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[opensuse-project] E17 goes to openSUSE
by Tomas Cech 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hi lizards fellows, after years of development of E17, after years of E17 built for openSUSE externally I'm glad I can say that E17 release is getting near and it's way to openSUSE is getting to an end. Release is scheduled to December 21th 2012 and all packages needed for the E are already accepted or waiting in the openSUSE submit queue for review. E17 is not the ultimate goal, but first step in accepting this live part of opensource world ecosystem. You can find our future steps in Todo list on wiki (see URL bellow). To coordinate further efforts we formed group and provide (in this time) needed social media access too. You can there find basic information and information about progress. Portal on Wiki: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Enlightenment openSUSE Connect: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/42079/e17-users/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/openSUSE17 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/opensuse.e17 IRC: #opensuse-e @ FreeNode We provide two repositories in OBS for E: X11:Enlightenment:Factory - this repository contains packages, which were released and packages which are compiled against releases - this is the devel project where the packages goes to Factory from and is meant for users X11:Enlightenment:Nightly - this repository follows SVN commits strictly, contains much more packages, but can from time to time be broken same way as upstream - this is for EFL+E17 developers and testers Have fun! Tomas Cech Sleep_Walker

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Project Meeting of December 12th, 2012
by Vincent Untz 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Here are the minutes of today's meeting. Cheers, Vincent http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… =========================================== #opensuse-project: openSUSE Project Meeting =========================================== Meeting started by vuntz at 17:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… . Meeting summary --------------- * Quick review of action items from last meeting (vuntz, 17:02:45) * for the wiku update AI, cboltz could do with some help pushing this forward (vuntz, 17:07:35) * doc on what chairing involves and how to do it is on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting (vuntz, 17:09:30) * keeping other AI that weren't completed (vuntz, 17:09:39) * ACTION: darix to ask henne about getting someone else to help with administrating the mailing lists (vuntz, 17:09:44) * ACTION: cboltz to ask scott about status of wiki update (vuntz, 17:09:51) * ACTION: vuntz to talk to toscalix about a paid designer for openSUSE (vuntz, 17:09:58) * openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013 (vuntz, 17:12:21) * for background, see discussion at http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-12/msg00017.html (vuntz, 17:54:45) * agreement that having a booth at SUSECon would be great (vuntz, 17:55:03) * agreement that we should try to have talks at SUSECon (vuntz, 17:55:13) * many questions on whether a summit or a track is best, whether doing this at SUSECon or at another event is best, etc. (see log) (vuntz, 17:56:05) * suggestion to rethink how we should organize a summit (or summits) in 2014; a discussion to start after we decide what to do in 2013 (vuntz, 17:57:26) * potential options for 2013: do like last year, push to have a track during SUSECon, do a summit at another event (no concrete proposal so far), do no summit (vuntz, 17:58:19) * there is no real option to decide to do the Summit and then cancel in February (too expensive) (vuntz, 18:03:26) * ACTION: vuntz to summarize discussion to the board (vuntz, 18:08:55) * openSUSE Conference 2013 (vuntz, 18:09:29) * kick-start meeting for oSC13 is tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (vuntz, 18:10:12) * people willing to help can join the trello board: https://trello.com/board/opensuse-conference-2013/4fbbad2bb16117957efeff5c (vuntz, 18:11:39) * 19-20-21 of July is currently the target dates (vuntz, 18:12:23) * there is a connect group named 'oSC13 The summer is comming' for people to submit any articles / blog posts / etc. (vuntz, 18:15:19) * everyone should blog about the conference! (vuntz, 18:15:37) * https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference is the place where all the information about the event is gathered (vuntz, 18:16:19) * everybody is welcome to participate in the organization (vuntz, 18:17:06) * Brief Q&A (vuntz, 18:22:58) * Next meeting date & chair (vuntz, 18:25:05) * no meeting on December 26th (vuntz, 18:26:33) * next meeting on January 9th (chair: vuntz) (vuntz, 18:26:43) Meeting ended at 18:26:52 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * cboltz * cboltz to ask scott about status of wiki update * vuntz * vuntz to talk to toscalix about a paid designer for openSUSE * vuntz to summarize discussion to the board People present (lines said) --------------------------- * vuntz (136) * warlordfff (109) * suseROCKs (70) * robjo (49) * Ilmehtar (22) * hendersj (14) * differentreality (6) * tampakrap (6) * victorhck (4) * cboltz (4) * bugbot (3) * tux93 (1) * zoumpis_mobile (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Richard Brown 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

>>> Vincent Untz 12/12/12 2:19 PM >>> >Do you think it's something that could be fixed, by working with the >SUSECon organizers so that their messaging includes the Summit, and >invites attendees to stay in order to explore the community? I feel strong messaging encouraging people to stay for Summit is essential if an openSUSE track is not a possibility and we have a separate summit. But, no, I don't think it will be as effective as having it as a conjoined event. I'm sure many companies (SUSE included) will see it as something that can be economised on, and so people won't be able to stay the extra days - this is the big issue I saw on summit, lots of people I spoke to on the last day of SUSEcon, knew about Summit, but had been unable to secure the funding and extra days out of the office in order to attend Summit. >FWIW, I'm asking inside SUSE if doing some kind of "openSUSE track" >during SUSECon is an option. Thank you! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 17:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 17:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=12&year=2012&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Richard Brown 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

>>> Vincent Untz 12/06/12 3:20 PM >>> >Now, SUSE is offering us to do something similar in 2013. Of course, >we'd need to move fast if we want to do that (as the venue needs to be >secured for additional days). There have been people suggesting that we >should also have a booth during SUSECon, or even suggesting that our >openSUSE presence should happen during SUSECon (as part of it?) to >decrease the amount of work needed for the organization. I really enjoyed Summit, and it greatly exceeded my expectations. That said, there were a number of issues which detracted from it's potential Having it just after SUSEcon led to lots of that events attendees, sponsors, and SUSE employees leaving before the summit started. I think this was a missed opportunity for SUSE to 'show-off' how important openSUSE is to them, and for the non-SUSE openSUSE community to make contacts and build bridges with the wider 'SUSE-ecosystem' This left Summit as a small but enjoyable 'mini-oSC', a little easier for our North American community members to attend, but primarily attended by regular Geekos, many of whom also attend other FOSS and openSUSE events As enjoyable as it was, I don't see what summit brought to the table that those other events don't already. Even with a bigger gap between the two events, I'm nervous about there being a dilution effect if Summit and Conference have similar goals. I think conference should be our primary community event, focused on the community and it's needs, stuffed with the best talks, possibly in the model of oSC 11 (ie. Shove a few hundred Geekos in a building and let the magic happen) I think Summit's great potential is to be our 'window to the business world' event. SUSEcon to me seems to be SUSE's big corporate, partners & marketing shindig, with SUSE screaming 'look at us, we're big, we're awesome', filling up customers and attendees brains with as much information as possible about the SUSE world. I think openSUSE needs to be an integral part of that. We're an important part of what SUSE do, arguably more so than any other partner, so at the very least, even if Summit continues as a separate event, I'd like to see an openSUSE booth, ideally staffed with both SUSE and non-SUSE contributors to openSUSE. I also think, instead of a separate summit event, I'd like to see an openSUSE track at SUSEcon with sessions focusing on the bleeding edge (ie. stuff not yet in SLE) and gaining new contributors (how your business can use OBS, how to submit patches, etc). The logic being to grab the interest of SUSEcon's audience and could hopefully lead to some of them getting involved with openSUSE That said, I realise my proposal has one major flaw - As a corporate event SUSEcons price tag of $999 puts it well out of reach of most openSUSE community members who may want attend just for the openSUSE track. That's something we'd need to think about, but I don't think its insurmountable, or worst case, it just means we have to do a better job of encouraging their attendance to oSC and making it as internationally accessible as we can. That's my 2c/2p - Rich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] http://sumixs.com - GANHE 9 DOLARES SÓ VENDO VIDEOS
by http＠suse.de 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Agustin Benito Bethencourt 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

Hi, these statements reflect issues that I would like to work on: 1.- 15:50:13 <lupinstein> without it, the money would go to SUSE like the money from Google Summer of Code, but I could be wrong. 2.- 15:50:58 <manugupt1> lupinstein: Last time heard, Jos telling in a mailing list that we do get money.. so thats great.. :) but we need some transparency there.. I believe.. which should be a role for the next board 3.- 15:52:37 <lupinstein> it would be hard for me to give to SUSE, because I am not sure if it would all go to openSUSE. 4.- 15:53:22 <lupinstein> anyway foundation would be a plus for transparency in my opinion. It seems that two topics, transparency and increasing income are linked to the creation of the Foundation. This is a wrong approach to me. They are separate and not neccesarily linked topics. The Foundation is, in any case, the consequence of a wider and more complex process. Having a company like SUSE should allow openSUSE to, in the case a foundation is created, to start it in a very mature and susteinable state. We are far from there at this point. We can and should increase transparency in the economic area and we have to find ways for the project to become economically susteinable, so creating a Foundation could be a topic to discuss because it has a clear mid term future. 5.- 16:09:54 <tittiatcoke> The KDE area didn't loose any members to open-slx, but the loss was more due to the reorganization of the boosters team open-slx is an example of the opportunities openSUSE has to become "business friendly" Open Source Press is another example. Transforming openSUSE into a business friendly ecosystem will be a major topic in the coming new action plan. What do you think? Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Conference 2013 In Thessaloniki Greece
by Kostas Koudaras 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

We are very happy to inform you that next year’s openSUSE Conference (oSC13), the yearly get together of our community, will happen in July in the beautiful city of Thessaloniki, Greece. oSC13 will bring together a wide variety of Free and Open Source (FOSS) contributors to collaborate on one of the major Linux distribution projects. In exciting talks, workshops and social events our community will bring alive our motto “Have a lot of fun”. See the Promotional video at: http://youtu.be/Eiv4e5ZxTmg or at http://blip.tv/openSUSEtv/geeko-stories-thessaloniki-greece-6470971 Also a presentation about Thessaloniki has been done at openSUSE conference 2012 and you can find this at: http://youtu.be/SmubYI2FpZ0 We are entering the organization phase right now and have not yet settled on an exact date and location but we will let you know, right here on news.opensuse.org, once we have that info. In the meantime how about you help us organize oSC13? We need you at the kick off meeting! To make this the most awesome conference ever, we are looking for people who are willing to help out. We need you! There is a lot of organizing to be done, logos to be drawn, websites to be designed, schedules to be made, hotels to be booked, sponsors to be found and a million of other things you can help with. So to kick off the organization team and to get everyone on the same page we are going to meet this Thursday, December 13th on IRC to discuss what we need to do and how we are going to do it. If you’re looking for a chance to give back to the openSUSE community this is it! When: 2012-12-13 at 15:00 UTC Where: #opensuse-project on the freenode network Who: Everybody who want’s to make oSC13 great If you, for whatever reason, can’t participate but still want to help you should subscribe to our conference mailinglist: opensuse-conference(a)opensuse.org we are going to post meeting minutes there and will use this list to further organize oSC13. Now we would like all of you to go ahaid and spread the word out so if you like go ahaid and spread the word, if you happen to blog about it or if you find any article related to openSUSE Conference 2013 go ahaid and give a link to the connect Group I've created at https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/42396/osc13-the-summer-is-coming/ so that feedback would be available. Let’s get going and make oSC13 in Thessaloniki the best conference ever! Have fun and Spread the Word out -- --- \m/ --- http://opensuse.gr http://os-el.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr http://warlordfff.tk --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Vincent Untz 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

Hi, In case you were not aware, SUSE has announced that SUSECon 2013 will be held in November 2013 around Orlando (Florida, USA). If you want more details, see: https://www.suse.com/company/press/2012/11/suse-announces-location-and-date… In 2012, we organized an openSUSE Summit after SUSECon: SUSE sponsored us by providing the venue (and some help with logistics), so we were able to focus on the content and on the on-site organization during the event itself. Thanks again to Bryen and Alan who lead that effort! Now, SUSE is offering us to do something similar in 2013. Of course, we'd need to move fast if we want to do that (as the venue needs to be secured for additional days). There have been people suggesting that we should also have a booth during SUSECon, or even suggesting that our openSUSE presence should happen during SUSECon (as part of it?) to decrease the amount of work needed for the organization. Obviously, there's the "will it conflict with the openSUSE conference?" question :-) We'll have some news about the conference in the next few days, but the short summary is that there should be more time between the two events than this year, so it should go much better from that perspective. So, please reply to this thread, or directly to the board, or to me, with your thoughts. This will also be a topic we'll discuss next week, in the next project meeting. And ideally, we'll be able to tell SUSE if we want to do something, and if yes, what. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 10 Dec '12

10 Dec '12

>>> Agustin Benito Bethencourt 12/07/12 9:22 AM >>> >What do we have to do at SUSE to get more people involve in the Release >process? I think the community (which of course includes SUSE) could look into ways to make it easier for people to pitch in and get involved, but more importantly I think we need to do a much better job at getting the message out there about how easy it already is to be involved in the release process. Practical options I'd like us to consider include: * Revamping the website to make information about how to get involved much more prominent and welcoming. The website should also better convey the overall projects goal (which will tie into my answer to your second question) * Sorting the wiki out so it's a heck of a lot easier for everyone to use and search across - I'd like to see the death of the namespaces and perhaps replace it instead with 2 discreet wiki's, probably one for Users (ie the current SDB) and one for contributors (the current openSUSE namespace) - I think everything that currently exists in the 'Main' namespace, our 'product brochure' should be website, not wiki, material. * Do a better job of aggregating lots of our communication media (News, ML, Social Networking, etc) into one place contributors can go to stay involved (I think Connect++ could be a big part of such a solution) * Make it easier for people to get involved in our IRC channels, possibly with web-based access to IRC to dramatically lower the barrier to entry that exists for some new contributors. A lot of what I just suggested will require co-operation from SUSE in terms of manpower and infrastructure, and it might be sensible for your team at SUSE to take the lead on some of those things, either way, those are some areas I can see us working on in the near term. >Do we need to define targets for our distribution or that is a role for deployers and third parties? In terms of actual development goals (eg. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Goals_12.3) I think that's a place for our contributors to decide and the board to keep their noses out of But aside from the day to day, practical goals, I do think we need to sit down as a project and do a much better job of communicating who we are, what we are setting out to achieve, and who we intend our distribution to be used by. I think there is some merit in your ideas for a more 'business-orientated' approach, targeting SME's and turning our focus to being the 'ideal' linux distribution for SME's to use and contribute back to. I think it's a bold and ambitious target, and as my own involvement in openSUSE originated from use in an SME, I certainly can't argue that we aren't already capable in that area. Deciding on that as our focus could help provide the refinement and polish to really achieve something in this space, and would certainly make my answer shorter when I'm at conferences and people endlessly ask me "Why should I use openSUSE?" But 'business' is boring, I feel we'd need to be careful not to lose our unique "Have a lot of fun" vibe if we (the community) decide to head in that direction. The concerns about the economic side of things already is setting of alarm bells for me, which we'd have to resolve before I'd consider such a direction viable. I personally think our greatest strength as a project and distribution is the fact we embrace 'Choice' The fact we explicitly don't define how you're meant to use openSUSE is a strength - Whether you're a user who wants a server, a KDE workstation, a GNOME workstation, an appliance, a tablet, a toaster, we build, we distribute, you decide But we're not like other "do whatever you want" distros like Debian. While we do take the current and best from upstream and dump it all on our users to play with, we have tools like YaST (and SUSE give us Studio) which exist to help make that decision and deployment process easier. We're the distro where a relative novice can turn up and say "I want my box to be a desktop and a webserver and a mailserver and a VOIP server all at once" and it's half a dozen button clicks away instead of a month digging through documentation and configuration files. I think we don't do a good enough job at getting that message out to people, and I sometimes think we forget it ourselves, occasionally thinking we're making it easier for our users by taking choices away from them, rather than instead making it easier for them to make those choices. To give a specific example, revamping the desktop selection screen with screenshots and better descriptions to make it easier for a novice user to make an informed choice between GNOME and KDE is something I'd really like to see. I'm not sure my vision of 'choice' necessarily is enough to be a goal in-of-itself, nor do I think it is mutually exclusive to other proposed goal, whether that be a move to becoming 'business-orientated' or something else. I do think we could do with deciding on our direction, I just think we need to keep our strengths in choice and having fun at the same time, and do a better job of marketing all of it to the outside world. > What aspects of SUSE work in openSUSE can we improve in 2013? After that long answer, this one is going to be nice and short - I'd like to see much better communication what the openSUSE team @SUSE is up to and where I (as a contributor) might be able to help out. With the changes to the team, I no longer understand who is doing what, and I think that's important In the past, with the 'Boosters', when they weren't working on something already established and open, it often felt they were off doing their thing in private, then releasing their awesome stuff for everyone else to pitch in after the fact. I'd like it if we (the wider community) could know what openSUSE@SUSE team has on the go at any one time, and hopefully this would lead to more opportunities for the community to help out in the early stages with whatever your team is taking the lead on. > In general.....in which aspects should SUSE focus its activity for 2013 (in openSUSE)? I think my first answer covers most of my feelings about this. The release process needs attention, and we need to make sure that 12.3 and 12.4 both build on the lessons of recent releases. In the absence of any overarching 'goal', my feeling would be SUSE would be well positioned to act as 'troubleshooters', helping resolve particular pain-points in the project as they arise, then working with the community and the board to help make sure they don't occur again. There, sorry for the long replies, but you had great questions and wanted to make sure you got the full picture on how I feel about them Hope this helps - Richard On Friday, December 07, 2012 10:01:40 AM Agustin Benito Bethencourt wrote: > Hi, > > these statements reflect issues that I would like to work on: > > 1.- 15:50:13 without it, the money would go to SUSE like the > money from Google Summer of Code, but I could be wrong. > > 2.- 15:50:58 lupinstein: Last time heard, Jos telling in a > mailing list that we do get money.. so thats great.. :) but we need some > transparency there.. I believe.. which should be a role for the next board > > 3.- 15:52:37 it would be hard for me to give to SUSE, because I > am not sure if it would all go to openSUSE. > > 4.- 15:53:22 anyway foundation would be a plus for transparency > in my opinion. > > It seems that two topics, transparency and increasing income are linked to > the creation of the Foundation. This is a wrong approach to me. They are > separate and not neccesarily linked topics. > > The Foundation is, in any case, the consequence of a wider and more complex > process. Having a company like SUSE should allow openSUSE to, in the case a > foundation is created, to start it in a very mature and susteinable state. > We are far from there at this point. > > We can and should increase transparency in the economic area and we have to > find ways for the project to become economically susteinable, so creating a > Foundation could be a topic to discuss because it has a clear mid term > future. > > 5.- 16:09:54 The KDE area didn't loose any members to > open-slx, but the loss was more due to the reorganization of the boosters > team > > open-slx is an example of the opportunities openSUSE has to become "business > friendly" Open Source Press is another example. Transforming openSUSE into > a business friendly ecosystem will be a major topic in the coming new > action plan. > > What do you think? > > Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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