August 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Disappointed in last Weekly news.
by Dean Hilkewich 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

After looking though the weekly news, I do have to say that I am disappointed that no status, comments, etc have been given on the 'KDE as default' issue. This after all the number one openfate item and the lack of updates from the team is concerning to say the least. There is a clear and decisive trend to the issue from the community but it seems the ones that have final say are hoping if nothing is said that the issue will disappear. Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Use of logo on community created support materials
by Greg Freemyer 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

All, (I just subscribed, so I hope this is not a FAQ). Looking at <http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf> I don't see addressed a situation were a opensuse community member creates docs like: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/1/17/Zypper-cheat-sheet-1.pdf http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/3/30/Zypper-cheat-sheet-2.pdf which are referenced in: http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage/11.1 Under Quick Reference Am I missing it? If not, could the guideline have a section added to cover community created docs of this kind. I personally think it is a great doc and would like to see more of the same. fyi: These were created by Juan De Vincenzo <juandevincenzo(a)gmail.com> who is in cc of this msg. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - <http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html> The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [Weekly News] Many Thanks to Translators
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hello Mates, i'm pleased to announce, that our Issue 83 is translated to 6 Languages: * japanese * russian * espanol * indonesian * hungarian * taiwanese. Maybe we find regular Translators for : * portugese * poland * italian * chinese * sweden * france. But all in all we are very joyful to see our translations. -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of project meetings
by Vincent Untz 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hey, I always miss the project meetings because I'm usually busy at that time and forget there's a meeting. Completely my fault :-) However, I'd like to know what was discussed. So having minutes of those meetings would be nice. Can we make this happen somehow? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] iChain Team
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hello Mates, which Team are signed for iChain? -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Core Teams and OBS
by Magnus Boman 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hello, In the GNOME team, we currently trying to come up with a way to set the bugowner so that the GNOME Core Team gets notified when bugreports are created. The only way I can see this be done, is to create a Novell account, an email account and then add rules to forward incoming emails to people in the Core Team. Although possible, it is a bit inconvenient to have the above dummy accounts. It'd be nice if we: * In users.o.o, the Team Owner, could create a group that gets assigned an email address (ie, gnome-maintainers(a)opensuse.org), and add members to this group. The group is basically a mailinglist * In OBS, groups created in users.o.o can be used as bugowner I thought of creating a FATE request for it, but it touches users.o.o, OBS and the mailinglist infrastructure so not sure if we need 1 or 3 requests for it. Comments? Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Draft of Desktop Policy
by Andreas Jaeger 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

After reading all emails and having many discussions about the default desktop topic, I've wrote up the following draft proposal (at the end of my long email) and propose to enact it. Note, let's keep have the following important questions to keep in mind: * What is a fair treatment all involved parties that do great work? * What is the best for openSUSE? What will help openSUSE grow? Preamble There are many decisions that a Linux distribution does for its users, e.g. packages installed by default and version of packages, and also which of these decisions can be changed by the user or where the distribution limits the user or makes it difficult for the user to decide. openSUSE's installation tries to ask the user as little as possible and uses good heuristics e.g. on how to partition a system. It also comes with an automatic configuration which sets up the system in a default way. Nevertheless a couple of questions are asked during installation - and some of these are considered difficult questions for a user. The decision about e.g. default editor (emacs, vi, joe,...) or default filesystem are decisions that the distribution does on behalf of the user - even while most users have a preference here. Users expect from a distribution to adjust their system, e.g. change the default editor, in an easy way. The success of a distribution depends on both how it serves the needs of its current users but also on how it addresses new Linux users. While there is friendly competition between different desktops, the real competition is between Open Source desktop environment and closed source ones - and therefore the question of default desktop should be considered on what's best for new Linux users. Many think that openSUSE should decide for new users on a default desktop - and on the other hand make it easy for users to choose a different one or install additional ones. A decision on the desktop question has to look not only on which desktop is the default but also what this means for this desktop and the other desktops. The Desktop Policy gives such a framework. Making one default the desktop will not change the way that Novell sponsors the openSUSE community project. There have been comments that making a decision for a default will help both the GNOME and KDE development teams to give users a better desktop experience. I'm inviting those to stand up to their comments and really help out - openSUSE as a community distribution will only get a desktop that is as good as the development community will make it. Desktop Policy 0. The following text uses GNOME and KDE in alphabetical order. These rules apply to development of openSUSE only, not for any other Novell products. 1. Both GNOME and KDE are first class desktops in openSUSE: neither is technically superior to the other. openSUSE should be known as the distribution with the best GNOME desktop and the best KDE desktop! 2. We make it easy to choose between these two desktops during installation, install both of them - or install others as well. 3. On the relevant screen during installation the most popular desktop is preselected, the desktops are listed in alphabetical order. 4. This screen will explain that both GNOME and KDE are first class desktops and the default is based on popularity. 5. Let's sit together at the openSUSE conference and decide what both GNOME and KDE beeing first-class desktops signifies and how all desktop development teams can work together. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj(a){novell.com,opensuse.org} SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 5 Released
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 5 (M5) is now available for download[1]. It includes several updates, new features, bugfixes, and other improvements. This milestone includes KDE 4.3 final, a kernel built specifically for desktop systems, and beta 1 of OpenOffice.org 3.1.1. This is a Milestone Release, one of several that lead up to the 11.2 final release in November. It may not be suitable for production systems, but is ready for contributors who want to help with testing and development for 11.2. Changes Since openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 4 =========================================== Lots of changes since the M4 release! This release is built with GCC 4.4.1, and debug packages are generated for each sub-package. It also includes many updated packages and a few new packages, including: * Linux kernel 2.6.31-rc4 * Xen 3.4.1 RC10 * GNOME 2.27.5 * PackageKit 0.5 * Apache 2.2.12 * Choqok 0.6.1 * VirtualBox 3.0.2 A more complete list can be found on the wiki[2] and an updated list of Factory packages can be found on DistroWatch[3]. 11.2 is looking fantastic. Want screenshots? We've got 'em! Check out the shots here[4], and/or add your own. Most Annoying Bugs ====================== As this is a milestone release, 11.2 M5 does contain a few bugs that we know about, but should not stand between courageous contributors and release testing. The big bugs in 11.2 M5 are: * Live CD ISOs will not boot from USB on some hardware * The GNOME Live-CD image is missing Tomboy, Beagle, and GNOME-Do. * Bug #529098[5]: x86_64 DVD ISO doesn't fit on DVD * Bug #522025[6]: X doesn't display properly in VirtualBox machines with big video memory. Workaround: reduce video memory size or switch to first console and back (default: right Ctrl-F1, right Ctrl-F7) * Bug #529113[7]: and Bug #482749[8]: kdesu does not work (for example, starting YaST), work-around: 'su -c "unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS;yast2"' * Bug #528397[9]: X server might hang with some video drivers (vesa, intel) in runlevel 5 before the KDM logon occurs. A workaround can be found in this comment[10]. You can track the Most Annoying Bugs on the wiki[11] along with 11.2 development. Testing! Testing! Testing! ============================== As you can see, 11.2 M5 does have a few annoying bugs that we know about -- but there may be more lurking somewhere in the release that haven't been found yet. If you want to make sure 11.2 final is free of Most Annoying Bugs, we'll need your help finding, reporting, and fixing those hidden bugs. Holger Sickenberg has put out a call for testing team members. If you're interested in doing some heavy testing on openSUSE, check out Holger's announcement[12]. To learn more about testing openSUSE, visit the Testing[13] pages on the openSUSE wiki. To follow the testing and development process, we suggest that you subscribe to the openSUSE-Factory mailing list, and join the #openSUSE- Factory channel on Freenode to discuss openSUSE development. Get Milestone 5 Today! ========================== What are you waiting for? Grab the milestone release today! Downloads are available at software.opensuse.org/developer/[14] now. Note, if you need to try the live DVD on a machine with no CD-ROM drive, you can copy it to a USB key with the following command: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M Replace "image.iso" with the name of the ISO image that you have downloaded, and replace "sdX" with the actual device name of your USB drive. Be careful! This will erase the target device, so make sure you have the correct device name and have any vital data backed up! The next milestone will be released on August 20th. [1]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News [3]: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse [4]: http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots/11.2_Milestones [5]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529098 [6]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522025 [7]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=529113 [8]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=482749 [9]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528397 [10]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528397#c3 [11]: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.2_dev [12]: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/07/24/call-for-opensuse-core-test-team/ [13]: http://en.opensuse.org/Testing/ [14]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
by Charles Kerr 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Lubos Lunak wrote: >> On Monday 03 of August 2009, Jean Cayron wrote: >> >> Hope that it can help positively to put an end to this never >> ending discussion. > I'm afraid it cannot. Assuming you are serious about this, then this > does not actually change almost anything. It mitigates a small part > of the problem but it creates new ones (would there be somebody who > would not laugh at us for this?) and it doesn't solve the primary problem. > > It was a mistake to present the UI itself as a problem, as that is just a > demonstration of the underlying problem. Please see the "my KDE summary" > mail from me, 3rd paragraph especially. The problem is there is a > perception that openSUSE does not treat KDE even at least equally as GNOME, > because GNOME is artificially elevated to they-are-both-default status > with KDE, even though this is nowhere else done in openSUSE. > The official message to KDE "you are equally welcome in openSUSE" conflicts > with openSUSE granting special rights to KDE's competing project that are > not granted to any other project included in openSUSE. This is my first post to -project, so before I dive in, a quick introduction: I wrote and maintain the Qt /and/ GTK+ versions of Transmission, and switch Dekstops every few weeks. I sympathise with both sides -- as both a user and a developer -- and have been reading this thread with interest. I think two unchecked radiobuttons are both fair, defensible ideas. I'm sure everyone can see why GNOME people would prefer GNOME to go first. I'm sure everyone can see why KDE people would prefer KDE to go first. Jean's Belgian solution seems like a great compromise suggestion to me. Some GNOME users' (such as Jim's) concession saying "put KDE at the top" seems like an earnest attempt to keep the peace, and to keep balance. Lubos and a couple of others keep slapping down those suggestions based on reasoning that seems shaky to me. The argument is that users don't have to choose bash vs zsh, or emacs vs vim, and so on; therefore, making users choose between KDE and GNOME is inherently biased to GNOME. But that's apples and oranges -- choosing a Desktop also chooses a raft of default applications, such as (say) KTorrent or Monsoon. That's a *huge* choice compared to a shell or MUA. They're not even in the same ballpark. > would there be somebody who would not laugh at us for this? I woudn't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Best Proposal is AJ's with Check Boxes instead of radial
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Hello, I think after all the talk, Using AJ's Proposal with check boxes works... Summary. 1. Modify Screnn with Text that makes it clear that both are equally supported DE. 2. Change to check Boxes with KDE listed first and preselected. 3. Make it clear that the ordering is based on... This means order may change in the future, but that ordering is based On most popular of the community. a) This makes it clear that the most popular DE will always be listed first. b) This avoids any political statements. c) Treats both DE's equally. 4. This allows a new user to just click next. 5. Make links that if the network is setup, the user is able to go to the various DE's home page to learn more to make the choice. 6. Possible small walk through the desktops to demostate them. Personally I never liked having to make a choice here. I always have to go to the advanced modes and select the patterns I really want. As I have to have both to appease the various people using the machine. I hope this will allow us to really focus on what is in 11.2 and stop wasting time and bandwidth rehashing the same old things. Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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