December 2012 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Re: [opensuse-project] Cross-posting - why not?
by Greg Freemyer 09 Dec '12

09 Dec '12

Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >* Rajko <rmatov101(a)charter.net> [12-07-12 19:38]: >> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:01:23 +0100 >> Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >> >> > Only the user to user support lists are closed. So opensuse and >> > opensuse-$LANG. Everything else is open. >>> >> Thank you for prompt answer Henne. >> >> Then we have to adjust cross posting section in netiquette to reflect >> this. > >Ah, adjust cross posting? For what reason? So far I have seen one for >cross-posting, one on the fence and several voices against, if memory >serves. Now that I'm paying attention, I've seen 2 cross-posted threads in the last couple days. The -project/-artwork cross-post and a -packaging/-buildservice cross-post. The second one even started with a intro sentence saying it was a cross-post. So I assume both of those posters agree with me. For the proposal as it stands (ie. bifurcated netiquette for open / closed lists), only Patrick, Basil, and Carlos have been against. But I argue that cross-posting on the specialty lists has been happening for years and that for at least the last 3 years the netiquette has not addressed it. I think the netiquette as I updated it in my first post actually captures the status qua and no one has been complaining until the last week or two when someone had the nerve to cross-post to the sacred opensuse(a)opensuse.org list. Apparently that list is sacrosanct with traditions established before man discovered fire and is not open to change. The netiquette as I posted it preserves its centuries long traditions, but allows the specialists lists to continue as they've been doing the last few years. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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08 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] Debate Transcript
by Bryen M Yunashko 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

Yesterday, the openSUSE 2013 Board candidates came to #opensuse-project IRC Channel to answer questions from the community. We're sure you'll find this enlightening and help you to make an informed choice when you vote. As a reminder, voting ends on December 16 at 23:00 UTC. If are an openSUSE member and you have not received an email on how to vote, please send notification to election-officials(a)opensuse.org. Links: Original transcript: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… News article on news.opensuse.org: https://news.opensuse.org/2012/12/07/candidates-talk-frankly-at-debate/ Thank you, openSUSE Election Officials -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

>>> Per Jessen 12/07/12 1:14 PM >>> >History is filled with dead companies that didn't listen to their users. >Distros only exist for their users, I don't think distros are likely to >get away with ignoring that risk. Just an observation. I don't think anyone is suggesting we ignore the needs of our users, but we are talking about sometimes highly technical, bleeding edge stuff - that is part of the pleasure of working on FOSS, being able to push the boundaries and solve those issues that effect you, the contributor, but no one else has cared enough about to fix yet - the one reason we're all here is to scratch particular itches we have with the alternatives out there. In such a circumstance, the contributors doing the work are likely to know more about the situation than the users. That's not to say that the contributors are not going to welcome user feedback, in fact it's often vital, but ultimately it is, and should be, down to the contributor to decide what they do. The challenge there is to bring the users along for the journey. We need to get them to understand why the decision was made, let them see how much of their feedback you did embrace and why others didn't fit your vision and in some cases give them the choice not to use the wonderful new thing your contributions bring to the table If the users still aren't happy, then my answer to them would be "fine, do it yourself", and I think we have a part to play in making that as easy as possible for them to do - after all, new ideas is what keeps all of this moving forward, but ultimately someone needs to be prepared to do the work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

>>> Henne Vogelsang 12/07/12 12:32 PM >>> >>On 07.12.2012 13:21, Raymond Wooninck wrote: >> If we look around us, then we see that a majority of the users of linux >> distributions are talking about the fact that a small group of people are >> making decisions for them. > >Who does, decides. One of the basic principles that makes FOSS great. >Why would we give that up? Totally agreed, so which is why I think the answer here is to make it easier for that 'user majority' who have opinions to get involved in a practical sense, so they can become the ones who are doing and deciding. >From my perspective, Raymonds experience with plymouth is actually a good example of the process working properly - the proposals time in openFATE gave opportunity to gauge what everyone felt about it. The lack of uptake probably suggested apathy, but Raymond was passionate about it and engaging with the community pushed his vision forward. When it came to the decision about making it the default, I'd argue it wasn't just Raymond and Coolo making that decision. It was clear from it's openFATE period that it was not a highly controversial change that risked alienating users. Raymond had successfully made it and had other community members working with him (lowering any risk that the package wouldn't be maintained going forward). The userbase had it's input during the openFATE period, and the community inputed by helping Raymond make it happen - Those who do, decide, and so from my perspective it was a natural decision to make Plymouth the default bootsplash Sure, I'd like to make it easier for everyone to get involved in that process, in order to get more feedback, more opportunities for people to help, a better understanding of how a change will be accepted once it's released, but I don't think we need to abandon the idea that the ones doing the work are the ones who have the most say in the fate of their work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse] Cross-posting - why not?
by Patrick Shanahan 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com> [12-06-12 11:24]: ... > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler(a)ausics.net> wrote: > > As for keeping this post on topic, I don't care one way or another about > > cross posting, but if you cross post to lists you are not on, its your > > own stupid fault. > > The issue isn't if the original poster is on multiple, it is if all > the people participating are on both lists. Correct, another issue is creating two or more disparate conversations concerning a singular topic which will/may differ in resolution and be archived in varying locations. comment not posted on opensuse list. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Board Candidate Debate today!
by Bryen M Yunashko 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Just a friendly reminder: Today at 15:00 UTC, the candidates for openSUSE's 2013 Board will gather in the #opensuse-project IRC channel to answer your questions in an open debate format. The event will last from 15:00 to 17:00 UTC. This is your opportunity to ask the candidates the burning questions in your mind and hear their answers. See you in the channel! openSUSE Election Officials -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 12.3 Wallpaper Contest
by Andy (anditosan) 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Wallpaper Contest Guidelines This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for openSUSE 12.3. Submissions are made to artwork team's flickr page http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/ The format can be any image style you would like. Created with GIMP or Inkscape, or an original photo. They can all be considered. If the submission is not made in the Flickr page, it cannot be counted. If you don't have a Flickr page, ask any of our team members to help you submit your image. Given the amount of submissions so far this year(152 images so far), the artwork team will work on the selection of images in the following way. Our team members will be in charge of selecting the final 10 images for the selection of the rest of the community. We will present the 10 finalist images. Each voting member form our team will receive 10 points. These 10 points will be distributed across the images that such member selects as his/her best ones. You only have 10 points and nothing more, and you will run out of points after distributing those points across different images. If you are a contributor the artwork team and also the contest images, you cannot vote for yourself. The idea being to go out find other possible contributors to the team and there is no feeling that we pushing only for our own interests. To also show fairness to those who may be trying to be part of our team. For example Image 1: 3 pts Image 2: 5 pts Image 3: 2 pts TOTAL: 10 pts In order to vote you have to comment under the image in question on Flickr. You will add the comment saying: User X Comment: +1, +2, +5, etc We will be in charge also of counting the results. If you decide to change your mind about a particular image and would like to withdraw your points, you can do so by deleting the comment you made on a particular image. Additional information can be found here https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.3 The contest will end on December 24^th of 2012. After 1 week, December 10^th the finalists selection will end leaving the remaining 2 weeks for the community as a whole to vote on the last 10 images. The current members who replied to the artwork team list are Eugene Trounev Richard Brown Marcus Moeller Michael Fox Carlos Ribeiro Scott Dubois Marcel Kühlhorn Raiko Matovic Victor HCK James Mason If there is someone else who would like to participate and did not get the former email confirming your presence during this process, please email me at anditosan(a)opensuse.org and I will add you as long as the first selection week is not over. PS: There are details that may have escaped this revision, please write back to define them and update them. Thank you everyone! Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 2013 Board Elections Begin Today!
by Bryen M Yunashko 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

The excitement has been building for weeks and now the most important phase of the openSUSE Board elections begins today -- Election Time! Two seats are open for election by members of the openSUSE Project. The first seat is vacated by Henne Vogelsang who has completed his two-term limit. The second seat is currently held by Manu Gupta, appointed to fill in for Peter Linnel who stepped down in August of 2012. Both seats are for a two-year term that begins in January 2013 and ends in January 2015. How to Vote: If you are a current member of the openSUSE Project, you will soon receive an email with instructions on how to vote via openSUSE Connect polling system. You must be a member in good standing on or before 27 November 2012. If you have not yet received an email within the next 24 hours, please contact the Election Officials committee at election-officials(a)opensuse.org. Each eligible voter will be given two votes to cast, one for each seat to be elected in this cycle. Voting begins today and concludes at 23:00 UTC on 16 December 2012. But I can't decide!: With 8 excellent candidates running for two seats, we feel your pain. Luckily, there's two ways to learn more about the candidates. Option 1: Platforms and Blogs Read the candidates platforms and blogs here. [1] Option 2: Live Q&A Debate Tomorrow, Thursday at 15:00 UTC [2] , candidates will gather in the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode IRC network. A two hour session, moderated by the Election Officials, this will be an opportunity for you to ask questions live. Can't make it, no problem. We will post transcript of the debate here. Got a question you want to ask but can't make it? Post your question in the original news posting of this article at [3]. Thank you, openSUSE Election Officials [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Candidates [2] http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx [3] https://news.opensuse.org/2012/12/05/2013-board-elections-begin-today/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUSE-openSUSE relation: overview about financial decision processes
by Agustin Benito Bethencourt 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

Hi, as I explained in a previous mail, in the past, besides the former Boosters team, there were other SUSE employees working full time in openSUSE with different roles. Now, everybody that works full time in openSUSE is concentrated in a single team, the openSUSE Team at SUSE, that is part of the R&D and Communities department. The above strategy has also been supported from the financial point of view. The economic decisions from SUSE that directly affects openSUSE have also being moved to this department. This move will take some time to consolidate but it is on its way. As I also wrote before, we are working at SUSE on our future actions we will execute as company to support the project/community. Some of those actions have to do with the relation we would like to develop with openSUSE from the financial perspective. We will open a discussion with the Board, through our Chairman, Vincent Untz, about processes to be followed in economic topics. I would like to advance "the framework" in this relevant moment, the Board elections. Until now, most (almost all) of the decision logic on financial matters was placed over SUSE's shoulders. We will propose some measures to transfer part of that logic step by step into the community. This process will be associated to the following concepts: * Agreements: we want to go through this process in agreement with the community. * Transparency: all the processes and decisions have to be done in a transparent way not just toward the community but toward SUSE and other possible sponsors. This mean that budgeting / reporting is a necessary requirement attached to this process. * Scalability: in order for this process to scale, it is necessary that all the financial procedures within the community have the Board as the final and starting point, so our relation with the community in this matter, in the same way that for other sponsors in the future, is routed through them. We understand that it is up to the community to define the relation between the Board and those who will have relation or will manage the economic resources, like the Travel Support Program, Ambassadors, Program etc. Until now, this relation has been directly established with SUSE. We also believe that this relation between Board and executors will be more efficient if it is simple, clear and have trust as an important ingredient. During the next months we have, at least, the following challenges to face from the financial point of view: * The Travel Support Program 2013 * The new Ambassadors Program * A new model for supporting our action in events * Hackathons We would like to encourage the new Board to work with us, facing those challenges together. We will propose that this process is complemented with a definition of the relation between the Board and those who are going to execute these actions. So, in summary, our relation with openSUSE in the financial area, will be routed through the Board step by step, so we all can learn with little pressure and clear direction. Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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