August 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
by Michael Loeffler 07 Sep '09

07 Sep '09

Hi all, the topic of a "default desktop" was raised in July as a feature[1] in our openFATE feature tracking system by a community member, and it was a subject of a lively debate within openFATE and on the openSUSE Project mailing list[2]. The default desktop is an issue that many openSUSE users and contributors are passionate about. After consideration of the project discussion I discussed the feature request further with the openSUSE Board and other leaders within the openSUSE project and came to the decision to follow the request: we will default the radio button to KDE in the DVD installer. Therefore, with openSUSE 11.2 release, the KDE desktop will be installed if the user accepts the default setting. Users can also choose the GNOME desktop at this stage. We want to make clear that both desktops are considered equal citizens within the openSUSE Project, and this will not have any impact on the quality of the GNOME desktop within openSUSE. GNOME will continue to be offered as a top- level installation choice, and we will continue to strive to provide the best GNOME and KDE desktop experience. Thanks to everyone for conducting the conversation in a professional and courteous manner and for the quality of feedback we've received. This shows the strength of our community, and it's good to know we can address the tough issues head on and remain focused on the project goals. Best Michael [1] https://features.opensuse.org/306967 [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-08/ -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More Statistics
by Stephan Kulow 04 Sep '09

04 Sep '09

Hi, I updated my scripts to rescan the last 8 weeks of apache logs for 11.2 data (it took less than 3 days - we're talking 15G of compressed apache that needs to be evaluated and my poor workstation is doing alot of other stuff :) http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics now has preliminary 11.2 data (I will reset them when 11.2 is out, for now the goal is to test the statistics - I found already smaller problems caused by aria2c now having a longer user agent) Anyway, what we see is that there are around 1000 new factory installations per week and that's great - we can assume some do fresh installations into VMs, but the number still indicates a lot of factory users. And 11.1 is still growing, which is also good - as 11.2 will still take some time (and that will also mean that many will not switch to 11.2 as they just found the time to update to 11.1 :) But http://ktown.kde.org/~coolo/repos.png implies that the 11.1 hype is over, we reached again a limit we had before the 11.1 release of IPs accessing our servers (every IP counts only counts once for the oldest product). Then again, the traffic always goes down in summers (both the nothern and the southern hemisphere summer - some call the second summer christmas, but that is politically incorrect I guess :) The week in march when download.o.o was down (and I miss 60 hours of logs), had only half the IPs, so this is a neat reminder that dialup users make it impossible to guess how many users there are. We see on average 5 IPs pro cookie. So there are between 80.000 and 1.000.000 11.1 users - any more concrete number is only a guess I'm afraid. http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/42464.html claims their user base is 115% of the sum of total IPs for fedora. That again would give you 6,5 Million openSUSE 11.1 users and 9,2 Million users of 11.0 - And live cds are still a mistery - in 8 weeks there were only 9 live installations found, but that maybe because people do not do updates in these live installations. I have no other explanation atm, but that mistery is the reason I do this 11.2 logs parsing that early. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference: Key Signing Party, anyone ?
by Pascal Bleser 31 Aug '09

31 Aug '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I believe that we should take the opportunity of meeting in real life to also organize a key signing party at the openSUSE Conference. Unfortunately, I'm too busy to coordinate it, which is a bit of work. Typically, it requires everyone with a GPG/PGP key to send their fingerprint to the coordinator _before_ the event, and to have their key on a key server too. The coordinator then stops accepting key fingerprints a few days before the event, puts together a list of all the fingerprints along with the respective name and email address of each person the key belongs to, and puts that list on the web. All the participants (who have submitted their key's fingerprint) then print out that list and bring it with them to the conference. We'll then have to take an hour or so to check each other's fingerprint as well as each person's ID (ID, driver license, passport, whatever). Then, when we're home, we sign the public keys and mark them as trusted in our keyring, and upload that information to the key servers again. It would be particularly appropriate to do that at the conference because it *requires* meeting in real life in order to check the other persons' identity. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFKnD2yr3NMWliFcXcRAtSFAJ97jwlE+1q7FtjkKXL99dFShAiMzQCgumIQ C56zb6UcJQZnxFZJ2ubfjGo= =5Z4W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Question related to Distributed package and updates distribution System
by Vinu Rajashekhar 29 Aug '09

29 Aug '09

Hi, I was going through the openSUSE GSOC 2009 projects list when I came upon the last project on the list - Distributed package and updates distribution System , basically about using a p2p system to do distributed package management. I am interested in doing this, but isn't there already things like apt-p2p out there which is a good enough solution. So do you want to basically port apt-p2p to openSUSE or make an entirely new solution from scratch ? I didn't know where exactly to post this, so I am posting here in the most general mailing list for developers. Regards, Vinu -- Vinu Rajashekhar, 5th Year Dual Degree Student, Deptt of Computer Science & Engg, IIT Kharagpur, India. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for Election committee members
by Michael Loeffler 28 Aug '09

28 Aug '09

Moin, as we'll have a re-election of two seats of the openSUSE Board this year in autumn I'd like to invite people to step up for participation in the Election Committee. Tasks of the Election Committee: - manage and drive the whole election - define voting - define time line for the election - define the different phases - do all announcements around the election - set up and organize the ballot - etc. I'm already in contact with the election committee of last years election [1] and two members are already willing to participate in this team again. Anyone interested in helping to organize this election please contact me, I'll bring the election committee together. And thanks to everyone in advance who wants to support this important effort. Best Michael [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Board_Election [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Board_Election/2008 -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Apache Foundation's Gianugo Rabellino to Keynote openSUSE Conference
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 27 Aug '09

27 Aug '09

The openSUSE Project is pleased to announce its second confirmed keynote for the first-ever openSUSE Conference[1]. Our closing keynote will be delivered by Gianugo Rabellino, Chief Executive Officer of Sourcesense[2] and member of the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). Rabellino serves as Vice President of the Apache XML Project Management Committee, is a committer on several ASF projects including Cocoon, Xindice, and Jackrabbit, as well as mentor of a number of projects currently in development at the ASF Incubator. Rabellino's keynote, "Open Development in the trenches: a decade at the Apache Software Foundation" will provide a "look behind the scenes" at the Apache Software Foundation's 10 years of open source leadership. The opening keynote will be given by Leslie Hawthorn of Google. Leslie is a program manager for Google’s Open Source Programs Office, and community manager for the Google Summer of Code. The topic of the keynote is "Mentoring for Fun and Profit," and the full description can be found on the openSUSE Conference Web site. The openSUSE Conference is an opportunity for openSUSE contributors to attend talks, workshops, Birds of a Feather sessions, and collaborate together face to face. The conference will be held from September 17 through September 20 in Nürnberg, Germany. Register today[3] to reserve your spot! The conference will have two daily tracks of pre-planned talks, plus "BarCamp" style tracks for attendees to plan and provide their own content. Scheduled talks include: * openSUSE Build Service and Cross-Platform Packaging: Peter Linnell * Git in the openSUSE Build Service: Andreas Gruenbacher * openSUSE & Moblin: Michael Meeks Unconference ============= The openSUSE Conference will also have a major "unconference" component. We'll have plenty of time for contributors to discuss and work on topics they're interested in face to face. Unconference planning is being done on the openSUSE wiki[4]. Want to lead a session? Jump in and edit the wiki! Register Today! ================ The conference is less than a month away. If you haven't registered yet, you need to do so today! Registration is at conference.opensuse.org/registration. We'll accept registrations up to the conference, but space is limited. Hotels and Getting There ========================= Time is running out to book your hotel for the openSUSE Conference. Limited space is still available in the venue. All registrants should have received information on booking hotel. Registrations are being made through Alexia Henrie (ahenrie at novell.com) More information on hotels[5] and directions[6] can be found on the conference Web site. [1]: http://conference.opensuse.org/ [2]: http://www.sourcesense.com/en/home [3]: http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ [4]: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Unconference [5]: http://conference.opensuse.org/where-to-stay/ [6]: http://conference.opensuse.org/getting-there/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE conference and how to there and around
by Michael Loeffler 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Moin, I just created this page which should help to find your way to the conference in general and around in NUE: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Conf_2009_Howtogetthere Feel free to review edit and add stuff when necessary. BTW: If you're not registered yet please do so. http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ It will make planning a lot easier ;-) Thanks Michael -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openFATE feature #307495: GNOME default
by Christian Jäger 26 Aug '09

26 Aug '09

Hello all, as it now seems to be practice th on default desktop environment and other politicking are introduced by majority votes on openSUSE's feature request portal, we were bound to create an option for GNOME users to vote for their favorite desktop on openFATE. Here it is: #307495: GNOME default For those of us who want to make the only sane choice and vote against having any desktop environment default, I have created: #307496: return to having no default desktop environment Greets, Chris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Report #1 OpenSUSE LTS/openSLE (Long summary)
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello, Many of us have been thinking about this for years... openFATE #306982: Create an open SLES https://features.opensuse.org/306982 really started the ball rolling on this idea and gave it life. I am reporting back the significant points from the new ML created. To sum things up... We need a set of guidelines that must be followed. These should include... URL's for the Guidelines we should/must reference are as follows.. openSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging Fedora https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines We need to define a set of guidelines for either project we choose. These guidelines with be used and need to be reveiwed by someone with legal knowledge. Once we define these guidelines we will post them as an RFC to the opensuse-project ML. So to sum things up. 1. I see us creating a server OS with long lifetime. 2. Packages have to be 100 % binary compatible with our defined target. Only aberrations with removal of trademarks and or legal reasons are allowed. 3. Every change has to be reproducable and tracked via an available SCM. I personally prefer GIT. We need to make sure we keep in mind using an OBS as the prefered method of doing the task of building and releasing, and other things it provides. This can be local BS or on the OBS. The GIT GSOC project bsgit(*) provided a great front end to the OBS. may assist us in this task. The code finish code has to be made publically available. 4. Every code change to the project has to have a SR and the 3 positive votes accepting it before it is published. (Model after openSUSE Factory). 5. We need legal advice on the setup of the packaging guidelines. (What we have to remove to stay legal, and ... (Not much in the way of legal would be needed for openSUSE LTS) 6. The guidelines should be written down and rpmlint checks made where possible to insure we abide by the guidelines and avoid legal issues. There are basically two choices as the subject reports. 1. openSUSE LTS A longer life spam of openSUSE releases. 2. openSLE(S,D) A binary compatible with SLES/SLED >From all the information gathered from the various contacts openSLED is really not an option. openSUSE and SLED fill this requirement. So there is not need for it. So the group must decide on which of the openSUSE LTS or openSLES they want to do. This is what I have so far on pros and cons for each. openSLE Pro 1. security fixes are already done for the lifetime of the release. 2. Smaller number of rpm's 3. Server oriented without a lot of clutter. 4. All that would be needed is to remove the branding and rebrand it for openSLE. A much smaller task. 5. Binary compatible for SLES. Cons 1. Possiblity of antagonizing the Novell upper management.(Probable) 2. Not the most politically acceptable solution 3. Needs legal advice to conform to legal requirements. 4. Needs a legal entity to control the SLES subscription and have the ability to get the patches to SLES. (Might be considered a pro) 5. May need community provided local BS. openSUSE LTS Pros 1. No real legal issues. 2. The ability to choose just the OSS easily. 3. Large base of openSUSE users. 4. Definitely able to use the OBS. 5. Community driven in all ways. Cons 1. More packages that have to be paired down to a workable number. 2. Community driven in all ways. 3. Do we have enough people we trust to do back ports over the lifetime? 4. Need highly driven members as everything will be on their sholders. 5. I feel there will be more work with openSUSE LTS than with openSLE. It had said time and time again that the openSUSE community is free to create a community supported LTS and Novell will assist and provide the necessary infrastructure but will not help by maintaining any packages. Personally I really doubt there are enough willing and able people in the current community to properly backport e.g. security fixes, drivers for the kernel, and so on. This is why I think the idea of a "cummunity supported LTS" won't work. (or at least will not produce anything "One would want to run on a publice server"). Therefore I fee the right option is the do an openSLES, but this as of yet has not been decided. * bsgit http://gitorious.org/opensuse/bsgit -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Weekly News: Announcing Meetings via news.o.o
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello Mates, i would just remind you, to announce meetings in news.o.o too. The thing behind them is, that we use an script for fetching news.o.o events automaticly. It would be great if we all have the events on an central place. Thank you very much :-) -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE DE based DVD Images & Drop Live-CDs
by Sankar P 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi, I recently started doing a lot of mark-all-as-read in the opensuse-project mailing list due to the sheer volume. So this may be asked by someone and answered, already. If so, Please excuse me and point me to the right URL of the archive. I will just read from there. Google and GMail search didnt help in locating this myself. A lot has been discussed about the default desktop in the installation media. But why not have DVD images of the entire applications that relate to a single desktop. Kernel, X, OpenOffice, Firefox etc. will remain common. For a pure GNOME/KDE user, LiveCD will not be sufficient with all the packages and [s]he may need other Desktop applications as well. (No more fights between pidgin/empathy/xchat ? monsoon/transmission ? give both). In this way, in the http://software.opensuse.org page, you just have to add a row: GNOME/KDE/BOTH . choosing BOTH will download an image that when installed will pre-select KDE (as per the previous decision). One thing I could see is, it will increase the workload for maintaining, LIVE-CD, Full-DVD, Desktop-DVD. If the download statistics of live-cd are comparably low, we can just ignore it and maintain only DVD images of Live-Desktop-editions. If a person really wants to try Linux and [s]he is ready to download a live-cd, I dont think [s]he will hesitate to download a live-dvd image as well. Any other drawbacks in this ? -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ML creation to discuss and form a openSUSE group
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello, I wish to avoid cluttering the openSUSE ML's. So I have created this email list to discuss and form this group. http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensuse-group We will post back in RFC to the opensuse-project ML. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Project Meeting Wednesday August 26, 2009 at 16:00 UTC
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

The next openSUSE Project meeting will take place today (Wednesday August 26) at 16:00 UTC. See all time zones on the Fixed Time World Clock[1]. As always, the meeting will be held in IRC on the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode. Please add your topics to the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2009-08-26 Please add topics as soon as possible. Also, if you have questions for the meeting, but can't attend (we know that the meeting times can't work for everyone) please add them to the agenda as well. For more on IRC meetings, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About. As always, we meet in #opensuse-project on Freenode. Fire up your favorite IRC client and head over to #opensuse-project. Not familiar with IRC? A good overview can be found at irchelp.org. This site is not affiliated with openSUSE. For more information on Freenode, see http://freenode.net/. Wondering what meeting times are? Check the openSUSE Meetings page[2]. All project meetings and team meetings should be listed there. [1]: http://is.gd/2wstW [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Visible archive for the lists so no subscription is necessary except to reply.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Here is the archive for the openSLE ML. http://lists.zenez.com/pipermail/opensle/ and for the opensuse-group ML http://lists.zenez.com/pipermail/opensuse-group/ -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ML creation for discussion of openSLES and openSUSE LTS
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hello, I have created an email list for those interested discussing and working together to create a set of guidelines and responsibities. So If you want to join this list you can goto http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensle Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Creating a group of conserned Users and Novell partners/longer life time for openSUSE... (LONG POST)
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hello, With the annoucement today. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2009-08/msg00009.html that openSUSE is on a 18 month cycle, maybe we need to form a group... The thought is that a possible out come of this group maybe an openSLE which would be like this model fedora->centos->RHEL but for SUSE -SLES openSUSE->openSLE->SLE-| -SLED This is from the end of the project meeting. I hope the boat has not sailed already and it is too late. My thoughts from what I have heard from talks with clients, IRC chats, and misc. WARNING (This is my honest view/perception and is not politically correct) 1. Many small business owners/small companies feel there is a lack of attention to their needs from Novell. That is to say Novell only listens to "Monster Enterprise Clients" Solution: We form a group that combined has equivelant $$$ behind it to warrent attention. 2. Many resent replies from Novell people (although it is just their opinion) through the various mediums treat SMB's and their staff as idiots. It comes off as if it comes from arrogant 20-something know it alls dictating what the community has to do. To quote some CEO's and COO... "The SUSE/Novell people act like a bunch arrogant 20-something ... that treat us and are staff like idiots.) SMB's have to contribute more time/money/resources to keep openSUSE going. (Why should we when we are treated like idiots)? Solution: Better communitcation. Some signs of improvement, but a strong feeling of being dictated, rather than lead" 3. They are really concerned "OpenSUSE distro is moving toward just a desktop Ubunto clone. They are ignoreing what was there bigest strength. Providing a Polished First Class Stable Server with necessary Desktop fetures." Solution: This could be solved by openSLE (A openSUSE centos like clone as refered in the above example). 4. "Tired of hearing we do this for fun, it is not my problem/responsibility, hire a programmer or become one." "Fix it yourself as it is a community distro. The community is not doing enough or is too small." What happens is or feels like the various groups that are part of the community are not fully trusted. What I see/feel/hear is that globally the openSUSE distro is moving to the bottom of the Linux Distro Heap. I am being asked to move to CentOS as it has a longer support window. "Having to update my OS every 2 years is a real pain in the butt! Now it is moving to a 18 month window. I really need to look at something else that meets my needs" Business like to stay as long as they are able to the release. "If it aint broke don't fix it!" "We really need a fall back position. What are your recommendations? Doesn't Novell realize who pays their salaries? What about Ubunto, Debian, Fedora/CentOS, or Solaris, BSDs?" Solution: Have the openSUSE->openSLE->SLES/SLED path available. At some of the event I and others I talk with have attended it is often asked "Why doesn't Novell offer an opneSLE alternitive?" People using the fedora->CentOS->RHEL talk of how many of the business they support move this route to become RHEL customers. I think we (being the SUSE prefered" really would benefit from a similar path. That is why I am trying to somehow get a group organized. So we are able to have our voice heard at the higher levels of Novell. Thanks for reading this. I propose using the Freenode IRC #opensuse-server channel and either of the lists in the CC. to further discuss this idea and form a group. Thank you, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Unable to Install cause of too old drivers, due to long release cycles
by Lars Steen 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Dear List, I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable. As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset. I use SuSe for many year's as a user and not so far as an admin. That's why I was unable to solve the problem. As I had no ideas I used other distro's. All of them had the same problem, since there came a new release. After a new release I was able to boot and successfully install the other distro's. As SuSestudio was launched I hoped my dreams come through and I will be able to build just a small one for myself for installation. But it was not possible, even the new builded one's crashed. For the opensuse studio I need an "updated" Kernel & driver just to boot modern hardware. After that I will be able to come along. My intension is to give a distribution a new "Kernel & Driver" without testing and verifying the hole buch of software. The endusersoftware and features should kept untouched.So the release has the same usability/features. To get it clear: These "Kernel"-releases are only for installation issues during boot and absolutely not for any software problem. For software issues is the updater ok and does a good work (in my opinion). I am worrying about the release cycles of 8 months as very long hope you find my tip useful just to help the community to install on modern hardware. regards Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Statistics (Was Re: [opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Bryen M Yunashko<suserocks(a)bryen.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 18:56 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote: >> On Friday 21 August 2009 17:29:48 Vincent Untz wrote: >> > We do have something like this: >> > http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics >> > >> > It doesn't report anything on the "which desktop is more popular?" >> > topic, though. >> > >> Do we want that? If we agree it's important I'm sure we can put >> desktop specific updates online for the sake of counting :) >> >> Greetings, Stephan > > Frankly, even that would be misleading. I use GNOME but as a matter of > practice, I install both KDE and GNOME when I set up my machines. While > I don't use KDE, I do still get and download KDE updates whenever > available. And don't get me started on whether unique IPs is an > accurate count either, although it's probably the best metric we can > come up with. Only trust the statistics you make up yourself. ;-) Yes, it'd be misleading, but it'd be closer to reality than not, and more data than we have currently. I'd be in favor of that + implementing the Popcon feature + being a little more emphatic about collecting Smolt data. The more information we have about installed packages, etc., the better to make decisions. > I think it would be more interesting to know how many have just one DE > versus multiple DE's. Count me in there. I install multiple DE's on most machines as a matter of course. This machine has KDE 4.3 and GNOME and Xfce. My laptop for travel has KDE & GNOME. My netbook has (right now) Moblin. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project
by Roland Haidl 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Hi, this is my first public message to openSUSE project, and that means first I'd like to introduce myself: My name is Roland Haidl aka rhaidl, and I started to work in SUSE nearly ten years ago. In that time I managed the SUSE documentation, usability, design etc. After Novell having bought SUSE I took over several other management task. Now, while Novell/OPS engineering adopted to a new strategy regarding openSUSE, we decided that the people, who Novell dedicated to work in the openSUSE project, come under my responsibility. For me that is awesome and something new - as it is in general. Why, since we already had Novell people working for openSUSE in the past? Well, the new thing that with this step Novell decided to intensify its openSUSE sponsorship. Now we have a group of people that is exclusively dedicated to the openSUSE project. It is not longer the "when time is left, please work in the openSUSE project" thing we often had before, we now have the singular situation to have a team of more than 10 experts in Novell to only work on openSUSE community topics. This is the Novell "openSUSE Team", and it is there to be a part of the community and make it easier for people to join in, enjoy and contribute. We (speaking as part of the Novell management) learned to trust the community, and, as a result of this, want to support the project even more. For proof let's see how the team will work. Of course the team also has reponsibilities, that is basically the openSUSE distribution and the healthy growth of the project. Both challenges will and can only be done in a strong community with YOU and I hope you appreciate the existance of the new team as much as I do. The people working in the team are all well known since they already worked a lot in the community. I leave it up to the team to introduce itself. As the lead of the team we nominated Klaas Freitag, who is an experienced manager on the one hand and a community guy on the other. Henne Vogelsang takes over the role as project manager openSUSE, and Stephan Kulow will continue to be the release manager for the next openSUSE distribution. Best, Roland -- Roland Haidl - Director Operations&Communities OPS - Novell Inc. SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-announce] Change in maintenance for openSUSE 11.2 and future versions
by Wolfgang Rosenauer 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hi, Am 14.08.2009 14:03, schrieb Michael Loeffler: > with regards to the discontinuation mail for openSUSE 10.3 [1] sent out by > Marcus the other day I'd like to clarify the changes in the maintenance period > of openSUSE. > > openSUSE will shorten the maintenance period to 2 versions plus 2 months > which translates with the current release cycle of 8 months to 18 months > instead of 24 months we had with openSUSE 11.1 and previous releases. > > With that we now can guarantee an overlap time from a maintenance perspective > which gives enough time to update machines to newer versions. I'm a bit nit picking now but anyway. "openSUSE(1) will shorten the maintenance period" That should hopefully mean: Novell is stopping its work on openSUSE 11.2 and above after 18 months. The openSUSE community can come up with contributions to expand the lifecycle of the distribution. Novell will fully handover the update process to the community after the 18 months timespan. However the currently official maintenance period is limited to the 18 months guaranteed by Novell. What about this statement? Is that something openSUSE(2) could imagine? (1) openSUSE = Novell (2) openSUSE = the community project Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Disappointed in last Weekly news.
by Dean Hilkewich 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

After looking though the weekly news, I do have to say that I am disappointed that no status, comments, etc have been given on the 'KDE as default' issue. This after all the number one openfate item and the lack of updates from the team is concerning to say the least. There is a clear and decisive trend to the issue from the community but it seems the ones that have final say are hoping if nothing is said that the issue will disappear. Dean -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Use of logo on community created support materials
by Greg Freemyer 17 Aug '09

17 Aug '09

All, (I just subscribed, so I hope this is not a FAQ). Looking at <http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/5/51/OpenSUSE_Trademark_Guidelines.pdf> I don't see addressed a situation were a opensuse community member creates docs like: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/1/17/Zypper-cheat-sheet-1.pdf http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/3/30/Zypper-cheat-sheet-2.pdf which are referenced in: http://en.opensuse.org/Zypper/Usage/11.1 Under Quick Reference Am I missing it? If not, could the guideline have a section added to cover community created docs of this kind. I personally think it is a great doc and would like to see more of the same. fyi: These were created by Juan De Vincenzo <juandevincenzo(a)gmail.com> who is in cc of this msg. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - <http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html> The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [Weekly News] Many Thanks to Translators
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 14 Aug '09

14 Aug '09

Hello Mates, i'm pleased to announce, that our Issue 83 is translated to 6 Languages: * japanese * russian * espanol * indonesian * hungarian * taiwanese. Maybe we find regular Translators for : * portugese * poland * italian * chinese * sweden * france. But all in all we are very joyful to see our translations. -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of project meetings
by Vincent Untz 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hey, I always miss the project meetings because I'm usually busy at that time and forget there's a meeting. Completely my fault :-) However, I'd like to know what was discussed. So having minutes of those meetings would be nice. Can we make this happen somehow? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] iChain Team
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

Hello Mates, which Team are signed for iChain? -- Sincerely yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Ambassador openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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