November 2020 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Can one manually become a "Member Emeritus"
by Stefan Seyfried 09 Aug '21

09 Aug '21

Hi all, after reading https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members, I understand that I can cancel my membership status with immediate effect and forever. To become a "Member Emeritus", with a "way back" into the community in case things might turn good again, I have to wait for the status request and just not respond to it. But the last such request was almost 3 years ago. IIUC I need to stop all actions on the mailing lists (might be a good idea ;-)) and packaging (not so good) for the bot to pick me up. So is there a manual procedure to follow to become "Member Emeritus"? Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
by christian.imhorst＠posteo.de 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Hi, Am Do., 21. Feb. 2019 um 15:32 Uhr schrieb Lars Vogdt <Lars.Vogdt(a)suse.com>: As such, maintaining 447 [1] openSUSE members should not depend on a single tool. Especially not if the used tool has open, well known security issues since years[2]. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:41:19 +0100 Richard Brown wrote: > This isn't the first time I've asked this question on a public stage, > but in the hope that this time I get an answer; > Who volunteers to tackle the problem with connect.o.o and drive > forward a solution? I made my proposal already and I stand the point: shut down an insecure system! what does "drive forward a solution" mean? Can we integrate the functions of connect.o.o into other services at openSUSE which are allready maintained like the openSUSE wiki? A form for travel support for example? An application for membership could be done by e-mail to an e-mail address of the membership officials. Elections could be done with an eVote software like https://github.com/mdipierro/evote for example, but probably there are better tools. What did I miss? I think Lars is right an we should shutdown this insecure system as soon as possible. Regards Christian Imhorst -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Proposal: Amending the Board Election rules.
by Simon Lees 16 Dec '20

16 Dec '20

Hi All, Under "by a vote of the membership where 2/3 or more of the openSUSE members participating in the vote approve it. " I would like to propose an amendment to the Board Election rules (Note I rather then the board). I believe that the events in the last year have shown a weakness in at least one part of the rules. With the upcoming regular election I believe this is as good a time as any to address this change. The specific section I would like to modify is the following, I know others have spoken about making changes to some larger sections at some point but I believe this change is small and manageable in the current timeframe so I'd like to keep the discussions in this thread around this topic which is: Forced re-election: If 20 per cent or more of the openSUSE members require a new board, an election will be held for the complete elected Board seats. I believe that this is a very worth while concept, however the current phrasing has left enough ambiguity that in practice it was hard to organise cleanly. My personal view is that the people who authored this text expected that should this ever be needed that some form of basic petition or even just +1's to a mailing list thread would be done. In practice it was decided that this would be too hard to verify and had some privacy concerns and as such the election officials decided to utilize our voting system which was a reasonable way to handle the situation under the current wording. However it now leaves us in a position where one or two people can call for such a vote that will cripple the project for several weeks. I don't believe this was the intent of the original wording as such I am proposing an alternative, this is still in draft form so I am happy to hear other peoples amendments and suggestions. Forced re-election: 10 individual members may contact the election officials requesting a petition of non confidence in the board. If 20 per cent or more openSUSE members require a new board, an election will be held for the complete elected Board seats. The 10 is a number that I felt is reasonable i'd be open to going slightly up and down, its a bit of a balance if 20% of members are interested getting 10 to contact the election officials should be easy. At the same time it should be reasonably easy for election officials to verify 10 members by checking the membership list and sending an email to there registered email address asking for confirmation they sent the original email. There was also some questions around the 20% rather then a 50% majority, My view is to leave this as is, if 20% of people call for a forced election it means there is quite some disagreement in the community, however the current board can run in the election so a different 50% of the community could still reinstate them. My aim is to have a finalized version ready on the 8th of December (A week before voting starts) i'd welcome anyone and everyone's feedback anytime before then. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B

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[opensuse-project] About shaming people on the list
by Neal Gompa 07 Dec '20

07 Dec '20

Hey all, We seem to have a problem on the openSUSE mailing list of shaming people and assuming ill intent. This is exemplified by the following thread excerpt: On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 11:35 PM Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > Vojtěch Zeisek composed on 2020-11-27 10:20 (UTC+0100): > > > Bottom-posting is the standard here. Let's keep it so. > > > A: Yes. > >> Q: Are you sure? > >> > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >> > > Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > > +++ The problem with this is threefold: 1. You are deliberately shaming someone publicly 2. You are piling on the shame by reinforcing it 3. You are assuming that people cannot learn any other way (or ill intent) None of this is actually *helpful*. And I would wager to say that the majority of folks just flat out don't really care if it's top posted or bottom posted. I personally don't. My email client collapses the quotes the same regardless. I realize that to some extent, I'm doing this too by posting this message. But I have been seeing this to various degrees for *years* and it's not only unhelpful, it literally scares people away from our community. And I cannot stomach it anymore. The openSUSE community is intended to be a welcoming place that allows a variety of people from all over the world to work together to make great things. And our Netiquette (which is now linked at the bottom of *every single email from the list*) declares this kind of behavior as undesirable. It does occur to me that a large majority of the people on all openSUSE lists do not know we have rules for the mailing lists. This is why Stasiek and I decided that they would be added to the footer of all emails that travel through the list server. I would like to reiterate that there are much kinder ways of helping people change their behaviors, and that you should always attempt to privately help the person who may be inadvertently doing the wrong thing. Shaming them publicly is a great way to scare people away and even potentially make existing folks leave. Please reconsider the next time you think about doing it. And consider how *you* would feel if someone did it to you. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

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[opensuse-project] 2020 openSUSE Board Election Candidates.
by Ariez Vachha - openSUSE 02 Dec '20

02 Dec '20

Dear openSUSE members, The list of candidates and their respective profiles for the 2020 openSUSE Board Election are: * Axel Braun - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/docb * Maurizio Galli - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/mauriziogalli * Neal Gompa - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/Pharaoh_Atem * Gertjan Lettink - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/Knurpht * Mark Stopka - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/m4r3k * Nathan Wolf - https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/futureboy Members are encouraged to refer to the candidates profiles at the links above. Candidates, we wish you all good luck! Please remember to updated your details and pictures on your profiles, wikis etc., for the benefit of the members. The election committee will use your profile pictures in the official election poster and materials. Please refer to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election for details. -- Regards, The Election Committee: election-officials(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Foundation status + creating the transition team
by Syds Bearda 01 Dec '20

01 Dec '20

Hi all, I've been reading up on the Foundation proposal and i wonder what is the current status? I see a few outstanding issues since August 2020: 1) Discussions with SUSE regarding trademarking; 2) Decision on the legal format of the Foundation; 3) Board is waiting on people to come forward to help in the transition and analysis of legal + financial challenges. 1) Trademarking - Are these talks ongoing at the moment? (also who are having these talks?); - Has a lawyer looked at it already?; - Also what about paying an annual license to SUSE for the use of the openSUSE trademark while naming the Foundation "Geeko Foundation"? As why does the foundation need to be named after the distro's it's supporting? Why not keep it more general? I mean we have loads of different flavours of openSUSE with Leap, Tumblewed, Kubic, MicroOS, etc. Maybe in the future even other distro's will come our way that doe not bear the name openSUSE <xxx>.. 2) Legal Format - I see 3 options; Foundation or e.V. if going with German Law, or a different countries type of foundation (maybe a different EU country..); - Has a Lawyer already drawn up the required documents? 3) Transition team - have some people stepped forward?; - is there already a working group who is having regular meetings with minutes and action-points? Also i would like to step forward to help in the transition team on the financial side. I'm a financial controller with a MSc in Accountancy and I've worked in international environments and with not-for-profit organisations in the past (including helping in setting up a German gGmbH). On a last note I'd like to point out that I'm in favor of having a separate foundation for the project, where the financial and legal side of the project resides. Mainly for donations, sponsorships and the ability to make decisions in the best interest of the community without feeling that we need to listen to one particular group extra. Which does not mean that the two groups can't be mutually beneficent for each other. BR, Syds

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Board Election 2020 - Close of nomination applications
by Ariez Vachha - openSUSE 30 Nov '20

30 Nov '20

Dear openSUSE members, We have reached the end of the Phase 0, the nomination phase of the 2020 openSUSE Board Election. *Nominations are now closed.* Today we start Phase 1, the campaign phase. A list of candidates will be posted here shortly. Please refer to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election for details. -- Regards, The Election Committee: election-officials(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Who's running for board?
by Felix Miata 29 Nov '20

29 Nov '20

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election Based upon title it seems it should have at least a pointer to whose intent to run has been accepted by the committee, but if it's there, it's well disguised. What do we have so far, 8 people running for 3 positions? 10? I lost count of mailing list intent announcements. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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[opensuse-project] Please close my membership
by James Mason 28 Nov '20

28 Nov '20

Hello, It is with despair that I ask that you cancel my membership in openSUSE. The constant bickering on the mailing lists is by far outweighing any constructive growth/change in the project, and in light of everything else going on in the world, I just don't have the headspace for all that negative, unproductive noise. I'm cc'ing the project overall; please let this serve as a lesson that if one thinks they can bicker their way to the end result they want, they may find they arrive there alone. James Mason Technical Architect, Public Cloud SUSE

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