On 11/22/2013 6:16 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-11-22 17:49 (GMT-0800) John Andersen composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Yast isn't done being converted from sysvinit to systemd. Seems lots of people prefer zypper to Yast, leaving Yast with a love deficiency.
Only command line jockeys that post here would give you that impression.
If YAST is dropped, or left to languish, just about every reason for using OpenSuse disappears, especially for the new users.
I didn't mean to imply Yast wasn't important to openSUSE users, only that its conversion to Ruby and Systemd hasn't as of 13.1 had enough resources applied to it to be as complete as it was before either of those conversions began. Previous post I meant to include a Ruby reference, but forgot.
Well the ruby reference wasn't necessary, I believe the conversion project is well known. I'm exactly the opposite of you and Patrick. I configure many machines at the command line, (even when yast is available), things like Samba, firewalls, ssh, Postfix, Cyrus, ftp and web, run level services, etc. I actually prefer doing this to get the tuning just the way I want it, and I'm use to it. But picking and choosing packages that I want to install is where yast really shines, and being able to browse packages en-mas is the beauty of Yast. Its all zypper on the back end anyway. With each succeeding release then creeping levels of nested indirection, (config files become config directory structures, which become mere references to some other entity) the the wholesale replacement of Sysvinit with Systemd everyone is back in a learning curve, and I feel like a newbee again. The totally new user is worse off, because they people they turned to for help are still learning. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org