November 2013 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] opensuse-user not on gmane any more?
by Jim Henderson 19 Nov '14

19 Nov '14

I just noticed today that the gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user group is missing from gmane.org - did the project request the list be removed from gmane? Just wondering if it was intentional or if something went wrong somewhere. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] FOSDEM 2014
by Agustin Benito Bethencourt 06 Jan '14

06 Jan '14

Hi, deadline for lightning talks and stands at FOSDEM is 20th November: https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-09-17-call-for-participation-part-two/ Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 2016 picture
by agustin benito bethencourt 18 Dec '13

18 Dec '13

Hi, following yesterday's mail[1], we introduce some of the ideas we would like to discuss with you in order to create a common big picture we can share. This big picture is relevant in order to define the actions to execute the following months/ years. [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2013-11/msg00094.html What do we want to achieve? Goals ================================= 1) Add focus to increase alignment among contributors. 2) Foster the community and the user base. - Starting from our current community, we want to keep increasing the number of contributors, specially those working on core parts of the distribution/project. - The openSUSE user base needs to grow. We propose to be even more open to new niches. 3) Catalyze openSUSE maturity process. - openSUSE has an interesting number of contributors. Now we think it is time to reinforce our structures. - Having more solid structures/groups will allow openSUSE to assume more responsibilities and deliver. - In general, we think we need few rules but good ones, easy to follow and analyze. 4) Attract new players by becoming more attractive to new players. - The Free Software ecosystem is now full of companies/non-profits that use, deploy, develop and/or understand Free Software and its benefits. - We want to support ideas toward increasing our value for them so they come to openSUSE and become good citizens of the project. Based on these goals, there are 4 aspects we propose to focus on: Enhanced Factory ================ We would like to put effort in Factory in the following direction: * New process getting the best of Factory, Tumbeweed and devel projects. We need everybody contributing in a single point for a single purpose. We are just too few to spread efforts. * Improve development process based on our strengths. What are we very good at? Let's base the new process on that. * Clarify roles and responsibilities. Redesign processes so we increase the community participation in key areas. Teams instead of champions. * More stability and QA. Testing before submitting. Factory should be usable. * Rolling distribution based on release early/release often principle. This proposal will be more in depth described tomorrow on Factory mailing list where we will expand the bullet points mentioned here. Overhauled openSUSE Release =========================== Once we have established the basis, we think we can concentrate in our current user base. That is, end users and non-OS developers that needs a solid base. We see the openSUSE Release focused on two main targets: * A desktop and a server oriented release that target end users that work everyday with their computers. * Using OBS repositories to cover further use cases. - The idea is to initially target developers that need a stable base and tools on top. - Another interesting use case are derivatives. There could be more. Principles that would drive our efforts: * Stability and quality as core values. - We can make the more stable distribution for users based on Green values. * Longer release cycle. * Enhanced maintenance model * OBS can be use in a smart and efficient way to add flexibility to this model. - People that needs stable base but recent version of tools. - New niches: big data, NoSQL, new programming languages, cloud.... Open Governance Model ===================== Our Governance model has improved over the years. We would like to work with the community the following years in taking some steps further. * Technical governance model adapted to our new development processes: very few but clearer rules. Mentoring ecosystem. * Project governance model: evolution from our current model while keeping our core values. More efficient structure to accomplish the project goals. - SUSE role evolution: Owner (2005) -> Main sponsor -> Patron, together with other players. Where can SUSE add value, beyond supporting ideas like the ones described (or others)? Ralf Flaxa in his keynote [2] pointed some ideas where SUSE could complement openSUSE, increasing SUSE's contribution. We would like to hear your feedback about these or other ideas to define how we can achieve this goal. [2] http://youtu.be/fdroo2JZano In summary, we propose to focus in the direction where we already shine: The Linux you work with, for a living. Share your thoughts =================== There are some questions we would like you to answer: 1) Do you agree with the proposed goals? 2) Are there any other aspects relevant in this discussion? Can you summarize them? 3) Which are the major risks you see in this view? 4) How do you think we should proceed in order to go from these ideas to real actions? 5) What suggestions do you have for this "New Factory" and "New Release"? Please add any other comments or ideas you have in this or a separate thread. Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] three necessary steps?
by jdd 18 Dec '13

18 Dec '13

Hello, this is partly related to the discussion about priorities, but I don't want to hijack this other thread. I just wanted to say that I noticed three important blocking steps in my geecko life. I don't ask you to solve *my* problem, but I thing the project in his whole could benefit if more people could pass these steps more easily. * use of bugzilla. I was part of the very first open office french gteam loooooooooooooong time ago, an,d I had to wait several *years* before being able to manage bugzilla. We need still something more progressive to guide new geeckos to make usefull bugzilla reports (I'm not even sure mine are good) * use of the wiki. I started the french wiki and was from the beginning in the opensuse adventure. But when the wiki was re-organised, I stopped completely using it. A wiki is *by nature* unorganised and anyway accessed mostly through google or other search engine. Having to find where to put my participation was relly too difficult. - there is at least a need of better explanation of where do what work. * right now, or better said one year ago I wanted to help a friend developer entering his software (EKD=EnKoderDemixer) in OBS. I was never able to do so. Not for OBS itself, but I don't understand hos to write a spec file. I don't even understand the vocabulary used in the help files.... I compile kernel since nearly 20 years now so I should be able to do OBS. I probably could achieve this if I had not other (family) problems at the same time, but this is anyway a blocking part. Better doc? as I still have this work to do, I may help :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Getting S... Done.
by Klaas Freitag 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

Hi, since it is right now possible to take a breath between the waves of planning I like to share a thought. In the last mails we read a couple of good ideas especially around the distro which are worth to think about and act upon. We also seem to widely agree that a bit more "innovation" would be cool. Topic examples: - Gaming on openSUSE - Clouding with openSUSE - Free Communication, as in "No, thanks, I don't use M$ Skype, but connect my using XYZ on openSUSE". - Documentation ideas - more All of these ideas would now require more investigation and _work_ to get it into Factory etc. pp. We need experts for each of the topics, which we seem to have, and people who want to learn, help and finally contribute. I often think that the missing link seems to be that somebody says: "Hey, I wonna work on 'Gaming on openSUSE', this is the rough idea, how about you help me and we have fun on this?" and people who do not feel able to start such a "big" topic themselves but are interested can say: "Well, yes, sure, if there would be a task for me..." That is what worked in the past. So I wonder if there is anything how we could help this process to work better in our community. These let's call them 'interest-groups' exist, sometimes as one-man shows, but are they visible enough? Can, for example, somebody who would like to spent a little bit of time helping somewhere, find the spots where help is needed? Has ever somebody called for help in openSUSE? How would one do that? I wonder if this can somehow be improved. What do you think? Klaas -- ...und freier Mut gebiert die Tat! Erich Mühsam. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 2016: taking a picture of openSUSE today
by agustin benito bethencourt 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Hi, Once openSUSE 13.1 has been released, it is time for the openSUSE Team to focus on the future. We want to share some ideas we have about the project in general and factory in particular. The topic is not easy. so this mail is a little long and dense, but hopefully worth it. It won't be the last one so let me know how to improve it. INTRODUCTION/GOALS This is the first of a series of mails we will publish the following days with different ideas. The process we are proposing has no intention of pointing at anybody, revisiting the past or enforce any situation within the community. Our goals are: * Share a picture as a starting point of discussion. * Use the discussed picture as a reference to agree on actions we all can/want to execute. FIRST STEP: PIECES OF THE PUZZLE One of the first things we did was digging into numbers that provided us information about the status of the project. Data cannot be the only source to create a complete picture, but it is helpful as first step. In order to better understand the rest of the mail, you probably want to look the following references: * Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers[1] * Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk[2] * First openSUSE Team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE[3] * Second openSUSE Team blog post: More on statistics[4] * Jos post about numbers[5] One important note about the numbers: since most of the behaviors of the variables reflected on the graphs were consolidated, at some point we decided to stop adding effort in collecting numbers until 13.1 was released. Once the Release is well established, we will update them and evaluate the influence of this Release in the global picture. I won't try to go very deep in the analysis. It would be too long. There are many interpretations that can be done based on the graphs. I will just point out the most relevant for our purpose. Feel free to add others. Following Alberto Planas' order from his slides[2]... 1.- Downloads The number of downloads do not measure our user base, but provide hints about the impact of the work done every 8 months, the potential new users we might bring to the project and, looking at pre-release downloads, the number of testers. Taking a look at the graphs, we can see that the overall number of downloads is growing at a slow path (slope). This behavior is not consistent in every release. For instance, 12.1 was more downloaded that 12.2 or 12.3. More and more people uses zypper for updating the distribution though. 2.- UUIDs (installations that update regularly) * Looking at the number of machines that regularly update against openSUSE repositories (daily, weekly and monthly), we can easily conclude that the situation is very stable. The speed of growth (daily and weekly stats) or decline (monthly) is low. * What the graph do not show is the acceleration. It has been negative (small in value) for quiet some time now. * When looking at the architectures, we see that x86_64 is more popular than i586. This behavior is accelerating, as confirmed in the download numbers collected for 12.3 * When looking at the mediums where those installations come from, we clearly see three dominant ones: .iso (dvd version), ftp (net installs) and Live CD. * There is a relevant detail that Alberto mentioned in his talk. More than half, almost 2/3, of openSUSE installations are not using the last version many weeks after Release date. There is also a significant amount of installations using unmaintained or Evergreen versions. 3.- Factory and Tumbleweed installations/"users" Factory is our ongoing development effort. As you can see in the graph, the number of Factory installations is constant. Tumbleweed was very successful when it came out. Many developers and bleeding edge users liked it. Its popularity is decreasing though. 4.- Contributors to factory and devel projects The numbers of users that are submitting request to factory/devel projects is increasing. Now we have more non SUSE contributors. SUSE ones remain constant. The overall growth is about 27 new contributors per year, a little bit more than 2 new contributors per month. 5.- Social media and comparison with Fedora openSUSE is, in the social media channels evaluated, in the range of Fedora. Comparing our numbers, I guess we all agree with this general trend that states that openSUSE is a more user oriented distribution than Fedora is. We have less downloads but more users (installations updating regularly). SOLVING THE PUZZLE All the above pieces shows a stable picture. Every sign of growth or decline is, in absolute and/or relative numbers, small except social media, due to their explosion as communication channels (which I do not think is way different from what other Free Software communities are experiencing). ADDING CONTEXT TO THE PICTURE openSUSE coexist with other "coopetitors" (Free Software competitors + cooperators) and competitors (closed sources distributions). Touchscreens, cloud, big data, games...the Linux ecosystem is evolving and there are new users with new needs. New players are consolidating their positions: Arch, Chakra, Mint... Ubuntu is moving to the mobile space, Debian is getting some attention back from previous Ubuntu users.... On the other hand, some distros that were relevant in the past have disappeared, our 13.1 has got more attention than previous ones, SUSE is healthy and willing to invest more in openSUSE in the future ... In the above context, how is our "stable" situation perceived? How do we think it should be perceived? INTERPRETING THE PICTURE If we agree that the overall number of users of Linux based server + "traditional" desktop OS (let's remove the mobile/embedded space and cloud for now), is growing, not following the "market" growing trend might be perceived as a wake up call, a clear sign that improvements needs to be done. But if we agree that we are playing in a risky and challenging field, stability can be perceived as a healthy sign. After these months of analysis and discussions with both, contributors and users, I would like to ask you if you agree with the the idea that the first picture is more prominent than the second one. But, does the second one provide us a good platform to improve our current position? SHARE YOUR OWN PICTURE Let me propose you some questions: 1.- What other variables we should put in place to create an accurate picture of the current state of the project? 2.- What is the perception you think others have from the project? 3.- What is your perception, your picture? To get some context you might want to take a look at the following contents: * Current strategy[6] * Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13[7] * Jos article: Strategy and Stable[8] * Jos article: Strategy and Factory[9] REFERENCES: Please point us to other relevant references: [1] Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers: http://youtu.be/NwfohZ8RBd8 [2] Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk: https://github.com/aplanas/opensuse-data/tree/master/osc13 [3] First openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/07/04/numbers-is-opensuse/ [4] Second openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: More on statistics http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/08/23/more-on-statistics/ [5] Jos article about numbers: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/on-distributions-numbers-and-breaking… [6] Current strategy: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy [7] Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13: http://youtu.be/fdroo2JZano [8] Jos article: Strategy and Factory: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/07/osc13-strategy-and-factory.html [9] Jos article: Strategy and Stable: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/osc13-strategy-and-stable.html Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Single point of failure : nvidia
by Bruno Friedmann 07 Dec '13

07 Dec '13

With the increasing number of new users, trying out openSUSE 13.1 there's also an increasing complaint rate about the non availability of Nvidia drivers. Why we should care about them, after all they are not free drivers. But as we in the past & recent present offer them by being prepared internally at SUSE then pushed to nvidia people in charge of publishing them. The work done by Stefan Dirsch has always been a great addition to end users that were not able to use nouveau for their daily task. I don't want to talk about philosophy in this tread, I'm only interested by the action, we (community side), openSUSE Team (as favorite SUSE internal point of contact), SUSE, can provide to finally better serve our end users. For 13.1, it look like the package on obs were ready to build since 1st November, so then why we don't have it? Stefan's holidays? Unfortunately this "accident" has already happened in the past, so I feel it's time create some process to be make it impossible to happen. I perfectly know that nothing is easy as it look (license, responsibility etc). So my vision is perhaps naive. 1st idea : Is it possible to have a Stefan's backup internally, who will be able to build the package, and have the keys to forward them to nvidia? 2nd idea : Should the community be in charge of it? We have get some success with the AMD equivalent situation even if everything is not failure proof as I would like. Keep experts of it preparing the package as it is now. Would the repository owner accept sr if some comes like (update, improvements etc)? 2a variant : building this package on packman -> then publish there 2b variant : build it locally (it works) and then publish them somewhere 3rd idea : yours ? Thanks to stay on topic, we just all want a solution. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC14 dates confirmed, IRC meeting on further organization activities
by Svebor Prstačić 02 Dec '13

02 Dec '13

Dear all, The dates for oSC14 have been fixed today, and they are: 24th - 28th April, 2014. I would like to invite all who would kindly help with the organization to an IRC meeting. The proposed date for the meeting to take place is this Friday, November 29th, 17:00 hours CET. The proposed channel is: #openSUSE-project - irc://irc.opensuse.org/openSUSE-project. I am sending the two lists below, which are the proposed table of contents for the meeting. - A short status report is on the first list. - Things we have to start doing, that we really need help with from the community, are on the second list. 1. Things happening, report: - University of Dubrovnik and Suse are preparing a venue contract, -- University of Dubrovnik has confirmed the dates (24th - 28th April, 2014) - Free Software Foundation Europe is interested in puting a booth at oSC14, -- Karsten Gerloff (president of FSFE) is interested in giving a talk. Can we suggest a title? -- Program commitee needs to be formed to decide on this - There is an idea to have a business track at the conference -- Program commitee needs to be formed to decide about this, -- Program commitee would need to define what it would look like (if we will have it) - one day or more days; wanted topics etc... - We have been talking with the Tourist board of Dubrovnik about deals for accommodation. I hope we'll be able to start making bookings in a week or two. -- There is possibility of City of Dubrovnik sponsoring the event - Tomo (in Dubrovnik) is making a list of locations/bars for parties, will post info to choose at some time in the near future. 2. Things we need to start doing quickly - A conference program commitee has to be defined - Artwork and web design is needed - talked briefly with Carlos, he's interested to help, but we need more people to help with this -- We have a local designer, she can help if needed, with suggestions to make artwork local; coordinate production of materials locally if/when needed. - A CMS for the conference web is needed -- We can now publish dates and details about the conference venue so we should get this ready - We need to deploy OSEM (Contacted Henne, we were waiting for the dates) -- We need a logo for this - Call for papers needs to be published - program commitee via mail to -project and news release via news.o.o - Marketing machine has to be put in motion -- We should get the announcement texts ready -- news articles; g+ articles... -- notify tech portals -- openSUSE conference marketing at FOSDEM - is there a plan for openSUSE booth at FOSDEM? - Schedule regular IRC meetings If there is anything else you think should be talked about, please bring it up during the meeting, or before by email. Best regards, Svebor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE board election 2013 - Platform
by Bruno Friedmann 01 Dec '13

01 Dec '13

Dear fellow's members, just a quick message to announce the publication of my platform. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_platform_2013_tigerfoot There's a nice place at the end of the page called "Endorsements" which shouldn't stay empty :-) This is your place, I already thanks any of your support. If there's questions, how does the election committee wish to handle them? Any direct personal will get a personal answer from my side. All the rest here in the mailing list? We all know that any vote counts. Our community can send a strong signal how healthy it is if we have an awesome participation rate this year. So ping your fellows community member friends to participate to the election. Truly yours. -- Bruno Friedmann openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] YaST2 Module Ldap configuration
by Günther J. Niederwimmer 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

Hello, I have a question, is it possible to create and add a *.ldif file in the Packets for the different YasT2 Module that use ldap. I mean this is helpful for all People that use a external Ldap server, now i have to search and mostly i find nothing for The Variables or Index or ACL..... OK, the Yast2 Modules can configure on the same System all,but this is not the best Way when I have to Install first all on one system to find out the changes :(. -- mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards, Günther J. Niederwimmer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 2016: taking a picture of openSUSE today
by Andrew Wafaa 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Hi Agustin, Adding the list back into the discussion. On 27 November 2013 23:12, agustin benito bethencourt <abebe(a)suse.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 27 November 2013 22:09:07 Andrew Wafaa wrote: >> On 27 November 2013 21:11, agustin benito bethencourt <abebe(a)suse.com> > wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > just some clarifications about the discussion process. >> > >> > We will try to answer as many comments as possible, obviously. The >> > openSUSE >> > Team will do this together with me. They will lead the most technical >> > topics from our side. Since both, factory and this ML have several >> > hundred subscribers we will apply some "management" to answer. >> >> Sorry, are you not part of the openSUSE Team? Your signature certainly >> seems to say you are. > > Yes I am. Please read.... "the rest" of the openSUSE Team..... > Excellent, thanks for the clarification. >> >> > Max Lin (with help, I hope), will try to summarize and group (if required) >> > the questions so myself or any other openSUSE Team member answer them. We >> > will also try to make summaries and recap the most significant >> > ideas/comments as overview. >> >> Are the plans to publish the details on the wiki, maybe a read only page? > > Ah, this could be an option, yes. > I'm sure there are other possibilities, the wiki was the first thing off the top of my head. I'm curious as to what tools you plan on using and how the community can help with this task. Improving openSUSE is not just the openSUSE Team's task, it is the community's. >> >> > I am open to hear ideas to handle the process if become bigger. It would >> > be >> > ideal if it become our process. >> >> Not sure I follow. Are you saying you would prefer that the community >> agree on _your_ proposed process? > > I was referring to the communication/discussion process in this sentence. > I think the process of discussion and communication has already been adopted. > Second try... > > If someone is interested in helping to drive the discussion or have ideas > like the one you proposed....please shoot. > >> >> > For many of you the following information is known, but still...in order >> > to >> > clarify the scope of my words.... >> > >> > The following days you will read comments from me making references to the >> > openSUSE Team from my position as Team Lead. You all are aware that >> > sometimes being employees working in a Free Software project is not like >> > contributing as volunteers or being sponsored. But SUSE is a Linux based >> > company with a very open/participative culture. This is not the military. >> > There is room for disagreement.... also in these discussions. ;-) >> >> I disagree, I am employed to work almost entirely within open source, >> it is what you make of it. The tone of your emails do not come across >> as participative, you come across all dictatorial - You have decided >> this is what you want and you are telling us to fall in line. That may >> not be what you intend, but that is certainly how it comes across to >> me - sorry for being honest. > > I appreciate honesty. > > I do not think that sharing ideas, being open to discuss them and willing to > come to conclusions is being dictatorial. Being clear not just about the > content but also about the motivations is one way toward transparency. > Obviously not the only one. > Oh I agree entirely. The problem is you do not come across as wanting to share ideas and discuss their pros/cons. All your communication to date has been very much in the style of "I've got this idea, here take it!" No one wants anything shoved down their throat, we're not geese. > I understand your words as a negative to participate in this process. If that > is the case, let me invite you to reconsider it. Anyhow, I am sure you respect > that others participate and that I keep trying to collect as much > input/opinions as I can. > No you understand incorrectly. I am participating in the discussion, what I am doing here is trying to help you so you don't loose any credibility. One of openSUSE's biggest consistent failings over the last 12 years is communication. We either didn't communicate, or when we did we weren't clear enough; quite often the message that came out was not the intended one due to processes etc getting in the way. >> >> > SUSE in openSUSE is way more than the openSUSE Team, as many of you know. >> > Sysadmin team, OBS crew, maintenance/security..., I do not speak on >> > behalf of them. My responsibilities are limited to the openSUSE Team. >> > >> > But.......we (oS Team) will do our best to bring the needed answers and >> > statements from the qualified people at SUSE if, for whatever reason, they >> > cannot or do not want to participate directly in the debate. This task >> > will be part of the communication management mentioned earlier when >> > required. >> Why would the openSUSE Team answer for the other teams? >> OBS/Security/Legal/Maintanence/Release are already very active within >> the community, so much so that their affiliation with SUSE is almost a >> secondary thought. > > My intention was to clarify who I am not. I am not surprised this information > is redundant for you. You have been around long enough. If it is also for > everybody else, I could have saved one paragraph. But if is not..... > May I suggest in that case for future communication, less is more? Just get to the point, remove the padding. If you have an idea, state it and provide any rationale you have. These multi page emails, make people switch off which is not what we want. >> >> > Thanks for participating. >> > >> > On Tuesday 26 November 2013 20:38:11 agustin benito bethencourt wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Once openSUSE 13.1 has been released, it is time for the openSUSE Team to >> >> focus on the future. We want to share some ideas we have about the >> >> project >> >> in general and factory in particular. The topic is not easy. so this mail >> >> is a little long and dense, but hopefully worth it. It won't be the last >> >> one so let me know how to improve it. >> >> >> >> INTRODUCTION/GOALS >> >> >> >> This is the first of a series of mails we will publish the following days >> >> with different ideas. The process we are proposing has no intention of >> >> pointing at anybody, revisiting the past or enforce any situation within >> >> the community. Our goals are: >> >> >> >> * Share a picture as a starting point of discussion. >> >> * Use the discussed picture as a reference to agree on actions we all >> >> can/want to execute. >> >> >> >> FIRST STEP: PIECES OF THE PUZZLE >> >> >> >> One of the first things we did was digging into numbers that provided us >> >> information about the status of the project. Data cannot be the only >> >> source >> >> to create a complete picture, but it is helpful as first step. >> >> >> >> In order to better understand the rest of the mail, you probably want to >> >> look the following references: >> >> >> >> * Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers[1] >> >> * Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk[2] >> >> * First openSUSE Team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE[3] >> >> * Second openSUSE Team blog post: More on statistics[4] >> >> * Jos post about numbers[5] >> >> >> >> One important note about the numbers: since most of the behaviors of the >> >> variables reflected on the graphs were consolidated, at some point we >> >> decided to stop adding effort in collecting numbers until 13.1 was >> >> released. Once the Release is well established, we will update them and >> >> evaluate the influence of this Release in the global picture. >> >> >> >> I won't try to go very deep in the analysis. It would be too long. There >> >> are many interpretations that can be done based on the graphs. I will >> >> just point out the most relevant for our purpose. Feel free to add >> >> others. >> >> >> >> Following Alberto Planas' order from his slides[2]... >> >> >> >> 1.- Downloads >> >> >> >> The number of downloads do not measure our user base, but provide hints >> >> about the impact of the work done every 8 months, the potential new users >> >> we might bring to the project and, looking at pre-release downloads, the >> >> number of testers. >> >> >> >> Taking a look at the graphs, we can see that the overall number of >> >> downloads is growing at a slow path (slope). This behavior is not >> >> consistent in every release. For instance, 12.1 was more downloaded that >> >> 12.2 or 12.3. More and more people uses zypper for updating the >> >> distribution though. >> >> >> >> 2.- UUIDs (installations that update regularly) >> >> >> >> * Looking at the number of machines that regularly update against >> >> openSUSE >> >> repositories (daily, weekly and monthly), we can easily conclude that the >> >> situation is very stable. The speed of growth (daily and weekly stats) or >> >> decline (monthly) is low. >> >> >> >> * What the graph do not show is the acceleration. It has been negative >> >> (small in value) for quiet some time now. >> >> >> >> * When looking at the architectures, we see that x86_64 is more popular >> >> than i586. This behavior is accelerating, as confirmed in the download >> >> numbers collected for 12.3 >> >> >> >> * When looking at the mediums where those installations come from, we >> >> clearly see three dominant ones: .iso (dvd version), ftp (net installs) >> >> and >> >> Live CD. >> >> >> >> * There is a relevant detail that Alberto mentioned in his talk. More >> >> than >> >> half, almost 2/3, of openSUSE installations are not using the last >> >> version >> >> many weeks after Release date. There is also a significant amount of >> >> installations using unmaintained or Evergreen versions. >> >> >> >> 3.- Factory and Tumbleweed installations/"users" >> >> >> >> Factory is our ongoing development effort. As you can see in the graph, >> >> the >> >> number of Factory installations is constant. Tumbleweed was very >> >> successful >> >> when it came out. Many developers and bleeding edge users liked it. Its >> >> popularity is decreasing though. >> >> >> >> 4.- Contributors to factory and devel projects >> >> >> >> The numbers of users that are submitting request to factory/devel >> >> projects >> >> is increasing. Now we have more non SUSE contributors. SUSE ones remain >> >> constant. The overall growth is about 27 new contributors per year, a >> >> little bit more than 2 new contributors per month. >> >> >> >> 5.- Social media and comparison with Fedora >> >> >> >> openSUSE is, in the social media channels evaluated, in the range of >> >> Fedora. Comparing our numbers, I guess we all agree with this general >> >> trend that states that openSUSE is a more user oriented distribution >> >> than Fedora is. We have less downloads but more users (installations >> >> updating regularly). >> >> >> >> SOLVING THE PUZZLE >> >> >> >> All the above pieces shows a stable picture. Every sign of growth or >> >> decline is, in absolute and/or relative numbers, small except social >> >> media, due to their explosion as communication channels (which I do not >> >> think is way different from what other Free Software communities are >> >> experiencing). >> >> >> >> ADDING CONTEXT TO THE PICTURE >> >> >> >> openSUSE coexist with other "coopetitors" (Free Software competitors + >> >> cooperators) and competitors (closed sources distributions). >> >> Touchscreens, cloud, big data, games...the Linux ecosystem is evolving >> >> and >> >> there are new users with new needs. >> >> >> >> New players are consolidating their positions: Arch, Chakra, Mint... >> >> Ubuntu >> >> is moving to the mobile space, Debian is getting some attention back from >> >> previous Ubuntu users.... >> >> >> >> On the other hand, some distros that were relevant in the past have >> >> disappeared, our 13.1 has got more attention than previous ones, SUSE is >> >> healthy and willing to invest more in openSUSE in the future ... >> >> >> >> In the above context, how is our "stable" situation perceived? How >> >> do we think it should be perceived? >> >> >> >> INTERPRETING THE PICTURE >> >> >> >> If we agree that the overall number of users of Linux based server + >> >> "traditional" desktop OS (let's remove the mobile/embedded space and >> >> cloud for now), is growing, not following the "market" growing trend >> >> might >> >> be perceived as a wake up call, a clear sign that improvements needs to >> >> be >> >> done. >> >> >> >> But if we agree that we are playing in a risky and challenging field, >> >> stability can be perceived as a healthy sign. >> >> >> >> After these months of analysis and discussions with both, contributors >> >> and >> >> users, I would like to ask you if you agree with the the idea that the >> >> first picture is more prominent than the second one. But, does the >> >> second one provide us a good platform to improve our current position? >> >> >> >> SHARE YOUR OWN PICTURE >> >> >> >> Let me propose you some questions: >> >> >> >> 1.- What other variables we should put in place to create an accurate >> >> picture of the current state of the project? >> >> >> >> 2.- What is the perception you think others have from the project? >> >> >> >> 3.- What is your perception, your picture? >> >> >> >> >> >> To get some context you might want to take a look at the following >> >> contents: >> >> >> >> * Current strategy[6] >> >> * Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13[7] >> >> * Jos article: Strategy and Stable[8] >> >> * Jos article: Strategy and Factory[9] >> >> >> >> >> >> REFERENCES: >> >> >> >> Please point us to other relevant references: >> >> >> >> [1] Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers: >> >> http://youtu.be/NwfohZ8RBd8 >> >> [2] Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk: >> >> https://github.com/aplanas/opensuse-data/tree/master/osc13 >> >> [3] First openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE >> >> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/07/04/numbers-is-opensuse/ >> >> [4] Second openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: More on statistics >> >> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/08/23/more-on-statistics/ >> >> [5] Jos article about numbers: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/on-distributions-numbers-and-breaki >> >> ng >> >> .html [6] Current strategy: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy >> >> [7] Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13: http://youtu.be/fdroo2JZano >> >> [8] Jos article: Strategy and Factory: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/07/osc13-strategy-and-factory.html >> >> [9] Jos article: Strategy and Stable: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/osc13-strategy-and-stable.html >> >> >> >> Saludos >> > >> > -- >> > Agustin Benito Bethencourt >> > openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE >> > abebe(a)suse.com >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > -- > Agustin Benito Bethencourt > openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE > abebe(a)suse.com -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Italian cyber monday
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27 Nov '13

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Project Meeting of November 27th, 2013
by Vincent Untz 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Here are the minutes of today's meeting. Cheers, Vincent Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… =========================================== #opensuse-project: openSUSE Project Meeting =========================================== Meeting started by vuntz at 15:00:25 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… . Meeting summary --------------- * action item review (vuntz, 15:05:14) * We need more people for TSP (vuntz, 15:06:48) * We will form a new team to deal with reimbursement of local marketing material production (vuntz, 15:07:05) * openSUSE Summit Summary (vuntz, 15:14:36) * LINK: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting#Meeting_2013-11-22 (robjo, 15:28:36) * Good summary of the summit, read the log for details ;-) (vuntz, 15:31:31) * But in short: it was a good event! (vuntz, 15:31:45) * picture on the Summit G+ page (robjo, 15:32:03) * paste.opensuse.org (vuntz, 15:32:14) * LINK: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin (coolo, 15:37:19) * LINK: https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/1123 (CygniX, 15:39:32) * Please read the candidate platforms and vote when the time comes (robjo, 15:41:20) * LINK: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election (robjo, 15:42:31) * Any other topic? (vuntz, 15:44:30) * do not forget the oSC14 kickoff meeting on Friday (robjo, 15:44:58) * Recently approved openSUSE members who have not received their IRC cloaks should get them in the next few days, assuming their Cloak & Freenode Nick details in connect.opensuse.org are present and correct - contact rbrownccb(a)opensuse.org for help. (Ilmehtar, 15:54:50) Meeting ended at 15:58:00 UTC. People present (lines said) --------------------------- * vuntz (60) * robjo (43) * CygniX (18) * CarlosRibeiro (12) * manugupt1_ (7) * Ilmehtar (5) * coolo (5) * manugupt1 (4) * antlarr (3) * alexandros_ (3) * bugbot (2) * differentreality (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes
by Robert Schweikert 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Hi, It's been awhile. We had canceled the previous meeting due to people not being available and had to move the last meeting from Monday to Friday to accommodate travel schedules. Thus, the last board meeting took place on Friday, November 22nd and the meeting minutes are now posted. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting#Meeting_2013-11-22 As always if you have any questions/concerns/feedback feel free to send a message to the board mailing list board(a)o.o or follow up in this thread. Don't forget to check out the Board Candidate Platforms and vote in the upcoming elections. Thanks, Your openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] How to improve new software introduction?
by Rajko 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

This actually RFC, not a lesson. The gist of a problems in recent times, with so many changes that happen with systemd and more that are coming with Wayland, is that fright train, mentioned recently by Jos [1], often run over us, older users, and indirectly new comers [2]. New users depend on old users for help. Developers can help, but the language they are using in their daily communication to other developers has assumptions about other side ability to understand profession specific idiomatic expressions and acronyms. This language was developed during college (about 4 years) and in practice after that. In other words it is off limits for new to openSUSE without technical background. New stuff that is radically changing system configuration and debugging should have web page based docs that can help people understand changes at much faster rate then what is possible by reading regular documents, like manual pages. Being quiet what you do and why you do that, not preparing diagrams useful for faster learning, is counter productive. Flow and block diagrams can take some time to create, but they can help in transition phase by giving opportunity to technically inclined people to learn how new stuff should work, and more efficiently help new users. Problem is that such diagrams for new stuff can't be prepared by community. Those that understand how it works, have not that much time as openSUSE team at SUSE. Those that don't, need those diagrams :) [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-11/msg00800.html [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00711.html "The totally new user is worse off, because the people they turned to for help are still learning." -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=11&year=2013&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Release notes on doc.opensuse.org out of date?
by Greg Freemyer 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

All, Why are the release notes at <http://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/13.1/> out of date? There is a link straight to that page on the portal: <http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:13.1> Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] MATE Desktop environment on openSUSE 13.1
by Efstathios Iosifidis 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hello mates, Congrats to all for the great 13.1 release. Unfortunately, MATE team didn't make it to the final release. We'll have it ready next time. There's a repository ready for you. You can install MATE Desktop without any pain. Visit our Portal at https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE and click on the 13.1 link. It'll open a ymp file and you can install MATE very easy. As alternative, there are couple of cool SUSE Studio images you can test. Here are the links: http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_32bit http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_64bit Don't forget to add us: Twitter: @opensuse_mate Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/opensusemate Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110057139932804157139/posts Mailing list: http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/opensuse-mate IRC Channel: #opensuse-mate @ Freenode If you have any question or tell us how we can make it better or just drop us a line, we'll be happy to listen from you. Finally, you can see the presentation from openSUSE conference 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-2WSt5cbR4 Have phun, Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://eiosifidis.blogspot.gr http://blogs.gnome.org/eiosifidis http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Announcing candidates for the openSUSE board election 2013
by Thomas Schmidt 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On 18.11.2013 18:21, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > Platform of candidates, is this already available? Hi Carlos, we prepared the platform pages for the candidates, linked from: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Candidates Now it's up to the candidates to use them. Greetings > > Pretty good candidates and i wish all the best for every one > > On Nov 18, 2013 2:55 PM, "Thomas Schmidt" <tom(a)opensuse.org <mailto:tom@opensuse.org>> wrote: > > The openSUSE Election Committee is happy to announce the candidates for this years elections[0]: > > * Richard Brown > * Bruno Friedmann > * Kostas Koudaras > * Sascha Peilicke > * Andres Silva > * Ish Sokuun > * Jörg Stephan > * Andrew Wafaa > > In the election there will be 4 seats to be elected, 2 for a 2 year term, and 2 for a 1 year term. > From today on, the candidates have 2 weeks to do campaign until the election starts. > > Election timeline: > * 2.12. Ballots open > * 15.12. End of voting > * 16.12. Announcement of the results > > All openSUSE members[2] are eligible to vote. > > With Honor > This years Election Committee > Harisankar P S > Izabel Valverde > Thomas Schmidt > > [0] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election > > -- > Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org <http://opensuse.org>) > "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org <mailto:opensuse-project%2Bunsubscribe@opensuse.org> > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org <mailto:opensuse-project%2Bowner@opensuse.org> > -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Factory development
by Jos Poortvliet 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

dear openSUSE Community, openSUSE 13.1 is out, Factory is ready for action. In the coming months there will be more development coming from the SUSE side due to SLE work. We'd like to remind you of the freighttrain(a)opensuse.org mail address, as introduced by AJ in his blog last year [1]. Have a lot of fun, The openSUSE Team [1] http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2012/04/opensuses-freight-train.html

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 13.1 promodvds
by Ish Sookun 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hello folks, openSUSE 13.1 promodvd images don't seem to be available ... or is it me looking at the wrong place? See : http://download.opensuse.org/promodvd/ Regards, Ish Sookun openSUSE Advocate www.openSUSE.org - Geek by birth ... Linux by choice. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |H|A|C|K|L|O|G|.|i|n| +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for volunteers for the TSP
by Robert Schweikert 19 Nov '13

19 Nov '13

Hi all, We are in desperate need for 2 or 3 additional volunteers for the Travel Support Program. The Travel Support Program team decides on allocation of funds for those contributors requesting travel assistance to attend FOSS events, this includes our own events of course ;) There is a general process in place, the guidelines are written up and it is a job of helping to administer the requests, follow up with requesters and SUSE every now and then to see that things are moving. Izabel and Kostas are currently the only TSP administrators and obviously when Kostas disappears to keep Greece from going up in flames Izabel is alone. This is not the best solution, thus we'd like to add a couple of additional people to the team. Please step up, this is an important function to the project and has helped many people in the past to attend events to represent openSUSE that they could have otherwise not attended. If you are interested and want more information about what's going on your best source of information are Izabel and Kostas. Please consider stepping up and helping out. Thanks, Your openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] release is near!
by Jos Poortvliet 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Heya all, The release is nearing. If you want to help in the marketing area, be sure to check out the article about that [1] and help out with our social media plan: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Social_media_launch_plan The idea behind the social media plan is that we have a list of people responsible for certain accounts and they send out the messages we prepared on the wiki page above. If, of course, there is no account for a certain language it is pointless to translate... Help is welcome, both in finding who can and will send those messages and in translation! /J [1] http://news.opensuse.org/2013/10/07/help-promote-opensuse-13-1/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Announcing candidates for the openSUSE board election 2013
by Thomas Schmidt 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

The openSUSE Election Committee is happy to announce the candidates for this years elections[0]: * Richard Brown * Bruno Friedmann * Kostas Koudaras * Sascha Peilicke * Andres Silva * Ish Sokuun * Jörg Stephan * Andrew Wafaa In the election there will be 4 seats to be elected, 2 for a 2 year term, and 2 for a 1 year term. >From today on, the candidates have 2 weeks to do campaign until the election starts. Election timeline: * 2.12. Ballots open * 15.12. End of voting * 16.12. Announcement of the results All openSUSE members[2] are eligible to vote. With Honor This years Election Committee Harisankar P S Izabel Valverde Thomas Schmidt [0] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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