November 2013 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE 2016: taking a picture of openSUSE today
by Andrew Wafaa 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

Hi Agustin, Adding the list back into the discussion. On 27 November 2013 23:12, agustin benito bethencourt <abebe(a)suse.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 27 November 2013 22:09:07 Andrew Wafaa wrote: >> On 27 November 2013 21:11, agustin benito bethencourt <abebe(a)suse.com> > wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > just some clarifications about the discussion process. >> > >> > We will try to answer as many comments as possible, obviously. The >> > openSUSE >> > Team will do this together with me. They will lead the most technical >> > topics from our side. Since both, factory and this ML have several >> > hundred subscribers we will apply some "management" to answer. >> >> Sorry, are you not part of the openSUSE Team? Your signature certainly >> seems to say you are. > > Yes I am. Please read.... "the rest" of the openSUSE Team..... > Excellent, thanks for the clarification. >> >> > Max Lin (with help, I hope), will try to summarize and group (if required) >> > the questions so myself or any other openSUSE Team member answer them. We >> > will also try to make summaries and recap the most significant >> > ideas/comments as overview. >> >> Are the plans to publish the details on the wiki, maybe a read only page? > > Ah, this could be an option, yes. > I'm sure there are other possibilities, the wiki was the first thing off the top of my head. I'm curious as to what tools you plan on using and how the community can help with this task. Improving openSUSE is not just the openSUSE Team's task, it is the community's. >> >> > I am open to hear ideas to handle the process if become bigger. It would >> > be >> > ideal if it become our process. >> >> Not sure I follow. Are you saying you would prefer that the community >> agree on _your_ proposed process? > > I was referring to the communication/discussion process in this sentence. > I think the process of discussion and communication has already been adopted. > Second try... > > If someone is interested in helping to drive the discussion or have ideas > like the one you proposed....please shoot. > >> >> > For many of you the following information is known, but still...in order >> > to >> > clarify the scope of my words.... >> > >> > The following days you will read comments from me making references to the >> > openSUSE Team from my position as Team Lead. You all are aware that >> > sometimes being employees working in a Free Software project is not like >> > contributing as volunteers or being sponsored. But SUSE is a Linux based >> > company with a very open/participative culture. This is not the military. >> > There is room for disagreement.... also in these discussions. ;-) >> >> I disagree, I am employed to work almost entirely within open source, >> it is what you make of it. The tone of your emails do not come across >> as participative, you come across all dictatorial - You have decided >> this is what you want and you are telling us to fall in line. That may >> not be what you intend, but that is certainly how it comes across to >> me - sorry for being honest. > > I appreciate honesty. > > I do not think that sharing ideas, being open to discuss them and willing to > come to conclusions is being dictatorial. Being clear not just about the > content but also about the motivations is one way toward transparency. > Obviously not the only one. > Oh I agree entirely. The problem is you do not come across as wanting to share ideas and discuss their pros/cons. All your communication to date has been very much in the style of "I've got this idea, here take it!" No one wants anything shoved down their throat, we're not geese. > I understand your words as a negative to participate in this process. If that > is the case, let me invite you to reconsider it. Anyhow, I am sure you respect > that others participate and that I keep trying to collect as much > input/opinions as I can. > No you understand incorrectly. I am participating in the discussion, what I am doing here is trying to help you so you don't loose any credibility. One of openSUSE's biggest consistent failings over the last 12 years is communication. We either didn't communicate, or when we did we weren't clear enough; quite often the message that came out was not the intended one due to processes etc getting in the way. >> >> > SUSE in openSUSE is way more than the openSUSE Team, as many of you know. >> > Sysadmin team, OBS crew, maintenance/security..., I do not speak on >> > behalf of them. My responsibilities are limited to the openSUSE Team. >> > >> > But.......we (oS Team) will do our best to bring the needed answers and >> > statements from the qualified people at SUSE if, for whatever reason, they >> > cannot or do not want to participate directly in the debate. This task >> > will be part of the communication management mentioned earlier when >> > required. >> Why would the openSUSE Team answer for the other teams? >> OBS/Security/Legal/Maintanence/Release are already very active within >> the community, so much so that their affiliation with SUSE is almost a >> secondary thought. > > My intention was to clarify who I am not. I am not surprised this information > is redundant for you. You have been around long enough. If it is also for > everybody else, I could have saved one paragraph. But if is not..... > May I suggest in that case for future communication, less is more? Just get to the point, remove the padding. If you have an idea, state it and provide any rationale you have. These multi page emails, make people switch off which is not what we want. >> >> > Thanks for participating. >> > >> > On Tuesday 26 November 2013 20:38:11 agustin benito bethencourt wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Once openSUSE 13.1 has been released, it is time for the openSUSE Team to >> >> focus on the future. We want to share some ideas we have about the >> >> project >> >> in general and factory in particular. The topic is not easy. so this mail >> >> is a little long and dense, but hopefully worth it. It won't be the last >> >> one so let me know how to improve it. >> >> >> >> INTRODUCTION/GOALS >> >> >> >> This is the first of a series of mails we will publish the following days >> >> with different ideas. The process we are proposing has no intention of >> >> pointing at anybody, revisiting the past or enforce any situation within >> >> the community. Our goals are: >> >> >> >> * Share a picture as a starting point of discussion. >> >> * Use the discussed picture as a reference to agree on actions we all >> >> can/want to execute. >> >> >> >> FIRST STEP: PIECES OF THE PUZZLE >> >> >> >> One of the first things we did was digging into numbers that provided us >> >> information about the status of the project. Data cannot be the only >> >> source >> >> to create a complete picture, but it is helpful as first step. >> >> >> >> In order to better understand the rest of the mail, you probably want to >> >> look the following references: >> >> >> >> * Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers[1] >> >> * Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk[2] >> >> * First openSUSE Team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE[3] >> >> * Second openSUSE Team blog post: More on statistics[4] >> >> * Jos post about numbers[5] >> >> >> >> One important note about the numbers: since most of the behaviors of the >> >> variables reflected on the graphs were consolidated, at some point we >> >> decided to stop adding effort in collecting numbers until 13.1 was >> >> released. Once the Release is well established, we will update them and >> >> evaluate the influence of this Release in the global picture. >> >> >> >> I won't try to go very deep in the analysis. It would be too long. There >> >> are many interpretations that can be done based on the graphs. I will >> >> just point out the most relevant for our purpose. Feel free to add >> >> others. >> >> >> >> Following Alberto Planas' order from his slides[2]... >> >> >> >> 1.- Downloads >> >> >> >> The number of downloads do not measure our user base, but provide hints >> >> about the impact of the work done every 8 months, the potential new users >> >> we might bring to the project and, looking at pre-release downloads, the >> >> number of testers. >> >> >> >> Taking a look at the graphs, we can see that the overall number of >> >> downloads is growing at a slow path (slope). This behavior is not >> >> consistent in every release. For instance, 12.1 was more downloaded that >> >> 12.2 or 12.3. More and more people uses zypper for updating the >> >> distribution though. >> >> >> >> 2.- UUIDs (installations that update regularly) >> >> >> >> * Looking at the number of machines that regularly update against >> >> openSUSE >> >> repositories (daily, weekly and monthly), we can easily conclude that the >> >> situation is very stable. The speed of growth (daily and weekly stats) or >> >> decline (monthly) is low. >> >> >> >> * What the graph do not show is the acceleration. It has been negative >> >> (small in value) for quiet some time now. >> >> >> >> * When looking at the architectures, we see that x86_64 is more popular >> >> than i586. This behavior is accelerating, as confirmed in the download >> >> numbers collected for 12.3 >> >> >> >> * When looking at the mediums where those installations come from, we >> >> clearly see three dominant ones: .iso (dvd version), ftp (net installs) >> >> and >> >> Live CD. >> >> >> >> * There is a relevant detail that Alberto mentioned in his talk. More >> >> than >> >> half, almost 2/3, of openSUSE installations are not using the last >> >> version >> >> many weeks after Release date. There is also a significant amount of >> >> installations using unmaintained or Evergreen versions. >> >> >> >> 3.- Factory and Tumbleweed installations/"users" >> >> >> >> Factory is our ongoing development effort. As you can see in the graph, >> >> the >> >> number of Factory installations is constant. Tumbleweed was very >> >> successful >> >> when it came out. Many developers and bleeding edge users liked it. Its >> >> popularity is decreasing though. >> >> >> >> 4.- Contributors to factory and devel projects >> >> >> >> The numbers of users that are submitting request to factory/devel >> >> projects >> >> is increasing. Now we have more non SUSE contributors. SUSE ones remain >> >> constant. The overall growth is about 27 new contributors per year, a >> >> little bit more than 2 new contributors per month. >> >> >> >> 5.- Social media and comparison with Fedora >> >> >> >> openSUSE is, in the social media channels evaluated, in the range of >> >> Fedora. Comparing our numbers, I guess we all agree with this general >> >> trend that states that openSUSE is a more user oriented distribution >> >> than Fedora is. We have less downloads but more users (installations >> >> updating regularly). >> >> >> >> SOLVING THE PUZZLE >> >> >> >> All the above pieces shows a stable picture. Every sign of growth or >> >> decline is, in absolute and/or relative numbers, small except social >> >> media, due to their explosion as communication channels (which I do not >> >> think is way different from what other Free Software communities are >> >> experiencing). >> >> >> >> ADDING CONTEXT TO THE PICTURE >> >> >> >> openSUSE coexist with other "coopetitors" (Free Software competitors + >> >> cooperators) and competitors (closed sources distributions). >> >> Touchscreens, cloud, big data, games...the Linux ecosystem is evolving >> >> and >> >> there are new users with new needs. >> >> >> >> New players are consolidating their positions: Arch, Chakra, Mint... >> >> Ubuntu >> >> is moving to the mobile space, Debian is getting some attention back from >> >> previous Ubuntu users.... >> >> >> >> On the other hand, some distros that were relevant in the past have >> >> disappeared, our 13.1 has got more attention than previous ones, SUSE is >> >> healthy and willing to invest more in openSUSE in the future ... >> >> >> >> In the above context, how is our "stable" situation perceived? How >> >> do we think it should be perceived? >> >> >> >> INTERPRETING THE PICTURE >> >> >> >> If we agree that the overall number of users of Linux based server + >> >> "traditional" desktop OS (let's remove the mobile/embedded space and >> >> cloud for now), is growing, not following the "market" growing trend >> >> might >> >> be perceived as a wake up call, a clear sign that improvements needs to >> >> be >> >> done. >> >> >> >> But if we agree that we are playing in a risky and challenging field, >> >> stability can be perceived as a healthy sign. >> >> >> >> After these months of analysis and discussions with both, contributors >> >> and >> >> users, I would like to ask you if you agree with the the idea that the >> >> first picture is more prominent than the second one. But, does the >> >> second one provide us a good platform to improve our current position? >> >> >> >> SHARE YOUR OWN PICTURE >> >> >> >> Let me propose you some questions: >> >> >> >> 1.- What other variables we should put in place to create an accurate >> >> picture of the current state of the project? >> >> >> >> 2.- What is the perception you think others have from the project? >> >> >> >> 3.- What is your perception, your picture? >> >> >> >> >> >> To get some context you might want to take a look at the following >> >> contents: >> >> >> >> * Current strategy[6] >> >> * Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13[7] >> >> * Jos article: Strategy and Stable[8] >> >> * Jos article: Strategy and Factory[9] >> >> >> >> >> >> REFERENCES: >> >> >> >> Please point us to other relevant references: >> >> >> >> [1] Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers: >> >> http://youtu.be/NwfohZ8RBd8 >> >> [2] Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk: >> >> https://github.com/aplanas/opensuse-data/tree/master/osc13 >> >> [3] First openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE >> >> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/07/04/numbers-is-opensuse/ >> >> [4] Second openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: More on statistics >> >> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/08/23/more-on-statistics/ >> >> [5] Jos article about numbers: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/on-distributions-numbers-and-breaki >> >> ng >> >> .html [6] Current strategy: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy >> >> [7] Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13: http://youtu.be/fdroo2JZano >> >> [8] Jos article: Strategy and Factory: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/07/osc13-strategy-and-factory.html >> >> [9] Jos article: Strategy and Stable: >> >> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/osc13-strategy-and-stable.html >> >> >> >> Saludos >> > >> > -- >> > Agustin Benito Bethencourt >> > openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE >> > abebe(a)suse.com >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org >> > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > -- > Agustin Benito Bethencourt > openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE > abebe(a)suse.com -- Andrew Wafaa IRC: FunkyPenguin GPG: 0x3A36312F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Italian cyber monday
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27 Nov '13

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Project Meeting of November 27th, 2013
by Vincent Untz 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Here are the minutes of today's meeting. Cheers, Vincent Minutes: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… Minutes (text): http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… Log: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… =========================================== #opensuse-project: openSUSE Project Meeting =========================================== Meeting started by vuntz at 15:00:25 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2013/opensuse-proje… . Meeting summary --------------- * action item review (vuntz, 15:05:14) * We need more people for TSP (vuntz, 15:06:48) * We will form a new team to deal with reimbursement of local marketing material production (vuntz, 15:07:05) * openSUSE Summit Summary (vuntz, 15:14:36) * LINK: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting#Meeting_2013-11-22 (robjo, 15:28:36) * Good summary of the summit, read the log for details ;-) (vuntz, 15:31:31) * But in short: it was a good event! (vuntz, 15:31:45) * picture on the Summit G+ page (robjo, 15:32:03) * paste.opensuse.org (vuntz, 15:32:14) * LINK: https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin (coolo, 15:37:19) * LINK: https://progress.opensuse.org/issues/1123 (CygniX, 15:39:32) * Please read the candidate platforms and vote when the time comes (robjo, 15:41:20) * LINK: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election (robjo, 15:42:31) * Any other topic? (vuntz, 15:44:30) * do not forget the oSC14 kickoff meeting on Friday (robjo, 15:44:58) * Recently approved openSUSE members who have not received their IRC cloaks should get them in the next few days, assuming their Cloak & Freenode Nick details in connect.opensuse.org are present and correct - contact rbrownccb(a)opensuse.org for help. (Ilmehtar, 15:54:50) Meeting ended at 15:58:00 UTC. People present (lines said) --------------------------- * vuntz (60) * robjo (43) * CygniX (18) * CarlosRibeiro (12) * manugupt1_ (7) * Ilmehtar (5) * coolo (5) * manugupt1 (4) * antlarr (3) * alexandros_ (3) * bugbot (2) * differentreality (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes
by Robert Schweikert 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Hi, It's been awhile. We had canceled the previous meeting due to people not being available and had to move the last meeting from Monday to Friday to accommodate travel schedules. Thus, the last board meeting took place on Friday, November 22nd and the meeting minutes are now posted. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting#Meeting_2013-11-22 As always if you have any questions/concerns/feedback feel free to send a message to the board mailing list board(a)o.o or follow up in this thread. Don't forget to check out the Board Candidate Platforms and vote in the upcoming elections. Thanks, Your openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] How to improve new software introduction?
by Rajko 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

This actually RFC, not a lesson. The gist of a problems in recent times, with so many changes that happen with systemd and more that are coming with Wayland, is that fright train, mentioned recently by Jos [1], often run over us, older users, and indirectly new comers [2]. New users depend on old users for help. Developers can help, but the language they are using in their daily communication to other developers has assumptions about other side ability to understand profession specific idiomatic expressions and acronyms. This language was developed during college (about 4 years) and in practice after that. In other words it is off limits for new to openSUSE without technical background. New stuff that is radically changing system configuration and debugging should have web page based docs that can help people understand changes at much faster rate then what is possible by reading regular documents, like manual pages. Being quiet what you do and why you do that, not preparing diagrams useful for faster learning, is counter productive. Flow and block diagrams can take some time to create, but they can help in transition phase by giving opportunity to technically inclined people to learn how new stuff should work, and more efficiently help new users. Problem is that such diagrams for new stuff can't be prepared by community. Those that understand how it works, have not that much time as openSUSE team at SUSE. Those that don't, need those diagrams :) [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2013-11/msg00800.html [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2013-11/msg00711.html "The totally new user is worse off, because the people they turned to for help are still learning." -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 26 Nov '13

26 Nov '13

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 15:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=27&month=11&year=2013&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Release notes on doc.opensuse.org out of date?
by Greg Freemyer 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

All, Why are the release notes at <http://doc.opensuse.org/release-notes/x86_64/openSUSE/13.1/> out of date? There is a link straight to that page on the portal: <http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:13.1> Thanks Greg -- Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] MATE Desktop environment on openSUSE 13.1
by Efstathios Iosifidis 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

Hello mates, Congrats to all for the great 13.1 release. Unfortunately, MATE team didn't make it to the final release. We'll have it ready next time. There's a repository ready for you. You can install MATE Desktop without any pain. Visit our Portal at https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MATE and click on the 13.1 link. It'll open a ymp file and you can install MATE very easy. As alternative, there are couple of cool SUSE Studio images you can test. Here are the links: http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_32bit http://susestudio.com/a/DR3uXR/mate_stable_1-6-13-1_testing_image_64bit Don't forget to add us: Twitter: @opensuse_mate Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/opensusemate Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110057139932804157139/posts Mailing list: http://ml.mate-desktop.org/listinfo/opensuse-mate IRC Channel: #opensuse-mate @ Freenode If you have any question or tell us how we can make it better or just drop us a line, we'll be happy to listen from you. Finally, you can see the presentation from openSUSE conference 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-2WSt5cbR4 Have phun, Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://eiosifidis.blogspot.gr http://blogs.gnome.org/eiosifidis http://www.gnome.gr http://www.opensuse.gr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Announcing candidates for the openSUSE board election 2013
by Thomas Schmidt 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

On 18.11.2013 18:21, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > Platform of candidates, is this already available? Hi Carlos, we prepared the platform pages for the candidates, linked from: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Candidates Now it's up to the candidates to use them. Greetings > > Pretty good candidates and i wish all the best for every one > > On Nov 18, 2013 2:55 PM, "Thomas Schmidt" <tom(a)opensuse.org <mailto:tom@opensuse.org>> wrote: > > The openSUSE Election Committee is happy to announce the candidates for this years elections[0]: > > * Richard Brown > * Bruno Friedmann > * Kostas Koudaras > * Sascha Peilicke > * Andres Silva > * Ish Sokuun > * Jörg Stephan > * Andrew Wafaa > > In the election there will be 4 seats to be elected, 2 for a 2 year term, and 2 for a 1 year term. > From today on, the candidates have 2 weeks to do campaign until the election starts. > > Election timeline: > * 2.12. Ballots open > * 15.12. End of voting > * 16.12. Announcement of the results > > All openSUSE members[2] are eligible to vote. > > With Honor > This years Election Committee > Harisankar P S > Izabel Valverde > Thomas Schmidt > > [0] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election > > -- > Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org <http://opensuse.org>) > "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org <mailto:opensuse-project%2Bunsubscribe@opensuse.org> > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org <mailto:opensuse-project%2Bowner@opensuse.org> > -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Factory development
by Jos Poortvliet 21 Nov '13

21 Nov '13

dear openSUSE Community, openSUSE 13.1 is out, Factory is ready for action. In the coming months there will be more development coming from the SUSE side due to SLE work. We'd like to remind you of the freighttrain(a)opensuse.org mail address, as introduced by AJ in his blog last year [1]. Have a lot of fun, The openSUSE Team [1] http://jaegerandi.blogspot.de/2012/04/opensuses-freight-train.html

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