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>>> Per Jessen 12/07/12 1:14 PM >>>
>History is filled with dead companies that didn't listen to their users.
>Distros only exist for their users, I don't think distros are likely to
>get away with ignoring that risk. Just an observation.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we ignore the needs of our users, but we are talking about sometimes highly technical, bleeding edge stuff - that is part of the pleasure of working on FOSS, being able to push the boundaries and solve those issues that effect you, the contributor, but no one else has cared enough about to fix yet - the one reason we're all here is to scratch particular itches we have with the alternatives out there.
In such a circumstance, the contributors doing the work are likely to know more about the situation than the users. That's not to say that the contributors are not going to welcome user feedback, in fact it's often vital, but ultimately it is, and should be, down to the contributor to decide what they do.
The challenge there is to bring the users along for the journey.
We need to get them to understand why the decision was made, let them see how much of their feedback you did embrace and why others didn't fit your vision and in some cases give them the choice not to use the wonderful new thing your contributions bring to the table
If the users still aren't happy, then my answer to them would be "fine, do it yourself", and I think we have a part to play in making that as easy as possible for them to do - after all, new ideas is what keeps all of this moving forward, but ultimately someone needs to be prepared to do the work.
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>>> Henne Vogelsang 12/07/12 12:32 PM >>>
>>On 07.12.2012 13:21, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
>> If we look around us, then we see that a majority of the users of linux
>> distributions are talking about the fact that a small group of people are
>> making decisions for them.
>
>Who does, decides. One of the basic principles that makes FOSS great.
>Why would we give that up?
Totally agreed, so which is why I think the answer here is to make it easier for that 'user majority' who have opinions to get involved in a practical sense, so they can become the ones who are doing and deciding.
>From my perspective, Raymonds experience with plymouth is actually a good example of the process working properly - the proposals time in openFATE gave opportunity to gauge what everyone felt about it. The lack of uptake probably suggested apathy, but Raymond was passionate about it and engaging with the community pushed his vision forward.
When it came to the decision about making it the default, I'd argue it wasn't just Raymond and Coolo making that decision. It was clear from it's openFATE period that it was not a highly controversial change that risked alienating users. Raymond had successfully made it and had other community members working with him (lowering any risk that the package wouldn't be maintained going forward). The userbase had it's input during the openFATE period, and the community inputed by helping Raymond make it happen - Those who do, decide, and so from my perspective it was a natural decision to make Plymouth the default bootsplash
Sure, I'd like to make it easier for everyone to get involved in that process, in order to get more feedback, more opportunities for people to help, a better understanding of how a change will be accepted once it's released, but I don't think we need to abandon the idea that the ones doing the work are the ones who have the most say in the fate of their work.
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* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com> [12-06-12 11:24]:
...
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler(a)ausics.net> wrote:
> > As for keeping this post on topic, I don't care one way or another about
> > cross posting, but if you cross post to lists you are not on, its your
> > own stupid fault.
>
> The issue isn't if the original poster is on multiple, it is if all
> the people participating are on both lists.
Correct, another issue is creating two or more disparate conversations
concerning a singular topic which will/may differ in resolution and be
archived in varying locations.
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Wallpaper Contest Guidelines
This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for openSUSE 12.3.
Submissions are made to artwork team's flickr page
http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/
The format can be any image style you would like. Created with GIMP or
Inkscape, or an original photo. They can all be considered. If the
submission is not made in the Flickr page, it cannot be counted. If you
don't have a Flickr page, ask any of our team members to help you submit
your image.
Given the amount of submissions so far this year(152 images so far), the
artwork team will work on the selection of images in the following way.
Our team members will be in charge of selecting the final 10 images for
the selection of the rest of the community. We will present the 10
finalist images.
Each voting member form our team will receive 10 points. These 10 points
will be distributed across the images that such member selects as
his/her best ones. You only have 10 points and nothing more, and you
will run out of points after distributing those points across different
images.
If you are a contributor the artwork team and also the contest images,
you cannot vote for yourself. The idea being to go out find other
possible contributors to the team and there is no feeling that we
pushing only for our own interests. To also show fairness to those who
may be trying to be part of our team.
For example
Image 1: 3 pts
Image 2: 5 pts
Image 3: 2 pts
TOTAL: 10 pts
In order to vote you have to comment under the image in question on
Flickr. You will add the comment saying:
User X Comment: +1, +2, +5, etc
We will be in charge also of counting the results.
If you decide to change your mind about a particular image and would
like to withdraw your points, you can do so by deleting the comment you
made on a particular image.
Additional information can be found here
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.3
The contest will end on December 24^th of 2012. After 1 week, December
10^th the finalists selection will end leaving the remaining 2 weeks for
the community as a whole to vote on the last 10 images.
The current members who replied to the artwork team list are
Eugene Trounev
Richard Brown
Marcus Moeller
Michael Fox
Carlos Ribeiro
Scott Dubois
Marcel Kühlhorn
Raiko Matovic
Victor HCK
James Mason
If there is someone else who would like to participate and did not get
the former email confirming your presence during this process, please
email me at anditosan(a)opensuse.org and I will add you as long as the
first selection week is not over.
PS: There are details that may have escaped this revision, please write
back to define them and update them.
Thank you everyone!
Andy (anditosan)
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The excitement has been building for weeks and now the most important
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Hi,
as I explained in a previous mail, in the past, besides the former Boosters
team, there were other SUSE employees working full time in openSUSE with
different roles. Now, everybody that works full time in openSUSE is
concentrated in a single team, the openSUSE Team at SUSE, that is part of the
R&D and Communities department.
The above strategy has also been supported from the financial point of view.
The economic decisions from SUSE that directly affects openSUSE have also
being moved to this department. This move will take some time to consolidate
but it is on its way.
As I also wrote before, we are working at SUSE on our future actions we will
execute as company to support the project/community. Some of those actions
have to do with the relation we would like to develop with openSUSE from the
financial perspective.
We will open a discussion with the Board, through our Chairman, Vincent Untz,
about processes to be followed in economic topics. I would like to advance
"the framework" in this relevant moment, the Board elections.
Until now, most (almost all) of the decision logic on financial matters was
placed over SUSE's shoulders. We will propose some measures to transfer part
of that logic step by step into the community. This process will be associated
to the following concepts:
* Agreements: we want to go through this process in agreement with the
community.
* Transparency: all the processes and decisions have to be done in a
transparent way not just toward the community but toward SUSE and other
possible sponsors. This mean that budgeting / reporting is a necessary
requirement attached to this process.
* Scalability: in order for this process to scale, it is necessary that all
the financial procedures within the community have the Board as the final and
starting point, so our relation with the community in this matter, in the same
way that for other sponsors in the future, is routed through them.
We understand that it is up to the community to define the relation between
the Board and those who will have relation or will manage the economic
resources, like the Travel Support Program, Ambassadors, Program etc. Until
now, this relation has been directly established with SUSE.
We also believe that this relation between Board and executors will be more
efficient if it is simple, clear and have trust as an important ingredient.
During the next months we have, at least, the following challenges to face
from the financial point of view:
* The Travel Support Program 2013
* The new Ambassadors Program
* A new model for supporting our action in events
* Hackathons
We would like to encourage the new Board to work with us, facing those
challenges together. We will propose that this process is complemented with a
definition of the relation between the Board and those who are going to
execute these actions.
So, in summary, our relation with openSUSE in the financial area, will be
routed through the Board step by step, so we all can learn with little
pressure and clear direction.
Saludos
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Hello openSUSE Community
We would like to invite you to participate in our wallpaper contest for
the release of openSUSE 12.3. We have our submissions concentrated at
http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/
Please find and request artists to participate in this contest. The
guidelines are detailed in my last email and also at the Flickr page.
Please look for those images that you can submit to our contest. the
more the better and be ready for next week to vote for the last 10
images. During this week, the artwork team will reception the images on
flikr.com for them to decide on the finalists.
Thank you for your participation.
Andy (anditosan)
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