January 2011 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] WebYaST User Guide
by Kostas Koudaras 10 Mar '11

10 Mar '11

I was asked by a new formed Linux Magazine to look for some great tools of the openSUSE project so that I can write some articles about them. I thought about OBS and WebYaST. I let someone else from the Greek community to make the OBS article due to his experience with that tool and I start looking for more information about it today and I found the webYaST user guide that was published today!!! I read it and it is a really great guide. Now I am thinking in making a Greek team to translate it so my question is when I will finish the translation where can I publish it? And if its possible to get informed about the changes that might become so that I can upgrade the translated guide. That's it for now Kostas -- http://opensuse.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://warlordfff.tk me I am not me ------- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] License and copyright issues that openSUSE Weekly News team are coming up against now
by Satoru Matsumoto 20 Feb '11

20 Feb '11

Hello mates, we, openSUSE Weekly News (OWN) team are now facing license and copyright issues. There are some things which are not clear to us. Although most of the issues affect just OWN, I think those issues should be shared by whole project. Sascha, editor in chief of OWN have proposed that we should publish OWN under CC BY-SA 3.0 license [1]. @Sascha Please explain the reason why you think it is better to publish OWN under that license including: * What kind of benefits can we expect by applying CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * Why should we apply CC BY-SA 3.0 instead of other similar licenses? <Explanation from Sascha> The CC BY-SA helps us to give a clear License with clear Restriction. If we publishing under CC BY-SA or another CC License everyone can use our Weekly News, write anything from his content, and republish it. And BTW: Ubuntu and Fedora Newsletters are under CC BY-SA too. BTW2: But this is set on the bottom of every Site inside the normal Site. The GFDL which is used by openSUSE is a good License too. But it is needed to paste the whole License inside every new produce. If we're using CC then is a Link enough. </Explanation from Sascha> What are the points that are not yet clear enough? # Please do not confound copyright with license. * For contents on Wiki, license is clearly specified: "All content is made available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 ("GFDL") unless expressly indicated otherwise."[2] But how about contents on other *.opensuse.org sites? * Can we include contents, of which licenses aren't clearly mentioned, in OWN and publish under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? Or, should we "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of each article, even if the article is from news.o.o, lizards.o.o, lists.o.o and planet.o.o? (If we should do so, we have to "expressly indicate otherwise" the license of almost every article, because most of the articles now on OWN are from those sites or external news sites or private blogs. But if 90% of the contents are not under CC BY-SA or any other clear license, do we really need to publish OWN under that license?) * Which country's copyright law and guidelines should we refer to? <from Sascha> In Germany we have the "Citiation Law", who says, that everyone can paste from every written document into a new one. But it can't be used for the whole document, just for a citiation (Maybe 3 Paragraphs or so...) Exists any similar Law in other Countries too? </from Sascha> * Can current drawing (citation) from external sites or personal blogs be considered "legitimate"? (This is closely related to the above question.) - As far as I refer to Japanese copyright law and guidelines, our current style doesn't meet the requirements for "legitimate quotation". - For example, if AuthorA wrote an article titled "About B" on SiteC that says "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! But some don't like cats." ... -- Our current style: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)" cannot be considered legitimate quotation. This style may be considered "reprint" and if there is a mention "all rights reserved" on the original SiteC, we are not allowed to reprint except otherwise specially permitted. --- And this means, that we cannot "reprint" articles from *.opensuse.org except Wiki (contents on Wiki are published under GFDL), because we can read the mention "© 2010 Novell, Inc. All rights reserved." on the bottom of each page on those sites. -- If we introduce the original article like: "SiteC/AutherA: About B" - In this article, AuthorA is making out "I love cats. In particular, I love kittens, because they are so cute! (...)". I totally agree. I think kitten is the most cutest animal on earth! -- this can be considered legitimate quotation. # Therefore, Ubuntu people don't just "copy & paste" parts of articles from external sites in their Weekly News. When they introduce an article from external site, they are going to write an introductory article by themselves and include citation from original article in it. * How can we solve these problems? - Can we ask Novell to apply CC BY-SA 3.0 license for every content on *.opensuse.org including Wiki? If that'll be OK, most of the problems will be solved. -- In that case, do we need Contributor License Agreement [3] to explain that all the contributed documents on *.opensuse.org will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? -- But still, how we can deal with articles which are aggregated on planet.o.o wouldn't that clear. Will all the authors accept that their articles will be published under CC BY-SA 3.0 license? * How should we deal with articles from external sites in OWN? Alternatives may be: - We won't introduce articles from external sites anymore. - We will just introduce sites name, authors name, title and link URL with short comment (For example: "In this article, the author explains how to ...") by editors. - When we introduce an article from external site, editor will write an introductory article for that as Gertjan does for Forums section now. (I think this is the best option. But in order to do so, we need much more help.) We need all those points to be clear. Suggestions and proposals are welcome. [1] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Terms_of_site#Copyright_notice [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contributor_License_Agreement Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Countdown counter for 11.4
by Pascal Bleser 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

The openSUSE release countdown is available for openSUSE 11.4 (remaining days computed towards the currently planned release date of 2011-03-10 at 14:00 UTC). It is available in 3 sizes and many languages to promote openSUSE on your site or blog. Instructions and details are on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Countdown NB: the "wide" size is still pending, will finish it ASAP cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM XI: 5 + 6 Feb 2011, http://fosdem.org

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[opensuse-project] Tumbleweed status & how to promote it
by Jos Poortvliet 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Hi all, I have some questions about Tumbleweed. First of all, I wonder what the status is and will be. If someone enables Tumbleweed on the upcoming 11.4, is it very likely that most packages will be updated or are we still talking about a small subset? Second and related to the first question, to what extend should we promote Tumbleweed? Is it a major 11.4 thing? Can we truly say Tumbleweed is something people can and should use, will it offer a pretty-much-complete rolling- release distro? (notice that this is relevant for our "why openSUSE" talking points at [1]) Third, if the answer to the second point is positive, should we make it easy somehow to enable Tumbleweed? Eg some tickbox on installation or in our package management system? Obviously, I love Tumbleweed - for the slightly-more-experienced linux user and for those who love the latest & greatest it is awesome - and this happens to be a pretty big chunk of our target usergroup :D On a personal note, I also love Tumbleweed because I think rolling-release stuff rocks - I come from Arch and frankly it's the major thing I loved about it. Cheers, Jos [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Talking_points#Why_openSUSE

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[opensuse-project] Testmail
by Sascha Manns 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

Just a testmail. please ignore -- Sincerely Yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Community & Support Agent openSUSE Membership Comitee openSUSE Electioncomitee openSUSE Marketing Team Packager in Build Service Blog: http://saigkill.wordpress.com Web: http://www.saschamanns.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] science repo again
by Alin Marin Elena 27 Jan '11

27 Jan '11

Hi there!!! Can anyone please enable vtk and link/add qwt (iti is already in education repo) to the science/opensuse_Factory repo please? I am building a scientific package that should be submitted soon to the science repo... I also have another one ready to submit... what is the procedure? regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address: Room 318, UCD Engineering and Material Science Centre University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net alin.elena(a)ucdconnect.ie, alinm.elena(a)gmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board election results
by Thomas Schmidt 27 Jan '11

27 Jan '11

The openSUSE board election[1] closed today, so we have 2 new members on the board replacing Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang. Election results: Henne Vogelsang, 125 votes Peter Linnell, 72 votes Sankar P, 71 votes Sebastion Kuegler, 64 votes Chuck Payne, 39 votes Nelson Marques, 23 votes which makes 220 votes out of 469 members who were eligible to vote. Thanks for all candidates who stepped up and all members who casted their votes! Greetings from the election committee! (election-officials(a)opensuse.org) [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 -- Thomas Schmidt (tschmidt [at] suse.de) SUSE Linux Products GmbH :: Research & Development :: Tools "Wir sind nicht in Vietnam, sondern beim Bowling. Hier gibt es Regeln." John Goodman in Big Lebowsky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Should/could the guiding principles be more than just guiding?
by Per Jessen 26 Jan '11

26 Jan '11

Jim Henderson wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:37:56 +0100, Per Jessen wrote: > >>> But if there's no meaning to agreeing to those principles, then why >>> have them? >> >> To indicate intent and direction. > > I agree this discussion is overall for another time and place. > > But as food for thought for when that conversation does take place, > consider that if someone isn't following that guidance, they're > probably not (in some way) following that intent/direction, which > would seem to me to be problematic. There is room for quite a bit of debate here - take the topic that started this, the expulsion of an openSUSE member for violating the _guiding_ principles. That in itself is very problematic. Wrt time and place, now is as good as any and this list is quite appropriate, albeit in a new thread. Let me start with saying that I think the guiding principles are fine and I don't think they need changing. However, IMHO, they are not formulated in a way that makes it possible to expel someone for not following them. They are worded in terms of "We are ..., we want to ... , we value ...". That's perfectly fine for a set of "guiding principles", but doesn't even come close to e.g. a code of conduct. There is no need to discuss the current "case" any further, but I think we need to ask ourselves this - are the guiding principles really good/clear enough to form the base of someone being expelled? To me, they're guidance only and nowhere near clear enough to form the base of any kind of punitive action. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (-3.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [RED] Two days left for the LinuxTag Call for Papers
by Henne Vogelsang 25 Jan '11

25 Jan '11

Hey Guys, we have 2 days left to submit talks to the LinuxTag Program for 2011. http://wiki.linuxtag.org/w/vp:Call_for_Papers Interesting highlight in the CFP this year is the point "Cross Distribution Collaboration". I guess we can resume a lot of our topics from the openSUSE Conference and FOSDEM like Bretzn, AppStream, OBS, Zypp, openQA and the like. Of course other topics also are fine. Please take a moment to think about what you can do and then go to http://vcc.linuxtag.org and put in a talk. This is our last chance to make something happen in that program! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project Meeting Tomorrow Canceled
by Henne Vogelsang 25 Jan '11

25 Jan '11

Hey, due to Hackweek6 the project meeting tomorrow at 12:00 UTC is canceled. The board meeting at 19:00 UTC will take place! Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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