[opensuse-project] Single point of failure : nvidia
With the increasing number of new users, trying out openSUSE 13.1 there's also an increasing complaint rate about the non availability of Nvidia drivers. Why we should care about them, after all they are not free drivers. But as we in the past & recent present offer them by being prepared internally at SUSE then pushed to nvidia people in charge of publishing them. The work done by Stefan Dirsch has always been a great addition to end users that were not able to use nouveau for their daily task. I don't want to talk about philosophy in this tread, I'm only interested by the action, we (community side), openSUSE Team (as favorite SUSE internal point of contact), SUSE, can provide to finally better serve our end users. For 13.1, it look like the package on obs were ready to build since 1st November, so then why we don't have it? Stefan's holidays? Unfortunately this "accident" has already happened in the past, so I feel it's time create some process to be make it impossible to happen. I perfectly know that nothing is easy as it look (license, responsibility etc). So my vision is perhaps naive. 1st idea : Is it possible to have a Stefan's backup internally, who will be able to build the package, and have the keys to forward them to nvidia? 2nd idea : Should the community be in charge of it? We have get some success with the AMD equivalent situation even if everything is not failure proof as I would like. Keep experts of it preparing the package as it is now. Would the repository owner accept sr if some comes like (update, improvements etc)? 2a variant : building this package on packman -> then publish there 2b variant : build it locally (it works) and then publish them somewhere 3rd idea : yours ? Thanks to stay on topic, we just all want a solution. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-11-24 16:29, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
With the increasing number of new users, trying out openSUSE 13.1 there's also an increasing complaint rate about the non availability of Nvidia drivers.
True. There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKSK9wACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WungCfasi629O2o3eK6ulsFuziWn9Z FJ8AnjFmizfINZ3hp8/9qzWz6Ru9FPwP =jiTs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 17:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want).
The question I have for them is..'why'? I've not used the proprietary nvidia drivers since openSUSE 12.1 and I don't miss them one bit It's not like I'm an undemanding user either - I'm running multiple monitors, with a significant amount of 3D acceleration in the form of GNOME 3 and various games on Steam Yes, I remember the dark days when nouveux was as useless as an inflatable dartboard on a submarine with a sunroof, but things have moved on - Are some of our users stuck in the past, or what specifics are the open source drivers missing that's causing this to be such a major concern for some of our users? - Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 17:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want).
The question I have for them is..'why'? I've not used the proprietary nvidia drivers since openSUSE 12.1 and I don't miss them one bit
It's not like I'm an undemanding user either - I'm running multiple monitors, with a significant amount of 3D acceleration in the form of GNOME 3 and various games on Steam
Yes, I remember the dark days when nouveux was as useless as an inflatable dartboard on a submarine with a sunroof, but things have moved on - Are some of our users stuck in the past, or what specifics are the open source drivers missing that's causing this to be such a major concern for some of our users?
One simple answer... gaming. You cannot play Steam games (most) with the Nouveau driver. Another.. at least up until recently, configuration. It's been historically difficult to configure multiple monitors with Nouveau. Another... performance. Playing full screen video (historically) has been awful with Nouveau. C -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 25/11/2013 10:42, C a écrit :
Another.. at least up until recently, configuration. It's been historically difficult to configure multiple monitors with Nouveau.
yep. I couldn't get HD on the second display, nor with vga nor hdmi... had ti give up (12.3, last week) - nvidia jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 10:42 +0100, C wrote:
One simple answer... gaming. You cannot play Steam games (most) with the Nouveau driver.
Hmm, I haven't found a game yet with issues since the improvements to Nouveau in Kernel 3.8. Can you give an example or two?
Another.. at least up until recently, configuration. It's been historically difficult to configure multiple monitors with Nouveau.
I must be spoilt with GNOME, our built in display manager has been in full control, without issues (in released versions anyway) of multiple monitors on all of my machines since GNOME 3.0
Another... performance. Playing full screen video (historically) has been awful with Nouveau.
I'm going to be a stickler here though and point out your use of the words "until recently" and "historically" I totally agree with the fact that Nouveau was bad and the nvidia prop. drivers were very valuable to the distribution in the past. I'm more interested in what our users need *now* If Nouveau can satisfy 90-95% of our users owning nvidia cards, but only 10-25% of our users realise that because of the nvidia prop. drivers historical dominance, our 'point of failure' isn't that we aren't getting the prop. driver published fast enough, but that we're failing to educate our users that Nouveau is good enough for them now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 10:42 +0100, C wrote:
One simple answer... gaming. You cannot play Steam games (most) with the Nouveau driver.
Hmm, I haven't found a game yet with issues since the improvements to Nouveau in Kernel 3.8. Can you give an example or two?
Pretty much any game played through Wine... World of Warcraft, Hearthstone etc. Most of the more demanding games in Steam to be honest play either awful with Nouveau or not at all. Gaming is a no-go with Nouveau.
I must be spoilt with GNOME, our built in display manager has been in full control, without issues (in released versions anyway) of multiple monitors on all of my machines since GNOME 3.0
KDE has a new video configuration tool which works well now. Multimonitor setup is a pain in any OS of you want anything but the default. Currently with Nouveau, I cannot get dual monitor working right at all. One monitor (right) works OK, but the other (left) has a "Signal out of range" box floating around on it all the time even though it is displaying things correctly in the right resolution. The only way to "fix" it is with the proprietary drivers.
I'm going to be a stickler here though and point out your use of the words "until recently" and "historically"
I added those because every single time I mention issues - like those I've outlined - people will ALWAYS pipe up and say "yah, but with Kernel git version 3.13 blah blah and the latest driver built from source etc etc I can make it work with these other tweaks" and so on. A solution that might work but is 100% useless for the average user. What I have to go on is... the Nouveau driver as supplied with openSUSE 12.3. I tested it as I do every release, and it is a fail. I cannot use it for gaming... for full screen video... and configuring dual monitor does not work. I drop in the proprietary driver and everything works perfectly. Another issue... HDMI out doesn't work (at least it didn't a month or so when I last tried). I get no sound... and video is impossible to configure. Drop in the proprietary driver and it "just works" without any effort.
I'm more interested in what our users need *now* If Nouveau can satisfy 90-95% of our users owning nvidia cards,
Define satisfy. If you have a user who is using his/her computer for email, web browsing and simple office use, then they will be fine if they had an Intel video. They don't need NVidia.
getting the prop. driver published fast enough, but that we're failing to educate our users that Nouveau is good enough for them now.
Sorry... it's not. It works in simple use cases, but anything beyond that... you been to replace it with the proprietary driver. C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/25/2013 08:29 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 10:42 +0100, C wrote:
One simple answer... gaming. You cannot play Steam games (most) with the Nouveau driver. Hmm, I haven't found a game yet with issues since the improvements to Nouveau in Kernel 3.8. Can you give an example or two? Team Fortress 2 is one i can think of, which is free as in free beer, so if you have a couple of Tb of internet spare you can go try it for yourself, there are also several other AAA games coming to Linux It has been advised by them that only the priority drivers will work, I must say i haven't tried Nouveau, last time i may have considered it, it didn't support the card i have. I'd also like to point out performance in the NVIDIA driver has improved noticeably over the last year and a half.
Another.. at least up until recently, configuration. It's been historically difficult to configure multiple monitors with Nouveau. I must be spoilt with GNOME, our built in display manager has been in full control, without issues (in released versions anyway) of multiple monitors on all of my machines since GNOME 3.0
Another... performance. Playing full screen video (historically) has been awful with Nouveau. I'm going to be a stickler here though and point out your use of the words "until recently" and "historically" I totally agree with the fact that Nouveau was bad and the nvidia prop. drivers were very valuable to the distribution in the past. I'm more interested in what our users need *now* If Nouveau can satisfy 90-95% of our users owning nvidia cards, but only 10-25% of our users realise that because of the nvidia prop. drivers historical dominance, our 'point of failure' isn't that we aren't getting the prop. driver published fast enough, but that we're failing to educate our users that Nouveau is good enough for them now.
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On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 21:07 +1030, Simon wrote:
On 11/25/2013 08:29 PM, Richard Brown wrote:
On Mon, 2013-11-25 at 10:42 +0100, C wrote:
One simple answer... gaming. You cannot play Steam games (most) with the Nouveau driver. Hmm, I haven't found a game yet with issues since the improvements to Nouveau in Kernel 3.8. Can you give an example or two? Team Fortress 2 is one i can think of, which is free as in free beer, so if you have a couple of Tb of internet spare you can go try it for yourself
TF2 works just fine with Nouveau, if you ever see an ilmehtar running around, normally as a scout, that's me. Commits like this show some of the work done back in January to make the driver better for TF2 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI2OTg
there are also several other AAA games coming to Linux It has been advised by them that only the priority drivers will work
The most recent 'AAA' game I've been playing on Linux has been 'Wargame Airland Battle' which, in my experience, plays better with Nouveau than the prop. driver.
I must say i haven't tried Nouveau
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On Monday 25 November 2013 10.30:12 Richard Brown wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 17:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want).
The question I have for them is..'why'? I've not used the proprietary nvidia drivers since openSUSE 12.1 and I don't miss them one bit
It's not like I'm an undemanding user either - I'm running multiple monitors, with a significant amount of 3D acceleration in the form of GNOME 3 and various games on Steam
Yes, I remember the dark days when nouveux was as useless as an inflatable dartboard on a submarine with a sunroof, but things have moved on - Are some of our users stuck in the past, or what specifics are the open source drivers missing that's causing this to be such a major concern for some of our users?
- Richard
This will drive the thread to what I don't want bikeschedding. There's a number of user in forums and irc that can't get the splash correctly without going to nomodeset etc. GPU are frequently the GTX5x series from what I've seen. So until nouveau is 100% a drop in for nvidia, the need will exist. Then WE have to find a solution, preferably an openSUSE's one to those users, better than go and try another distribution. I've seen an announce that the repo will be in place ~27 November, but this will not answer my questions. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 25/11/2013 13:32, Bruno Friedmann a écrit :
Then WE have to find a solution, preferably an openSUSE's one to those users, better than go and try another distribution.
openSUSE is not that bad: I just installed a computer that already have windows, openSUSE, ubuntu with adding a debian and no X working with it. all the others worked may be debian is just a bit old... the last driver is usually the better :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Bruno Friedman wrote:
I've seen an announce that the repo will be in place ~27 November, but this will not answer my questions.
The problem isn't the repo hosting location is it? Moving it to Packman or somewhere else isn't going to solve the issue with the proprietary driver lagging so far behind the release. As you pointed out, we have a single point of failure... a single person who has taken responsibility for maintaining the driver. When that one person is busy.. away... no prebuilt driver. I like the idea of community maintained - maybe we can keep the driver more up to date? More current? What would this entail though? C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Mandag den 25. november 2013 14:19:57 skrev C:
I've seen an announce that the repo will be in place ~27 November, but this will not answer my questions. The problem isn't the repo hosting location is it? Moving it to Packman or somewhere else isn't going to solve the issue with the
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Bruno Friedman wrote: proprietary driver lagging so far behind the release. As you pointed out, we have a single point of failure... a single person who has taken responsibility for maintaining the driver. When that one person is busy.. away... no prebuilt driver.
I like the idea of community maintained - maybe we can keep the driver more up to date? More current? What would this entail though?
There's no monopoly on building the packages. The source rpms are even available, anyone with the skills and desire can build them. The problem actually _is_ the hosting/distribution. Noone - including packman - is too interested in distributing pre-built nvidia rpms and thus flirting with gpl violation. But only very few people have contacts at Nvidia and can get the packages uploaded there. The versionitis is a completely separate issue. Productive users wouldn't want to risk such a driver update constantly. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:17:33 +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:
The problem actually _is_ the hosting/distribution. Noone - including packman - is too interested in distributing pre-built nvidia rpms and thus flirting with gpl violation.
What about doing something like we do with fetchmsttfonts? ie, a "package" that retrieves the sources needed, has dependencies for development tools, and a script that builds and installs the driver for those who want/need it? Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Martin Schlander wrote:
Mandag den 25. november 2013 14:19:57 skrev C:
I've seen an announce that the repo will be in place ~27 November, but this will not answer my questions. The problem isn't the repo hosting location is it? Moving it to Packman or somewhere else isn't going to solve the issue with the
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Bruno Friedman wrote: proprietary driver lagging so far behind the release. As you pointed out, we have a single point of failure... a single person who has taken responsibility for maintaining the driver. When that one person is busy.. away... no prebuilt driver.
I like the idea of community maintained - maybe we can keep the driver more up to date? More current? What would this entail though?
There's no monopoly on building the packages. The source rpms are even available, anyone with the skills and desire can build them.
You forgot time :-)
The problem actually _is_ the hosting/distribution. Noone - including packman - is too interested in distributing pre-built nvidia rpms and thus flirting with gpl violation.
What I meant about hosting is that... isn't there already some agreement with NVidia for hosting the RPMs? Do we need to change this?
But only very few people have contacts at Nvidia and can get the packages uploaded there.
OK, but... what is the process now? It's a bit of a mystery obscured by all the shouting that happens when proprietary drivers get discussed here.
The versionitis is a completely separate issue. Productive users wouldn't want to risk such a driver update constantly.
Speaking as someone who wants to use the proprietary drivers.... I actually do want to run the latest or close to latest NVidia video drivers. I play games through Steam (probably too much), and the changes in the video drivers there can and do dramatically affect the playability of games. Sticking with the old 319.32 driver works (all you get with openSUSE at the moment), but I would MUCH rather be running the current 331.20 driver (which I have to build/install/maintain myself). Jim's suggestion of the fetch idea... that makes sense. If you include DKMS, it can rebuild itself after a kernel upgrade (this is 99.9999% of the failure point for the "hard way" installation for inexperienced users - I use DKMS and it's worked perfectly every time. Can it be set up though to pull in the newer drivers when they come available? C. -- openSUSE 12.3 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 25 November 2013 20.17:33 Martin Schlander wrote:
Mandag den 25. november 2013 14:19:57 skrev C:
I've seen an announce that the repo will be in place ~27 November, but this will not answer my questions. The problem isn't the repo hosting location is it? Moving it to Packman or somewhere else isn't going to solve the issue with the
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Bruno Friedman wrote: proprietary driver lagging so far behind the release. As you pointed out, we have a single point of failure... a single person who has taken responsibility for maintaining the driver. When that one person is busy.. away... no prebuilt driver.
The process how the driver is build is a part of the trouble. If the driver build could be shared by several people the the spof will be removed.
I like the idea of community maintained - maybe we can keep the driver more up to date? More current? What would this entail though?
Being "last version" is a no way with nvidia, see below they offer several kind of drivers I would certainly not promote a beta one to the stable repo. There's people working for real....
There's no monopoly on building the packages. The source rpms are even available, anyone with the skills and desire can build them.
The problem actually _is_ the hosting/distribution. Noone - including packman - is too interested in distributing pre-built nvidia rpms and thus flirting with gpl violation.
??? License: PERMISSIVE-OSI-COMPLIANT Is there an advocate in the room to answer by a yes/no. If we build the drivers could this build shared on public network. ;-) AMD for the fglrx allow it for example ...
But only very few people have contacts at Nvidia and can get the packages uploaded there.
True, but this contact power could be shared with the community.
The versionitis is a completely separate issue. Productive users wouldn't want to risk such a driver update constantly.
The idea is keeping what is called "Linux Long Lived Driver" in Nvidia terminology. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2013-11-27 at 21:20 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On Monday 25 November 2013 20.17:33 Martin Schlander wrote:
Mandag den 25. november 2013 14:19:57 skrev C:
The problem actually _is_ the hosting/distribution. Noone - including packman - is too interested in distributing pre-built nvidia rpms and thus flirting with gpl violation.
??? License: PERMISSIVE-OSI-COMPLIANT
Is there an advocate in the room to answer by a yes/no. If we build the drivers could this build shared on public network. ;-)
It is not the Nvidia license which poses the problem, it is the kernel license. It is the kernel people who object to the rpms be hosted by openSUSE or Packman. Thus, it is Nvidia who hosts them. Why the process of making the rpms and uploading them is so slow, I have no idea. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKb3PUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XYJwCglUH0DPxUt1TwcT4mWImv8zvf iY4AnA6mrw2GSQMq35UutjtSEazUv8ed =sTmo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1312021521420.12194@Telcontar.valinor> On Monday, 2013-12-02 at 02:05 +0100, I wrote:
On Wednesday, 2013-11-27 at 21:20 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On Monday 25 November 2013 20.17:33 Martin Schlander wrote:
Mandag den 25. november 2013 14:19:57 skrev C:
Is there an advocate in the room to answer by a yes/no. If we build the drivers could this build shared on public network. ;-)
It is not the Nvidia license which poses the problem, it is the kernel license. It is the kernel people who object to the rpms be hosted by openSUSE or Packman. Thus, it is Nvidia who hosts them.
Why the process of making the rpms and uploading them is so slow, I have no idea.
I'm surprised. I got a bounce message telling me that: +++······························· Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist opensuse-bar@opensuse.org I'm sorry to inform you that your message could not be delivered to the list. In order to post to this list, the list address must be contained in either the To: or Cc: header. Thanks. ·······························++- But I did not post to that list. So someone has aparently forwarded this particular post (I know because I have the Message-ID in the rejection), and has done so keeping my own email in the from field, so that I get the rejection and not him. Please, if someone forwrds an email, he has to do so in his own name, not mine. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKcmDEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XjLgCdFwtsm6naUTiyH9TnK2DkJL6k lkkAnR5yu6Mz8cUujkQ/w2XdL7a87Bs0 =J9Bd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 2013-11-25 10:30, Richard Brown wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 17:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want).
The question I have for them is..'why'? I've not used the proprietary nvidia drivers since openSUSE 12.1 and I don't miss them one bit
Some cards simply do not work with nouveau and users are forced to install the proprietary driver. And in those many cases where nouveau work, it can not be used for demanding applications such as games - for example, the opensource flight simulator, fgfs. Nouveau does not have hardware accel nor 3D support, at least for my card. But that's not the issue. There is an rpm for the driver, but it comes late. That is the issue. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
On Monday 25 November 2013 15.10:16 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-11-25 10:30, Richard Brown wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-24 at 17:39 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are people that are waiting till it is available, without installing 13.1 till it is. Others are asking, and we can only tell them to wait, or try the hard way (which not all want).
The question I have for them is..'why'? I've not used the proprietary nvidia drivers since openSUSE 12.1 and I don't miss them one bit
Some cards simply do not work with nouveau and users are forced to install the proprietary driver. And in those many cases where nouveau work, it can not be used for demanding applications such as games - for example, the opensource flight simulator, fgfs. Nouveau does not have hardware accel nor 3D support, at least for my card.
But that's not the issue. There is an rpm for the driver, but it comes late. That is the issue.
Did you know what kind of drivers need the end-users ? We have 4 versions and my tests reveal that we can only build G01, g02 g03 even if without a local obs, that's a lot of manual work. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot
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