On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:47, PGNet Dev <pgnet.dev(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In case anyone's interested in YA-example,
I run openSUSE Leap 15.1 & SLE 15sp1. The former, here, is very
definitely the feeder/driver of use & adoption of the latter.
TW is not at all an option for production.
We do actually have companies using TW, and we could have more if we
published patchinfo for it since we had some interested parties (that's
pending, but it would be cool to figure out so TW is a viable option for
For me, core tech'y that I care about being both
stable & modern
kernel, systemd (incl systemd-networkd), dracut, grub, Xen, GCC, git
Options for openSUSE Leap 15.1, from devel repos, are available &
packaged for ALL of those -- except systemd.
Out of goodness of the hearts of the openSUSE maintainers mind you, not
an officially supported thing in any capacity. Also kind of missing the
point of distros since that's not openQA tested in that configuration.
systemd, OTOH, is shipped in
v234 -- lacking modern functionality, & simply broken in places.
afaict, ONLY *TW* packages v244/245 ...
Trying to get ANY of the updated versions supported on SLE is an
uphill battle, at best.
OBS builds of v244/v245 for any of those^ platforms are ...
challenged; unless I've missed it, I've seen no successful package
builds for any of them.
There's little/no interest or response from #opensuse-*, inquiries
about policy to opensuse-support list
are, so far, uncommented.
Attempts to report brokenness, with links to known issues & fixes
requiring updates, are dismissed as 'feature requests' with the bugs
summarily/unilaterally CLOSED. e.g.,
"... we can't afford to backport a feature each time an openSUSE
user is missing one ..."
I find that sort of response closeminded & myopic, but I get it --
not my distro, not my rules.
Well, yeah, SUSE is a business, surprise, they are doing things that
make financial sense. You can pay them for this work though, buy SLE
subscription and request the thing, it will benefit Leap ;)
Here, a production OS without a
modern/fully-functional systemd is of
no interest/use to me; despite my personal preference ...
Unless/until an Enterprise-production-class Suse* packages/supports a
modern systemd, it's no longer a option. Not Leap, not Jump, and not
What's this mean just for me?
We used to be an all openSUSE/SLES shop; _quite_a_few_ hundreds of
installs, a small king's-ransom in license/support costs. By end of
this quarter, I'll have moved the _last_ bank of (8) *SUSE production
servers, and the development desktops that serve them, to other OS.
Me, personally? I'll keep _my_ *personal* desktops & servers as
franken-Leap instances as long as I can still hack them into
submission; we'll see what systemd package's version stance does to
my thinking ...
There are two ways to get anything done in the openSUSE Project in
my experience, put the work in, or inspire other people so they
want to help you out. This is neither, this sounds more like a
threat of the "if you don't do it, I'm going" kind, which is
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