz/Xgl update Patch to simple-ccsm to replace appearance capplet patch being submitted soon Move of gnome-xgl-switch to xgl package and gnome-xgl-settings being removed Hardware database will be moved to xgl package also Patch upstreaming update No progress this week, next week back to normal rhythm New but untagged patches are being submitted, please TAG ALL PATCHES!!! AI: rodrigo to send mailing lists patch policy for gnome packages AI: rodrigo to add a note to all .spec files about tagging -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.0 Countdown
by Francis Giannaros 10 Apr '08

10 Apr '08

On 10/04/2008, Yannik Stadelmaier <phos4(a)phos4.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Francis Giannaros schrieb: > > On 10/04/2008, Robert Lihm <rlihm(a)suse.de> wrote: > >> Hej Guys. > >> > >> > >> Is there a "The one and only openSUSE 11.0 Conter" version, which could be > >> announced/placed on the 1. Wiki page? > > > > Hopefully we'll be able to announce the availability of the > > countdown.o.o one on news.o.o very soon (just waiting for the DNS now > > I believe). > > > > Kind thoughts, > > What about this one here: > http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2008/04/110-countdown-banner.html Yes, that's the one that's going to be used on countdown.o.o, though we will also probably link to other countdown ideas as well. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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