On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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I wish to avoid cluttering the openSUSE ML's. So I have created this email list to discuss and form this group.

http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensuse-group

We will post back in RFC to the opensuse-project ML.

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I have created an email list for those interested discussing and working together to create a set of guidelines and responsibities. So If you want to join this list you can goto

http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensle

Sorry Boyd, I can't clearly see the reason why you established those independent lists and the group. What are the purposes and benefits you expect ?

I received several complaints that I should take this off list and come back once I have an RFC to present to the group.

IMHO, if you think the topics are of considerable value, you don't need to hesitate to post them to this list and don't need to be afraid of cluttering the list. When people consider the posted topics neither interesting nor important, they would just ignore them.

If you consider the topics that you are going to discuss in those lists worth a lot to whole openSUSE project/community and want to involve as much persons as possible in the discussion, why don't you directly post them to this list ?

I do think they are extremely important. I really do not want to flood the either ML with the ammount of discussion I see involded in these efforts. I am trying to appease the majority of people. I had over 30 email telling me that this would be better done off the reqular openSUSE ML's. That combined with feed back on IRC on the opensuse-server channel. This way we will be able to provide a group consenses in the form of a RFC for more discussion. This lists are in my mind a form of a stearing committee, to shepard the process. Doing this will please the mojority of emails I received and allow a united presentation to the group. -- Boyd Gerber 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 06:48, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

Avoiding of flame wars and off topic discussions.  I have found that when it takes a little more work/effort the trolls seem to not bother to subscribe to an other ML.  Only those truely interested and with a desire to do something tend to subscribe.

It tends to be a filter that works.

Hi Boyd, Flamewars in any project are unavoidable. People have opinions :) Have you logged your requests in OpenFate ? https://features.opensuse.org/ I'm sure it will get some attention there. Karl -- ------------------ Karl Fischer Full time Human www : http://floss.pro jid : kmf@floss.pro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 15:02, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Karl Fischer wrote:

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Flamewars in any project are unavoidable. People have opinions :)

*Discussions* are unavoidable, flamewars are entirely avoidable.

Best,

Zonker

+1 Agreed That's a good answer! -- ------------------ Karl Fischer Full time Human www : http://floss.pro jid : kmf@floss.pro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org