August 2015 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] How we will use the GSoC money
by Vincent Untz 18 Jul '24

18 Jul '24

Hi, (let's see how a public discussion about money goes :-)) The Google Summer of Code brings us great students, but also means that the openSUSE project will get $8000 (if I'm not mistaken) at the end of the summer. That's $500 per student. A while ago, I requested comments on my blog about what to do with the money, but didn't get any feedback. So I take this as "do what you feel is best", and this mail is about the plan. As a reminder, the main issue is that we will likely not have the openSUSE Foundation created in time for this. For instance, Google would like us to get some form filled before the end of June; this is not a mandatory timeline, but I think it shows that we won't be ready with the Foundation for that. The current plan is to give that money to another organization we feel close to, and I have two candidates in mind: - the Software Freedom Conservancy (http://sfconservancy.org/) it's a really nice org that provides a home for various cool projects (see http://sfconservancy.org/members/current/) and those projects help make openSUSE a great project. - the Desktop Summit (https://www.desktopsummit.org/) it's one of the biggest event this year, and this would help us have some more visibility (since we'd be sponsors, I guess). I'm sure they would welcome this to secure their budget. Note that an alternative solution would be to leave the money to Google for a future GSoC or similar program, but I feel it's better to use the money where it can make a difference today. Now, it's not too late to change the plan. If you have a better suggestion, please tell us. There's no need to argue forever about it, just explain why you think it's good. Keep in mind that if we cannot receive the money ourselves, this also means that we cannot use it to buy stuff for openSUSE. Pavol and I will take the final decision since we are the GSoC admins for openSUSE. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why market opensuse as two different releases?
by pc 29 Aug '15

29 Aug '15

I think maintaining two different opensuse versions is a big mistake, I dont understand it and I think most users wont understand it. Shouldnt it be enough for those normal users to simply add some other repos and then press zypper dup? If that is the case, it should be "one enterprise release" + an option during installation that you can check if you want the latest and greatest from tumbleweed. It would be much less confusing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why market opensuse as two different releases?
by Traktor Toni 29 Aug '15

29 Aug '15

t it be enough for those normal users to simply add some other repos and then press zypper dup? If that is the case, it should be "one enterprise release" + an option during installation that you can check if you want the latest and greatest from tumbleweed. It would be much less confusing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Video about Tumbleweed and Leap integration process
by Douglas DeMaio 28 Aug '15

28 Aug '15

Hi all, Last week Dominique Leuenberger gave a really good presentation about the Tumbleweed and Leap integration process and briefly described the interconnecting points of the openSUSE project. If you are interested, please read the article and watch the video at http://bit.ly/1fK42Z5. Share the video at http://bit.ly/1JnCYHu Have a lot of fun. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] LFNW 2015 activity summary
by James Mason 27 Aug '15

27 Aug '15

Sorry for the lateness - I just found this in my "Drafts" folder. I blame the corporate email system ;-) LFNW 2015 was April 25th & 26th, in Bellingham, WA. openSUSE sponsored LFNW again this year; thanks to the board for making this happen. As usual, we "had a lot of fun!" As a sponsor, we were entitled to a 100 sq.ft. booth space, which was setup in the 'openSUSE Lounge' design once again this year. The lounge design provides a calm place for people to sit down and relax for a few minutes in an otherwise crazy conference floor space. Our volunteers can sit back and spend time chatting with users, or other enthusiasts with questions, or go to the 'workbench' in the back to sit down with a laptop and solve real problems. The Booth Box supplied us with an abundance of media, both DVDs and thumb drives, as well as swag that was very popular with passers-by. We make a point of bundling the DVDs inside the "What's Cool" brochure, so guests of the show don't just walk away with install media, but at least a general idea of the community and tools that make openSUSE unique. Morning meeting at the openSUSE Lounge: https://plus.google.com/events/gallery/c4aqcfn8o62uvkgvqodbvlu07oc?pid= 6142240621319176434&oid=109797684537320994845 LFNW 2015 had record attendance again this year, with about 1850 registered attendees, and an uncounted number of unregistered attendees (it is a completely free and open event, so registration is optional). In the conference hall we felt this on Saturday, with big loud crowds. With a crowd of that scale, its hard to make good connections from handing out some of the items in the booth box, so we worked with LFNW organizers to use our materials as effectively as possible. The majority of the openSUSE thumb drives went toward the event's "world famous" raffle, where the announcer mentioned, with nearly every giveaway, "and an openSUSE thumb drive". It was great to hear him say "openSUSE" fifty times over the course of the hour :-) The openSUSE coasters were allocated to the event's Saturday night party, and were preliminarily placed at tables and booths, and handed out with beers until they were gone. I was informed by a few attendees on Sunday that they pocketed the coasters instead of using them for their beers as intended. Saturday's crowd: https://plus.google.com/events/gallery/c4aqcfn8o62uvkgvqodbvlu07oc?pid= 6142258520193779986&oid=101366257805402002854 -- James Mason Technical Architect, Public Cloud openSUSE Member SUSE jmason(a)suse.com ------------------------------------- SUSECon 2015: Register at susecon.com

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[opensuse-project] Question About Bandwidth
by Andres Betts 27 Aug '15

27 Aug '15

Hey friends, My work is currently looking at providing mirrors to some distributions, openSUSE being one of them, but they asked me about how much bandwidth on average is spent when people use your mirrors. I wanted to ask our group if anyone knows those numbers. For example, main repository versus a list of repositories in the USA. If anyone knows, please let me know :) -- Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] My comments regarding the landing page
by Manu Gupta 27 Aug '15

27 Aug '15

Hi First of all, the design of the landing page is awesome!!!! Kudos to everyone who worked on it. However, I have issues with how the content was placed. I have always believed that the openSUSE Project is different from the openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro rather than a community. Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all with the issues we are already facing or not talking about. I hope the people who are working on it give thought about it. -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] membership policy
by jdd 26 Aug '15

26 Aug '15

Hello, I'm in the way of trying to makes more live the membership process. This mail should have been sent to the "membership_official" list only, but most of his members are probably also on -projet, and this number is not now large enough to have a normal functioning. normally, we should accept or decline a submission if it reach *4* votes in the good direction. Problem is some submissions are pretty old and I think very bad to have people waiting an answer. two kind of people do not give any problem: * ones having no contribution at all and not listing any or asking to make contributions in the future. I think these submission should be declined by the first member of the team that sees them, with a kind message (anyway all the submission results a e-mailed on the m_o list, so anybody knows) * some peoples have a large contribution (like people making the OSC-15 happen) and could be accepted may be with only two positive advices. Should be on this category people who's contribution is confirmed by one of the team, even if it's not too much visible on the net (I think for example Nicolas that held the openSUSE booth during a hole week at RMLL!!) for the people having some plus and some minus, the m_o list is there for discussion. What do you think? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] contact mhrusecky
by jdd 21 Aug '15

21 Aug '15

Hello, I'm said than mhrusecky is the connect admin, but He do not seems to be connected to the ticket system and all the tests at mhrusecky@suse (com, de, cz) come back with unknown are you here? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Leap 42.1 - consistent naming
by Jay 19 Aug '15

19 Aug '15

Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently. Otherwise me might end up with two competing names (= confusion). The project-page should be updated accordingly, too. BTW: - Is it "official" now that Leap 42.1 uses the 4.1-LTS-kernel? I've read that somewhere. - And has a decision been made already with respect to support-time: 3 or x years? Greetings! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] roadmap wiki confusing
by Felix Miata 17 Aug '15

17 Aug '15

https://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Roadmap&diff=71792&oldid=6… I'm unable to understand how to interpret the diff here, which seems to say the subject language appeared due to edit by lnussel sometime (mysteriously) between October last year and today, to wit: [quote] Important Release Deadlines Check-in Deadline for packages is Friday afternoon (UTC) before the Milestone. Deadline for all other packages is Monday afternoon before the Milestone. [/quote] What's the difference between "packages" (Friday afternoon deadline) and other packages (Monday afternoon deadline)? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] https://identi.ca/opensuse
by PatrickD Garvey 15 Aug '15

15 Aug '15

What is the status of https://identi.ca/opensuse? It doesn't look very active, "2 years ago via feed To: Public Within two weeks, in thessaloniki, the openSUSE Conference will start off again. Like last year, we have not only an a…" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] The weekly review: LibreOffice 5 in Tumbleweed, Leap trends, landing page almost ready
by PatrickD Garvey 15 Aug '15

15 Aug '15

>From https://news.opensuse.org/2015/08/13/the-weekly-review-libreoffice-5-in-tum… "Tumbleweed had four snapshots since our last weekly review, upgraded to a newer Kernel and has the latest LibreOffice 5, while Leap’s roadmap was published and version 42 is a trending topic on the Factory mailing list." I have read nothing in opensuse-announce about a new kernel and a new LibreOffice being a part of Tumbleweed. I assume the schedule published in https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap is for Leap, although that page says, "The next scheduled version of openSUSE is in the process of being named, ...". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] My comments regarding the landing page
by Javier Llorente 08 Aug '15

08 Aug '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/08/15 12:56, Carlos E. R. wrote: [...] > The naming of the language as "castellano" is a relatively recent > political decision (pushed by Catalunya and others) that has never > caught with the masses, valid only for Spain, and is of course not > followed by the rest of the Spanish speaking countries. It is akin > to calling French Provençal. > > So, does openSUSE wants to enter a political nightmare by calling > Spanish Castilian? Why would it be a political nightmare? As you know, there are different Spanish variants. Some Latin-American countries use "castellano" or "español" indifferently. Furthermore, Spain's constitution states that castellano is the official language. Castilian is the most spoken Spanish language ;-) Greetings, - -- Javier Llorente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlXDlboACgkQdV3zWWOPFxTaKQCbB7WD766k2iplo/QFD/fLvx+3 jaQAnA5/QFmSzW30kKITssCbWxicWg9M =oqhb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Leap Freeze Point
by Douglas DeMaio 05 Aug '15

05 Aug '15

Hi all, this story was published today - https://news.opensuse.org/2015/08/05/the-weekly-review-tumbleweed-and-leap/… A few takeaway items you might all be interested in regarding Leap. 61 upgraded packages were in the last snapshot and about a handful were fixes made for Leap. The roadmap for Leap will likely be published next week. It looks like the release of Leap will be on Nov. 4 at 14:00 UTC, but some other things need to happen before we confirm Nov. 4 officially as the release date. An important date that can be mentioned about Leap right now is Sept. 20. This is the tentatively the freeze point for items to be included in the Leap Beta. Artwork for Leap like Grub, Plymouth or other items can be submitted through github by cloning the Leap-42.1 branch in openSUSE branding and submit a pull request to @sysrich. A branch was also started for Tumbleweed, so anyone wanting to advance the visual appearance of both openSUSE distributions is welcome (links in the article). All the best Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Windows 10: A window of opportunity
by Jay 04 Aug '15

04 Aug '15

As Windows 10 is being launched, details emerge what comes along with it. Just read (1). You will have an opinion on that. But as nightmarish as this may seem, it also opens a huge "Window" of opportunity for openSUSE and OpenSource in general. What came to my mind here is a campaign to make potential users aware of major benefits of openSUSE / OpenSource: - we don't spy on you - we don't sell your privacy - we don't handcuff you Take that as a short sketch. This could be a campaign just for openSUSE - like a banner on openSUSE.org - or one that is conducted by and coordinated between the major distros and perhaps other organizations. Thoughts? Rainer Fiebig (1) https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Privacy lost to data mining?
by greg.freemyer＠gmail.com 03 Aug '15

03 Aug '15

I don't know as much about this as I should, but these seem to be the basics: - late 20th century google started data mining websites in a novel way. Everyone thought it was a good thing. - around 2005 Google introduced gmail for free, but openly told everyone they were going to data mine the emails to see what kind of things the owner of the mailbox was interested in. - since then Google has gotten more and more aggressive and now appears to mine gmail mailboxes to build a profile about non-gmail users as well. It also is scanning blogs, blog comments, LinkedIn and Twitter. Basically anything they can actually see they data mine. Along those lines they offer Google analytics as a free service that gives them great visibility into people's web browsing activity even if they somehow manage to avoid using any Google services themselves and also avoid interaction with anyone with a gmail account. - as of yesterday(Aug 1), Microsoft has officially joined the game: Microsoft Privacy Statement https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx Microsoft Services Agreement https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/servicesagreement/default.aspx These new policies grant Microsoft broad data mining rights into your computer. Simply using any of the below services means you accept the new agreement: Account.microsoft.com Advertising.microsoft.com Bing Apps Bing Desktop Bing Dictionary Bing in the Classroom Bing Input Bing Maps Bing Navigation Bing Reader Bing Rewards Bing Search app Bing Toolbar Bing Torque Bing Translator Bing Webmaster Bing Wikipedia Browser Bing.com Bing Bingplaces.com Choice.microsoft.com Citizen Next Cortana Default Homepage and New Tab Page on Microsoft Edge Device Health App Groove HealthVault Maps App Microsoft account Microsoft Family Microsoft Health Microsoft Translator Microsoft Wallpaper Microsoft XiaoIce MSN Dial Up MSN Explorer MSN Food & Drink MSN Health & Fitness MSN Money MSN News MSN Premium MSN Sports MSN Travel MSN Weather MSN.com Next Lock Screen Office 365 Consumer Office 365 Home Office 365 Personal Office 365 University Office Online Office Store Office Sway Office.com OneDrive.com OneDrive Onenote.com OneNote Outlook.com Picturesque Lock Screen Pix Lock Skype in the Classroom Skype Manager Skype Qik Skype WiFi Skype.com Skype Smart Search Snipp3t Spreadsheet Keyboard Sway.com Translator UrWeather Windows Live Mail Windows Live Writer Windows Movie Maker Windows Photo Gallery Xbox and Windows Games published by Microsoft Xbox Live Xbox Music Pass Xbox Music Xbox Video >From what I can see Microsoft's new invasion of privacy is basically retroactive. The only way to avoid it is to quit using any of the above if you currently do. I often use bing, skype, Microsoft store and office365. === Hopefully using openSUSE reduces some of Microsoft's and Google's effectiveness, but all of us interact with users of Google and Microsoft services. What steps can openSUSE as a project and as individuals do to reduce our Google and Microsoft visible footprint? Is it too late to try? Greg -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Windows 10: A window of opportunity
by jdd 02 Aug '15

02 Aug '15

Le 02/08/2015 19:29, Richard Brown a écrit : > You are entitled to your opinion, but there is plenty of research from > respected experts on the topic who all state that motivations for > joining open source projects are normally not altruistic, and are > normally due to selfish reasons, like being able to scratch their own itch I think we have a vocabulary problem. searching for as much audience as possible have nothing to do with altruism. There is a manageable benefit that is described in your link: recognition and ego (and more) > The year is 2015. Open source has established itself as A major, if not > THE major way of developing software. sincerely, who cares? You are too much thinking as a developer. I really think that all yours arguments are *against* your thesis. We do *not* need to search for developers, we have them. Every developer knows what open source is, and if you can't give money, you wont catch windows developers. If you don't want a distro's war, you can't bring other distros developers, so where do you think you are going to find one? be clear on that. We need to have a clear story to > distinguish us from the millions of other open source projects people can > now contribute to. "We're special because we're openSUSE and we have > users who make us special" just doesn't mean anything any more..I'm not > sure it ever did.. I never said so, and I completely agree with this. we have to ask the question: what do we have special? how can we make it better? We (don't know who, really), with OBS, QA, studio, made an enormous effort to the developers and this didn't bring more contributors according to what yourself said. > Agreed. How about we agree to call this "Engagement" like the GNOME > Project does instead of Marketing yes. May be look at what "volunteer match" do :-) http://www.volunteermatch.org/ > Next, I do not believe working as part of a team appeals to everyone I do not take "team" as the very restricted meaning we have now. For me openSUSE project *is* a team. What else? , > and i think the Project should be structured in a way which encourages > both individual contributions (working collaboratively, but not > necessarily as part of a team) as well as more structured group work individuals already do what they want, if this is for openSUSE, so good, if not so bad, we can't do anything to that, so the only thing we can do is try to find some way to have people do what *we*, as a project, do. 64 people answered to my poll https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/jdd_sysop/48150/are-you-still-an… why did they? > We should accept that there are very real, very tangible, and often very > selfish reasons people contribute to open source, and we should do our > best to Engage with them so openSUSE becomes a natural focal point for > those contributions which can help us grow and succeed I don't see any apart hiring them for a salary... can you do that. I know few people do things for altruist reasons, but read your own links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_movement#Motivations_of_Programme… (I read "the cathedral and the bazaar in the 1995's) > Good, and I hope you find reasons to think it's special beyond empty > words. I know they sounds nice, but its really important openSUSE has > real reasons upon which people are drawn to, use our stuff, and engage > with our project. > and what reason do you find over what is listed in wikipedia? what mean for you "targeting makers", you say this for several month and what is it about? I don't think it's the major goal, but it's a goal, of course. thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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