3 Aug
2015
3 Aug
'15
4:23 a.m.
Hi
First of all, the design of the landing page is awesome!!!! Kudos to
everyone who worked on it. However, I have issues with how the content
was placed.
I have always believed that the openSUSE Project is different from the
openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring
the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools
describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro
rather than a community.
Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing or not talking about.
I hope the people who are working on it give thought about it.
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4 Aug
4 Aug
12:03 p.m.
Hey,
finally some real discussion about this :-)
On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
First of all, the design of the landing page is
awesome!!!! Kudos to
everyone who worked on it.
I can only concur. I like how it turned out visually! :-)
I have always believed that the openSUSE Project is
different from the
openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring
the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools
describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro
rather than a community.
It's a matter of what you are trying to sell, and to whom.
You can create a landing page that tells people who visit it the whole
truth and nothing but the truth about openSUSE. A story about all the
different aspects of our community, all the nitty gritty details.
Or you can try to think about why people most likely come to this page
and then try to satisfy this "need". And maybe, in the course of doing
that, draw them in further to things that matter to us.
A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
for information about our distribution. All of the data (Referrer,
Keywords, Exit pages) that is available to us through our tracking
(piwik) supports this. So www.opensuse.org should try _very hard_ to
'sell' our distribution. Selling in this case means of course that
people _WANT_ to download the iso to install it. The rest (project,
community, tools, news etc.) is not really important to the visitor,
only to us.
Sadly neither the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
The page in it's current form is pretty obscure what openSUSE is about
(packages? distribution? tools?) and the _main_ action (download the
iso!) is hidden behind a choice I can't possibly make as openSUSE
beginner. Not even I myself am sure, with 15+ years contributing to
openSUSE under my belt, if I should use Tumbleweed or Leap!
Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for
non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
I hope the people who are working on it give thought
about it.
I'm not even sure that they read this list...
Henne
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On 2015-08-04 12:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
When I tried it, it used a lot of CPU. It is beautiful, but that also
probably means that it is not accessible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_accessibility
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First of all,
the design of the landing page is awesome!!!! Kudos
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10:56 p.m.
First, a link to the page under discussion:
http://cyntss.github.io/opensuse-landing-page/
Now, back to a proper bottom post.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
finally some real discussion about this :-)
On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
It was good to open with a simple design, but not good to hide the
fullest descriptions of Tumbleweed and Leap behind a hidden button
that only appears with an interaction. It's like we expect the first
time visitor to enjoy looking for treasures. Display the treasures in
all their glory! The descriptions are good, feature them and then name
what to download when the visitor has decided what they want.
As has been said many times, Code and Hardware are not the only way to
contribute to openSUSE.
And, as Carlos noted, it needs to follow the accessibility guidelines.
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First of all, the design of the landing page is
awesome!!!! Kudos to
everyone who worked on it.
I can only concur. I like how it turned out visually! :-)
I have always believed that the openSUSE Project
is different from the
openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring
the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools
describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro
rather than a community.
It's a matter of what you are trying to sell, and to whom.
You can create a landing page that tells people who visit it the whole
truth and nothing but the truth about openSUSE. A story about all the
different aspects of our community, all the nitty gritty details.
Or you can try to think about why people most likely come to this page
and then try to satisfy this "need". And maybe, in the course of doing
that, draw them in further to things that matter to us.
A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
for information about our distribution. All of the data (Referrer,
Keywords, Exit pages) that is available to us through our tracking
(piwik) supports this. So www.opensuse.org should try _very hard_ to
'sell' our distribution. Selling in this case means of course that
people _WANT_ to download the iso to install it. The rest (project,
community, tools, news etc.) is not really important to the visitor,
only to us.
Sadly neither the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
The page in it's current form is pretty obscure what openSUSE is about
(packages? distribution? tools?) and the _main_ action (download the
iso!) is hidden behind a choice I can't possibly make as openSUSE
beginner. Not even I myself am sure, with 15+ years contributing to
openSUSE under my belt, if I should use Tumbleweed or Leap!
Second, the contributions corner. It is
uninviting for non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
I hope the people who are working on it give
thought about it.
I'm not even sure that they read this list...
Henne
11:34 p.m.
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On 2015-08-04 22:56, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
First, a link to the page under discussion:
http://cyntss.github.io/opensuse-landing-page/
I found a new issue: In languages, instead of "Español" (Spanish), it
says "Castellano" (Castilian). This is non standard.
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5 Aug
9:47 a.m.
Am Dienstag, 4. August 2015, 23:34:15 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2015-08-04 22:56, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Without being able to point at anything specific, the german version kind of
feels as if it had been done by someone who's native language is not german.
That being said, the german translation of the "teaser text" for leap sounds
really bad, it sounds as if openSUSE had been terminated and Leap was based on
the last opensuse that ever existed.
About the usability: the language selection dropdown should be at the top of
the page, not at the bottom; someone landing at that page and not
understanding a word is not going to scroll all the way down just to see if
there was a language selection thingie somewhere.
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First, a link to the page under discussion:
http://cyntss.github.io/opensuse-landing-page/
8 Aug
8 Aug
9:02 a.m.
Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 4. August 2015, 23:34:15 schrieb Carlos
E. R.:
I agree, language wise that page leaves a lot to be desired, but that is
probably not a priority atm.
On 2015-08-04 22:56, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Without being able to point at anything specific, the german version
kind of feels as if it had been done by someone who's native language
is not german. First, a link to the page under discussion:
http://cyntss.github.io/opensuse-landing-page/
About the usability: the language selection dropdown
should be at the
top of the page, not at the bottom;
+1
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On 2015-08-08 09:02, Per Jessen wrote:
Yes, I said that the first time I saw it.
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Carlos E. R.
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About the
usability: the language selection dropdown should be at
the top of the page, not at the bottom;
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22 Aug
12:05 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: My comments regarding the landing page
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, I said that the first time I saw it.
Shouldn’t the page instead just use the standard language negotiation
feature of the browser/HTTP to show the page in the user’s preferred
language automatically?
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About the usability: the language selection dropdown
should be at
the top of the page, not at the bottom;
+1
24 Aug
24 Aug
11:39 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: My comments regarding the landing page
Am 22.08.2015 um 12:05 schrieb Karl Ove Hufthammer:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Yes, I said that the first time
I saw it. Shouldn’t the page instead just use the standard language negotiation
feature of the browser/HTTP to show the page in the user’s preferred
language automatically?
Yes and no. what it *should* do is this:
- on first visit: check the browsers accept languages settings to
determine the preferred language, and use that as the default
- present the language dropdown at the *TOP* of the page
- whatever the user chooses gets stored in a cookie.
- on further visits: check the cookie first. if it exists, use its
value, otherwise (see above).
Cheers
MH
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About the usability: the language selection dropdown
should be at
the top of the page, not at the bottom;
+1
27 Aug
27 Aug
9:42 a.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: My comments regarding the landing page
Mathias Homann wrote:
Am 22.08.2015 um 12:05 schrieb Karl Ove Hufthammer:
Agree, that is the correct approach to selecting a language.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
Shouldn’t the page instead
just use the standard language negotiation
feature of the browser/HTTP to show the page in the user’s preferred
language automatically?
Yes and no. what it *should* do is this:
- on first visit: check the browsers accept languages settings to
determine the preferred language, and use that as the default
- present the language dropdown at the *TOP* of the page
- whatever the user chooses gets stored in a cookie.
- on further visits: check the cookie first. if it exists, use its
value, otherwise (see above). > About
the usability: the language selection dropdown should be at
> the top of the page, not at the bottom;
+1
Yes, I said that the first time I saw it. 
5 Aug
5 Aug
10:18 a.m.
Le 04/08/2015 23:34, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
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On 2015-08-04 22:56, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Catalunya trick ? :-)
jdd
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First, a link to the page under discussion:
http://cyntss.github.io/opensuse-landing-page/
I found a new issue: In languages, instead of "Español" (Spanish), it
says "Castellano" (Castilian). This is non standard.
12:56 p.m.
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On 2015-08-05 10:18, jdd wrote:
I hope not.
The naming of the language as "castellano" is a relatively recent
political decision (pushed by Catalunya and others) that has never
caught with the masses, valid only for Spain, and is of course not
followed by the rest of the Spanish speaking countries. It is akin to
calling French Provençal.
So, does openSUSE wants to enter a political nightmare by calling
Spanish Castilian?
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Le 04/08/2015 23:34, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I found a new
issue: In languages, instead of "Español"
(Spanish), it says "Castellano" (Castilian). This is non
standard.
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Hi
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
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On 2015-08-05 10:18, jdd wrote:
I hope not.
The naming of the language as "castellano" is a relatively recent
political decision (pushed by Catalunya and others) that has never
caught with the masses, valid only for Spain, and is of course not
followed by the rest of the Spanish speaking countries. It is akin to
calling French Provençal.
So, does openSUSE wants to enter a political nightmare by calling
Spanish Castilian?
I think this has been fixed now. If not, raise a bug at
https://github.com/cyntss/opensuse-landing-page/issues
Le 04/08/2015 23:34, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
I found a
new issue: In languages, instead of "Español"
(Spanish), it says "Castellano" (Castilian). This is non
standard.
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Hey Henne,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors? By
showing that we are well telling we don't need any non-technical
contributions which is disrespectful of the people who worked as
ambassadors, artwork contributors, organized conferences, wrote news
articles, edited wiki pages, helped on documentation, translation to
name a few. That being said, I also believe that if we keep on
treading this path, more non-technical contributors will leave.
If you click on code and read the description, it asks for technical
as well as non-technical contribution. How about this -
Contribute, by lending a hand and then when you click the description pops up.
Instead of hardware, in Kind -> and then when you click, ask people to
donate hardware.
3rd Machinery, Why it even there? Is this an openSUSE Project and
deserves to be on the landing page?
A quick Google shows
https://github.com/SUSE/machinery
It shows that it is a SUSE Project. Are we not trying to differentiate
between SUSE and openSUSE. This is so much against what we are trying
to work for.
Fourth, Conferences? Really. Is openSUSE only about conferences.
Conferences are yearly events. Now, it is good to show events on the
landing page. But, is it more important than directing people towards
our own infrastructure like the wiki, forums, irc, build service etc?
That is a question we need to ask.
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Hey,
finally some real discussion about this :-)
On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
Very well said.
First of all, the design of the landing page is
awesome!!!! Kudos to
everyone who worked on it.
I can only concur. I like how it turned out visually! :-)
I have always believed that the openSUSE Project
is different from the
openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring
the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools
describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro
rather than a community.
It's a matter of what you are trying to sell, and to whom.
You can create a landing page that tells people who
visit it the whole
truth and nothing but the truth about openSUSE. A story about all the
different aspects of our community, all the nitty gritty details.
Or you can try to think about why people most likely come to this page
and then try to satisfy this "need". And maybe, in the course of doing
that, draw them in further to things that matter to us.
A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
for information about our distribution. All of the data (Referrer,
Keywords, Exit pages) that is available to us through our tracking
(piwik) supports this. So www.opensuse.org should try _very hard_ to
'sell' our distribution. Selling in this case means of course that
people _WANT_ to download the iso to install it. The rest (project,
community, tools, news etc.) is not really important to the visitor,
only to us.
Sadly neither the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
The page in it's current form is pretty obscure what openSUSE is about
(packages? distribution? tools?) and the _main_ action (download the
iso!) is hidden behind a choice I can't possibly make as openSUSE
beginner. Not even I myself am sure, with 15+ years contributing to
openSUSE under my belt, if I should use Tumbleweed or Leap!
Agreed. Right now we are orienting the users towards different distributions.
So, the web page tells that Tumbleweed is a fast rolling distribution
and Leap is openSUSE's latest regular release version. If you read
again and again, we actually do not make them exclusive for users.
A better way should be to play to user's preferences.
-->Do you prefer speed or Are you a developer? Use Tumbleweed
--> Do you want a stable system that just works? Use Leap
--> Do you want LTS? Use Evergreen
On that, Evergreen is nowhere to be found. A lot of sysadmins will use
it and use it. Evergreen deserves its corner on the landing page if we
are talking about sysadmins and target audience. As far as I know,
sometimes the latest in not the best and this is where we have
opportunity to differentiate.
Second, the
contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
I hope the
people who are working on it give thought about it.
I'm not even sure that they read this list...
Henne
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6 Aug
1:34 a.m.
On 08/05/2015 04:24 PM, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hey Henne,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors? By
showing that we are well telling we don't need any non-technical
contributions which is disrespectful of the people who worked as
ambassadors, artwork contributors, organized conferences, wrote news
articles, edited wiki pages, helped on documentation, translation to
name a few. That being said, I also believe that if we keep on
treading this path, more non-technical contributors will leave.
If you click on code and read the description, it asks for technical
as well as non-technical contribution. How about this -
Contribute, by lending a hand and then when you click the description pops up.
Instead of hardware, in Kind -> and then when you click, ask people to
donate hardware.
3rd Machinery, Why it even there? Is this an openSUSE Project and
deserves to be on the landing page?
A quick Google shows
https://github.com/SUSE/machinery
It shows that it is a SUSE Project. Are we not trying to differentiate
between SUSE and openSUSE. This is so much against what we are trying
to work for.
Fourth, Conferences? Really. Is openSUSE only about conferences.
Conferences are yearly events. Now, it is good to show events on the
landing page. But, is it more important than directing people towards
our own infrastructure like the wiki, forums, irc, build service etc?
That is a question we need to ask.
Let's not forget Hardware.
I thought it was a new link to hardware that has was tested
to run openSUSE. Similar to the section what SuSE has available.
Unfortunately, as much as I ask people on the forums to post their
new hardware to the openSUSE Hardware section.
It is in serious need of updating.
We need a new way of getting users motivated in participating on
adding their laptops, PCs, mobos etc.. to this section.
There are a lot of entries where the latest distro is version 10x and 11x.
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Hey,
finally some real discussion about this :-)
On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
Very well said.
First of all, the design of the landing page is
awesome!!!! Kudos to
everyone who worked on it.
I can only concur. I like how it turned out visually! :-)
I have always believed that the openSUSE Project
is different from the
openSUSE Distro. By calling openSUSE as a Linux OS, we are ignoring
the fact that the we are not just a distro. One may argue that Tools
describe other projects but then we come off more strongly as a distro
rather than a community.
It's a matter of what you are trying to sell, and to whom.
You can create a landing page that tells people
who visit it the whole
truth and nothing but the truth about openSUSE. A story about all the
different aspects of our community, all the nitty gritty details.
Or you can try to think about why people most likely come to this page
and then try to satisfy this "need". And maybe, in the course of doing
that, draw them in further to things that matter to us.
A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
for information about our distribution. All of the data (Referrer,
Keywords, Exit pages) that is available to us through our tracking
(piwik) supports this. So www.opensuse.org should try _very hard_ to
'sell' our distribution. Selling in this case means of course that
people _WANT_ to download the iso to install it. The rest (project,
community, tools, news etc.) is not really important to the visitor,
only to us.
Sadly neither the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
The page in it's current form is pretty obscure what openSUSE is about
(packages? distribution? tools?) and the _main_ action (download the
iso!) is hidden behind a choice I can't possibly make as openSUSE
beginner. Not even I myself am sure, with 15+ years contributing to
openSUSE under my belt, if I should use Tumbleweed or Leap!
Agreed. Right now we are orienting the users towards different distributions.
So, the web page tells that Tumbleweed is a fast rolling distribution
and Leap is openSUSE's latest regular release version. If you read
again and again, we actually do not make them exclusive for users.
A better way should be to play to user's preferences.
-->Do you prefer speed or Are you a developer? Use Tumbleweed
--> Do you want a stable system that just works? Use Leap
--> Do you want LTS? Use Evergreen
On that, Evergreen is nowhere to be found. A lot of sysadmins will use
it and use it. Evergreen deserves its corner on the landing page if we
are talking about sysadmins and target audience. As far as I know,
sometimes the latest in not the best and this is where we have
opportunity to differentiate.
Second,
the contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
I hope
the people who are working on it give thought about it.
I'm not even sure that they read this list...
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On 2015-08-06 01:34, Roman Bysh wrote:
There are a lot of entries where the latest distro is
version 10x
and 11x.
Well, if a machine works with 10x, it will (normally) continue working
with later versions :-)
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On 08/05/2015 07:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Too a point :-)
I wouldn't make a recommendation like that on the forums.
Especially with the latest hardware including the latest graphics cards,
wifi, touchpads, UEFI and so on...
Not to mention the questions on why we only have 10+ year old
hardware and software as support listed while SuSE provides newly
supported hardware?
Why does openSUSE only have older hardware listed on it's hardware wiki?
When can we see it updated? And so on.
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There are a lot of entries where the latest
distro is version 10x
and 11x.
Well, if a machine works with 10x, it will (normally) continue working
with later versions :-)
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On 2015-08-06 03:25, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 08/05/2015 07:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: On
2015-08-06 01:34,
Roman Bysh wrote:
Too a point :-)
I wouldn't make a recommendation like that on the forums.
Especially with the latest hardware including the latest graphics
cards, wifi, touchpads, UEFI and so on...
Eumm... you are getting it wrong.
If some one logs an entry that the machine he buys on 2007 runs 10.1
perfectly, it is very probable that the same machine will continue
working correctly with later openSUSE releases.
Nowhere can it be inferred that it is the latest hardware. It is 2007
vintage hardware, today.
That is the meaning of what I wrote.
There is no need for people to update the old entries they wrote about
their hardware working with whatever old release. What there is need
is that when they try any new hardware, they add entries for that
hardware.
Hopefully, it will be some years till I create an entry in there.
Unless I get into big money!
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>> There are a lot of entries where the
latest distro is version
>> 10x and 11x.
Well, if a machine works with 10x, it will (normally) continue
working with later versions :-)
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On 08/05/2015 09:45 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-08-06 03:25, Roman Bysh wrote:
Understood. Personally I've been updating my
hardware entries.
I come from a background of being a Senior Tech Engineer providing support
for data acquisition hardware and EDA software for a very large international
hardware/simulation company. Everything has to be exact and up-to-date.
So these habits are hard to break.
The problem is getting people to navigate to that section and adding their hardware.
I also will not be purchasing for a few years. I may reconsider this Fall/Spring 2016
when Skylake comes out or the next tick-tock after it comes out. Maybe 2018.
Bye,
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On 08/05/2015 07:48 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: On
2015-08-06 01:34,
Roman Bysh wrote:
Too a point :-)
I wouldn't make a recommendation like that on the forums.
Especially with the latest hardware including the latest graphics
cards, wifi, touchpads, UEFI and so on...
Eumm... you are getting it wrong.
If some one logs an entry that the machine he buys on 2007 runs 10.1
perfectly, it is very probable that the same machine will continue
working correctly with later openSUSE releases.
Nowhere can it be inferred that it is the latest hardware. It is 2007
vintage hardware, today.
That is the meaning of what I wrote.
There is no need for people to update the old entries they wrote about
their hardware working with whatever old release. What there is need
is that when they try any new hardware, they add entries for that
hardware.
Hopefully, it will be some years till I create an entry in there.
Unless I get into big money!
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>> There are a lot of entries where the
latest distro is version
>> 10x and 11x.
Well, if a machine works with 10x, it will (normally) continue
working with later versions :-)
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Le 06/08/2015 04:08, Roman Bysh a écrit :
The problem is getting people to navigate to that
section and adding their hardware.
the problem is also than editing wiki tables is really unfriendly. We
badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't go
recently ti the page)
thanks
jdd
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On 2015-08-06 11:13, jdd wrote:
the problem is also than editing wiki tables is really
unfriendly.
We badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't
go recently ti the page)
Yes, it is akin to coding.
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On 08/06/2015 08:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Maybe we can use a template created by
LibreOffice Calc to fill out it?
Or what about the hardware info file created by Yast. Can it be uploaded and parsed?
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the problem is also than editing wiki tables is
really unfriendly.
We badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't
go recently ti the page)
Yes, it is akin to coding.
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On 2015-08-06 20:33, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 08/06/2015 08:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-08-06 11:13, jdd wrote:
Maybe we can use a template created by
LibreOffice Calc to fill out it?
There will be collisions.
Another possibility is a shared document in google. I think it is
google: several people can edit it at once.
An easier method would be and individual form that is filled, then sent.
Software parses the form, and adds the data to a table.
>> the problem is also than editing wiki
tables is really unfriendly.
>> We badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't
>> go recently ti the page)
Yes, it is akin to coding.
Or what about the hardware info file created by Yast.
Can it be uploaded and parsed?
There was an effort that died, cross distro, which automatically
collected hardware information in a viewable database. I don't remember
the name, nor why it died.
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On 08/06/2015 02:45 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-08-06 20:33, Roman Bysh wrote:
Yes. I like the idea of a shared document that can be parsed and added to a table.
The cross distro hardware collection was called smolt.
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On 08/06/2015 08:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-08-06 11:13, jdd wrote:
Maybe we can use a template created by
LibreOffice Calc to fill out it?
There will be collisions.
Another possibility is a shared document in google. I think it is
google: several people can edit it at once.
An easier method would be and individual form that is filled, then sent.
Software parses the form, and adds the data to a table.
>> the problem is also than editing wiki
tables is really unfriendly.
>> We badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't
>> go recently ti the page)
Yes, it is akin to coding.
Or what about the hardware info file created by
Yast. Can it be uploaded and parsed?
There was an effort that died, cross distro, which automatically
collected hardware information in a viewable database. I don't remember
the name, nor why it died.
9:45 p.m.
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On 08/06/2015 03:42 PM, Roman Bysh wrote:
On 08/06/2015 02:45 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Correction
Filling out an individual document that can be parsed and added to a table.
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On 2015-08-06 20:33, Roman Bysh wrote:
Yes. I like the idea of a shared document that can be parsed and added to a
table.
The cross distro hardware collection was called smolt.
On 08/06/2015 08:45 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-08-06 11:13, jdd wrote:
Maybe we can use a template created by
LibreOffice Calc to fill out it?
There will be collisions.
Another possibility is a shared document in google. I think it is
google: several people can edit it at once.
An easier method would be and individual form that is filled, then sent.
Software parses the form, and adds the data to a table.
>> the problem is also than editing wiki
tables is really unfriendly.
>> We badly need a form system to enter the datas (that said I didn't
>> go recently ti the page)
Yes, it is akin to coding.
Or what about the hardware info file created by
Yast. Can it be uploaded and parsed?
There was an effort that died, cross distro, which automatically
collected hardware information in a viewable database. I don't remember
the name, nor why it died.
7 Aug
7 Aug
10:53 a.m.
Hey,
On 06.08.2015 01:34, Roman Bysh wrote:
We need a new way of getting users motivated in
participating on
adding their laptops, PCs, mobos etc.. to this section.
What does this have to do with the discussion about the landing page?
Please start your own thread for it...
Henne
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Moin,
On 05.08.2015 22:24, Manu Gupta wrote:
Choices choices choices. Putting choices in front of people is _very_
bad for conversions. The more options people have, the more likely they
will just close the page...
Just make a sensible default and sell hard what most people want to have
anyway: A Linux OS. Then when you have their general interest in your OS
you can offer special interest releases like Tumbleweed, Evergreen or
Li-Fe. 95% of what all our releases offer is the same anyway!
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors?
No, we want to encourage _all_ contributions so we have to 'sell'
contributing itself. Which means telling people why contributing is a
good thing, why they should best contribute to OUR project, what
benefits contributing brings to their life. You can give them the choice
of what to do once you have convinced them to try it. Same as with
installing the distribution...
Henne
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On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
>
> A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
> for information about our distribution.
[...]
Sadly neither
the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
A better way should be to play to user's preferences.
-->Do you prefer speed or Are you a developer? Use Tumbleweed
--> Do you want a stable system that just works? Use Leap
--> Do you want LTS? Use Evergreen Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for
non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
12:19 p.m.
Le 07/08/2015 11:18, Henne Vogelsang a écrit :
Choices choices choices. Putting choices in front of
people is _very_
bad for conversions. The more options people have, the more likely they
will just close the page...
Just make a sensible default and sell hard what most people want to have
anyway: A Linux OS. Then when you have their general interest in your OS
you can offer special interest releases like Tumbleweed, Evergreen or
Li-Fe. 95% of what all our releases offer is the same anyway!
I support that fully. Go for "Leap"
No, we want to encourage _all_ contributions so we
have to 'sell'
contributing itself. Which means telling people why contributing is a
good thing, why they should best contribute to OUR project, what
benefits contributing brings to their life. You can give them the choice
of what to do once you have convinced them to try it. Same as with
installing the distribution...
I support that fully...
"contribute to a friendly project, be part of the adventure, be the one
who do things, dot not let the other let you back!"
we shuld have some motto like this on the landing page together with Leap.
thanks
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Similar style, but we definitely know what they are selling:
http://www.Datera.io/
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5:51 p.m.
Hey
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors?
No, we want to encourage _all_ contributions so we have to 'sell'
contributing itself. Which means telling people why contributing is a
good thing, why they should best contribute to OUR project, what
benefits contributing brings to their life. You can give them the choice
of what to do once you have convinced them to try it. Same as with
installing the distribution...
Great, this makes so much more sense!!! However, when we are trying to
answer this question, we are no different than other open source
projects. I am not really sure what distinguishes us from a new
comer's perspective. However, I think we can objectively show the
different areas where a new contributor can contribute towards.
In short, this is what I mean, you can contribute to these areas in
our projects which is what the current page but in a very limited
scope.
Contribute Section Can be divided something like
-> Code
-> Write (articles)
-> Paint (posters / artwork)
-> Spread (the word)
-> Build (packages)
-> Donate (hardware)
-> Localize (openSUSE)
This is a small set to begin with. But makes the point come across.
Moin,
On 05.08.2015 22:24, Manu Gupta wrote:
Choices choices choices. Putting choices in front of people is _very_
bad for conversions. The more options people have, the more likely they
will just close the page...
Just make a sensible default and sell hard what most people want to have
anyway: A Linux OS. Then when you have their general interest in your OS
you can offer special interest releases like Tumbleweed, Evergreen or
Li-Fe. 95% of what all our releases offer is the same anyway!
Ok.. Agreed!!!
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
>
> A large percentage of the ~45K/day users who visit that page are looking
> for information about our distribution.
[...]
Sadly
neither the old page nor the new page do a very good job at that.
A better way should be to play to user's preferences.
-->Do you prefer speed or Are you a developer? Use Tumbleweed
--> Do you want a stable system that just works? Use Leap
--> Do you want LTS? Use Evergreen Second, the
contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do? Henne
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Hey,
On 10.08.2015 17:51, Manu Gupta wrote:
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
For code/tools for instance we very much focus on cross-distribution,
unlike all the other competitors. For packaging we very much focus on
automatic quality checks rather than rules and supervision. In general
we are trying to avoid hierarchy as much as possible. I'm sure we can
work out a lot of important differences for contributing to openSUSE.
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On 05.08.2015 22:24, Manu Gupta wrote:
Great, this makes so much more sense!!! However, when we are trying to
answer this question, we are no different than other open source
projects. I am not really sure what distinguishes us from a new
comer's perspective. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
No, we want to encourage _all_ contributions so we have to 'sell'
contributing itself. On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
> Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
> contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
> with the issues we are already facing
It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
people that visit this page do?
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors?
12 Aug
12 Aug
5:36 p.m.
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
Hey,
On 10.08.2015 17:51, Manu Gupta wrote:
Hmm, Working out the important differences is really important.
"instead of Rules & Supervision" may actually be good or bad in its
own sense, however, I agree.
Another one is that it is really easy to initiate at openSUSE which
might be really difficult in other project.
If we can work out on a couple more of these differences, we can
actually reword it to make it presentable for the landing page.
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
For code/tools for instance we very much focus on cross-distribution,
unlike all the other competitors. For packaging we very much focus on
automatic quality checks rather than rules and supervision. In general
we are trying to avoid hierarchy as much as possible. I'm sure we can
work out a lot of important differences for contributing to openSUSE.
On 05.08.2015 22:24, Manu Gupta wrote:
Great, this makes so much more sense!!! However, when we are trying to
answer this question, we are no different than other open source
projects. I am not really sure what distinguishes us from a new
comer's perspective. On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Henne Vogelsang
<hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote:
> On 03.08.2015 04:23, Manu Gupta wrote:
>
>> Second, the contributions corner. It is uninviting for non-technical
>> contributors. There is no mention of it and it does not help at all
>> with the issues we are already facing
>
> It's again a matter of focus. What do we want that the majority of
> people that visit this page do?
Again, Yes but do we want to exclude non-technical contributors?
No, we want to encourage _all_ contributions so we have to 'sell'
contributing itself. Henne
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