On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Greg Freemyer [12-08-12 09:27]: ...

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Now that I'm paying attention, I've seen 2 cross-posted threads in the last couple days. The -project/-artwork cross-post and a -packaging/-buildservice cross-post.

The second one even started with a intro sentence saying it was a cross-post.

So I assume both of those posters agree with me.

False assumption, posters may or may not have been aware of the netiquette.

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For the proposal as it stands (ie. bifurcated netiquette for open / closed lists), only Patrick, Basil, and Carlos have been against.

So far vocal stands are still one for, one fence and three against.

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But I argue that cross-posting on the specialty lists has been happening for years and that for at least the last 3 years the netiquette has not addressed it.

You know for a fact that the cross-posting statement was removed > 3 years ago? I cannot find history of the change.

The "new" wiki only goes back to 2010. The history is here: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette&action=history The oldest netiquette entry on it is from April 2010. It doesn't discuss cross-posting.

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I think the netiquette as I updated it in my first post actually captures the status qua and no one has been complaining until the last week or two when someone had the nerve to cross-post to the sacred opensuse@opensuse.org list.

Apparently that list is sacrosanct with traditions established before man discovered fire and is not open to change. The netiquette as I posted it preserves its centuries long traditions, but allows the specialists lists to continue as they've been doing the last few years.

The last two paragraphs are quite sanctimonious and not in your *usual* character, perhaps you would prefer to rephrase. Or not.

I get frustrated with the rules of opensuse@opensuse.org. I participate on numerous lists and it is the one where I see netiquette discussed the most. Sure it's nice to have guidelines, but the ones for opensuse@opensuse.org seem to exist because they were established in the last century and can't be changed. fyi: I do like the no top-posting rule, and it is used on most of the linux lists I'm on. It is not used on the computer forensics specialty lists I'm on and I wish it was. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Sat, 08 Dec 2012 16:32:18 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:

Jim, I've got a pretty good memory and I've been on the opensuse@opensuse.org list for close to 10 years. Much less so for -project or wherever a discussion like this might take place.

I'm sure there has been the occasional post pro or con cross-posting over the years come my way, but I don't recall a "litigation" of cross posting prior to this one. (fyi: my day job is litigation support, so I like your choice of word.)

:) Perhaps I should clarify - the topic of "how the lists are run" comes up in one way or another every year or two. I've only participated since 2003, but I recall rather heated debates about many aspects of list management over the years, however I tend to tune them out when people start bikeshedding about whether it should be "open" or "closed" or "allow crossposting" or "allow top posting" or "allow HTML" or "add more lists" or "remove inactive lists" or whatever other debate comes up that someone gets passionate about needing to be changed. So perhaps it isn't specifically cross-posting that comes up regularly, but there are frequent battles fought over list management. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org