April 2020 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse vs opensuse-support mailing list
by ITwrx 28 Aug '20

28 Aug '20

hi, I'm wondering what the difference is between these two lists, or why they both exist/which to use. opensuse English Generic questions and User to User support for all the openSUSE distributions opensuse-support English openSUSE support thanks, ITwrx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for a No-Confidence Vote - Re-Election of the openSUSE board
by Pierre Böckmann 02 Aug '20

02 Aug '20

Dear openSUSE community members, this is a call for a no-confidence vote against the current openSUSE board. We should initiate a poll, asking the community whether it wishes a full re- election of the openSUSE board. Reasoning: In advance of the last board member elections Sarah’s application as a candidate raised concerns regarding the expressed opinion and wording. Those concerns were a matter of discussion on the mailing list with a lot of partly harsh words on both sides. Throughout the weeks before the election and throughout the election weeks Sarah’s application and its wording and expressed opinion had at no point been ruled as violation of Guidelines or the Code of Conduct. There has even never been any discussion about it. If there would have been any evidence or indication of a violation those points should have been a topic and should have lead to ruling Sarah out of candidacy. But for good reasons that has never happened. Despite those mentioned public criticism the *community members decided to legitimately elect Sarah* as a new board member. Later, like Marina states in her mail to the community in behalf of the board, 2/3rds of the board members decided in the weeks after the election to force Sarah to resign from the board due to claimed breaches of the guiding principles and the Code of Conduct of which there has never been any evidence or indication and has never been considered and discussed throughout the weeks before the election and the election weeks itself. Even worse, like Christian stated in an answer to the mentioned board statement, at least parts of the board itself breached the guiding principles and Code of Conduct in a very heavy way which even lead to Christian's decision to step down, too. As a result the community has been very upset about the incidents which are subject to this mail. Criticism and distrust in the board had already been around since Sarah and shortly after Christian resigned from the board but even intensified after the board decided to try shutting down speculations and discussions around the reasons for both to step down with their statement published by Marina. As a member of the openSUSE community those last few weeks and its incidents which became finally public are raising serious concerns about whether the openSUSE board is really still making decisions in the full interest of the complete community or rather is putting its own interests above those of the community and respecting the community's elections and the community's rules itself. Therefore we, as the electing community, should initiate a poll and see whether the needed 20% of the community members are in favor of making a clean new start by re-electing the complete openSUSE board instead. Kind regards Pierre Böckmann P.S. Though a few details have become known, we don't know all of the in-depth details. Therefore I want to assure that this mail is not intended to be disrespectful towards the board and/or its members as well as each individuals work in favor of the openSUSE project and the openSUSE community. Nonetheless we can not and should not ignore what has happened in the last few weeks and the unacceptable nature and disrespect towards the community elections outcome, rules and principles. Additionally I am well aware that not everyone will be happy or be agreeable to my proposal of a full re-election of the openSUSE board. Be assured, I took the time and thoroughly thought out this step and that I think that this proposal is in the best interest of openSUSE as a project and a community. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Upcoming election to backfill a board seat
by Gerald Pfeifer 01 Aug '20

01 Aug '20

Dear openSUSE members, just off today's meeting a brief note that the openSUSE board has unanimously agreed to backfill the open board seat with an election for that vacancy. The next steps will be initiated by our trusted openSUSE election officials. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out! Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Wanted: New hosting for opensuse-community.org
by Martin Schlander 08 May '20

08 May '20

Dear community We need new hosting for the opensuse-community.org website as Bruno "tigerfoot" Friedmann can't host it anymore for personal reasons. If you're not familiar with the site, it's just a basic place for hosting information and one-click installers for multimedia codecs, the YaST Community Repositories "feed" and similar things. For legal reasons it's better to have these things at arm's length outside the official openSUSE infrastructure. However outside the United States I'm pretty sure there should be no legal concerns about hosting this content (note: IANAL). It's been hosted by different individuals in a couple of different European countries for a decade or more now with zero issues. The technical requirements are next to none. Maybe a few megabytes of storage required for static html/css and a few xml files. I assume there's a substantial number of hits/visits, but I don't have statistics. However the files are very small, so the amount of data traffic shouldn't be overwhelming. I'm willing to continue to maintain the content, if I can get access to the new hosting via ftp or whatever. So if you're interested in taking over the hosting, don't hesitate to step up, and Bruno will assist with transferring the domain and any other formalities. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SLE/LEAP/JUMP Packaging Policy ... and one effect it has.
by PGNet Dev 08 May '20

08 May '20

In case anyone's interested in YA-example, I run openSUSE Leap 15.1 & SLE 15sp1. The former, here, is very definitely the feeder/driver of use & adoption of the latter. TW is not at all an option for production. For me, core tech'y that I care about being both stable & modern includes: kernel, systemd (incl systemd-networkd), dracut, grub, Xen, GCC, git & python Options for openSUSE Leap 15.1, from devel repos, are available & packaged for ALL of those -- except systemd. systemd, OTOH, is shipped in Leap15.1/Leap15.2/SLE15sp1/SLE15sp2 as v234 -- lacking modern functionality, & simply broken in places. afaict, ONLY *TW* packages v244/245 ... Trying to get ANY of the updated versions supported on SLE is an uphill battle, at best. OBS builds of v244/v245 for any of those^ platforms are ... challenged; unless I've missed it, I've seen no successful package builds for any of them. There's little/no interest or response from #opensuse-*, inquiries about policy to opensuse-support list (https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-support/2020-04/msg00070.html) are, so far, uncommented. Attempts to report brokenness, with links to known issues & fixes requiring updates, are dismissed as 'feature requests' with the bugs summarily/unilaterally CLOSED. e.g., https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1169476 "... we can't afford to backport a feature each time an openSUSE user is missing one ..." I find that sort of response closeminded & myopic, but I get it -- not my distro, not my rules. Here, a production OS without a modern/fully-functional systemd is of no interest/use to me; despite my personal preference ... Unless/until an Enterprise-production-class Suse* packages/supports a modern systemd, it's no longer a option. Not Leap, not Jump, and not $SLE. What's this mean just for me? We used to be an all openSUSE/SLES shop; _quite_a_few_ hundreds of installs, a small king's-ransom in license/support costs. By end of this quarter, I'll have moved the _last_ bank of (8) *SUSE production servers, and the development desktops that serve them, to other OS. Me, personally? I'll keep _my_ *personal* desktops & servers as franken-Leap instances as long as I can still hack them into submission; we'll see what systemd package's version stance does to my thinking ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Virtual Summit
by ddemaio 01 May '20

01 May '20

Hi all, I just want to let you know that we will have an openSUSE Virtual Summit May 1 and 2 - https://events.opensuse.org/conferences/oSvirtsmt More information will follow in the coming weeks leading up to the summit. As we had to cancel the Dublin Summit, quite a few of the speakers were interested in having a virtual summit if we could make it happen. It looks like we found an option that will works. I'll send out more information once I have it and post it on the summit webpage. I plan to have the schedule ready by April 24. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] bugzilla.opensuse.org (was: Welcome home, www.opensuse.org)
by Gerald Pfeifer 01 May '20

01 May '20

On Mon 2020-04-27, Christian Boltz wrote: > Now we "only" need to move the forums and bugzilla (and of course > also openid), but that are different stories for the next weeks ;-) Moving bugzilla.opensuse.org/bugzilla.suse.com is in the works, with the migration away from Micro Focus planned for May. That one is more tricky since Micro Focus (Novell,...), SUSE, and openSUSE all share one database instance and part of the carve out is to separate out openSUSE and SUSE issues from all others with surgical precision. Christian and one or two others already helped test an earlier export. Thank you! Now there is a public instance available at https://bugzilla-opensuse-devel.suse.de/index.cgi If you spot any REGRESSION (that is, something no longer works) please let me know here TODAY (yes, very tight) and I'll relay. Gerald PS: Full focus is on moving this off Micro Focus, not updating, enhancing, improving yet. So let's focus in the move for now. -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp(a)suse.com>, CTO @SUSE + chair @openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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