December 2012 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] download.opensuse.org IPV6 address breaks updates
by Gerald Pfeifer 15 Nov '13

15 Nov '13

I am seeing this with an openSUSE 12.1 system at home, and also a Factory system at work: % host download.opensuse.org download.opensuse.org has address 195.135.221.134 download.opensuse.org has IPv6 address 2001:67c:2178:8::13 And then, when running zypper patch or zypper up, I see Retrieving: repomd.xml [error] Download (curl) error for 'http://download.opensuse.org/update/12.1/repodata/repomd.xml': Error code: Connection failed Error message: Failed to connect to 2001:67c:2178:8::13: Network is unreachable Alas, my provider nor that network at work support IPv6. Still, my system has IPv6 enabled since roaming around on different networks, IPv6 may be present, or even necessary there. (This does not happen all the time, sometimes if I retry a bit later the system uses IPv4 and everything works.) Now, is this just a setup problem and I should simply and unconditionally disable IPv6? Or are some parts of our update or network stack in need of some adjustments? For the time being, unless this is just me running into this, should we disable IPv6 on download.opensuse.org? Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp(a)suse.com> || SUSE || Director Product Management -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 17:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 26 Dec '12

26 Dec '12

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 17:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=26&month=12&year=2012&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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25 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] The New 2013 Board Members are:
by Bryen M Yunashko 22 Dec '12

22 Dec '12

As of 23:00 UTC on 16 December, 2012, the openSUSE Project’s members completed the Fifth election of the openSUSE Board. At stake were two seats of the five electable seats. With 8 candidates, the community definitely had a broad choice of qualified candidates to choose from. In the end, the two top vote-getters were Raymond Wooninck (tittiacoke) and Robert Schweikert, (robjo) respectively. They will join the openSUSE Board on January 9th during the transitional meeting of the regularly scheduled Project meeting heldon the Freenode IRC Channel at 17:00 UTC. The Election Officials would like to congratulate all of thecandidates for a great campaign season. These candidates included Matt Barringer, Richard Brown, Carl Fletcher, Manu Gupta, Chuck Payne and Stefan Seyfried. All of these candidates demonstrated a commitment to the Project and exemplified the Guiding Principles which the Project, as a whole, is founded upon. We join the rest of the community in looking forward to an exciting year to come as the new Board embarks on new initiatives and directions. And we thank the community for giving us the opportunity to serve as members of the election committee. Sincerely, The openSUSE Election Committee - Izabel Valverde - Thomas Schmidt - Bryen M Yunashko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] banner
by Victor hck 21 Dec '12

21 Dec '12

Hi ! The elections have finished, so I think it's time to change the banner of the page: http://www.opensuse.org/en/ http://www.opensuse.org/es/ Bye! ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] poll results
by Marcus Rueckert 21 Dec '12

21 Dec '12

hi, poll results should be viable for logged in users. not just members. I dont even see a reason not to make them public viable without login. with kind regards darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Cross-posting - why not?
by Greg Freemyer 21 Dec '12

21 Dec '12

All, The netiquette was updated in the last couple days to explicitely say cross-posting is wrong: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette#Cross_posting I very much disagree for the majority of the opensuse specialized lists. In particular I note there is currently a cross-posted discussion going on here with both -artwork and -project in the to: line. I think this is as it should be. I propose the netiquette be updated to say: ======= Cross posting That is when the same message is sent to two or more mail lists at once, like when we CC two or more people in a private message. Problem is if people reply and are not able to post to both lists. Then one of the replies is rejected and the conversation becomes disjointed. ie. Conversation becomes broken as the reader[s] can see only messages that are posted to their list, often stumbling on answers without previous questions. This is imposing a lot of additional work to follow conversation, like looking another list, or mail list archives, and try to locate missing messages. The opensuse lists come in 2 flavors: Closed lists that only allow subscriber postings and open lists which allow non-subscriber postings. The high volume end-user distro support lists are all closed. The lower volume specialized lists are typically open. Thus if you post to a end-user list like "opensuse(a)opensuse.org" do not cross-post to any other list. If you are posting to the more specialized open list, cross-posting is fine, but when replying to cross-posted messages, please continue to reply to both of the cross-posted lists. === FYI: The LKML (linux kernel mailing lists) familiy of mailing lists has been open for years and the cross-posting has been the norm there for years. This is a solution. FYI2: I first proposed on opensuse(a)opensuse.org converting it to an open list and allowing cross-posting, but got little buy-in. That's why I carved out the main user support lists from the rest. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Question about the function of connect.o.o
by Satoru Matsumoto 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

Hello mates, does anyone know whether there's a function to push notifications to group members when a discussion is newly created or updated on connect.opensuse.org group? Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board report for October & November 2012
by Vincent Untz 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

Hi all, Here is a report of what the openSUSE Board discussed in October and November 2012. Note: action items that have been completed are not mentioned here; some action items can belong to non-board members. We intend to have such reports on a regular basis. On a personal level, I'd like to encourage teams to write short reports too, to keep everyone aware of what's going on. Feedback on the content (as well as the form) is welcome :-) Cheers, Vincent ================================================================== Events ====== + openSUSE Conference 2013 One team applied to organize the Conference in 2013. After some discussion with the team, and an evaluation of other options that could be considered, it was agreed that the Conference would be organized in Greece in July 2013. + openSUSE Summit 2013 SUSE proposed to host an openSUSE Summit in Florida after SUSEcon, in November 2013. In concrete terms, SUSE would sponsor the venue and part of the organization, while the community would handle the content and some local organization. To make an informed decision, feedback on the idea has been requested from the community. + openSUSE Conference 2014 In the hope that we can have two events a year, and assuming that we would have a venue for the Summit sponsored by SUSE around November every year, the board believes it would be beneficial to have the Conference in spring. To enable this in 2014, we need to publish a call for hosting bids shortly after the openSUSE Conference 2013 announcement. AI: all to decide about openSUSE Summit 2013 AI: all to prepare a call for bids for the openSUSE Conference 2014 Hackathons ========== A long-time idea of organizing more hackfests/sprints/etc. was pushed with a proposal from SUSE to host three hackathons before openSUSE 12.3. The board supported the proposal. One goal is to learn from this experience so that the community can organize more hackathons all year long. Andrew agreed to monitor and help the coordination of the first hackathons for the board. Changes to Ambassadors Program ============================== Kostas sent a proposal about changes to the ambassador program (as proposed in his talk at the conference). On a general note, the board supports the changes. There were some comments / suggestions for changes from a non-board reviewer, that could be added to clarify a few things (such as the relation with our existing governance structure, ie the board). AI: Kostas to review latest comments, and then start implementing the changes. Legal entity for openSUSE ========================= An internal discussion about whether we need a legal entity or not resumed again, and what form it should take. Two of the goals would obviously be to be able to have direct access to some funds, and to receive donations. Two main approaches were being discussed: - creation of a Foundation - joining a non-profit organization like the Software Freedom Conservancy The two approaches are currently under evaluation (which includes discussing with the Software Freedom Conservancy). The goal is to have as much information as possible so that the board with newly-elected members can move fast next year. AI: Vincent to discuss further with Software Freedom Conservancy AI: Henne to fetch old documents about establishing a Foundation Organization of openSUSE Board elections ======================================== The board worked on setting up an election committee that will organize the elections. Izabel Valverde, Bryen Yunashko and Thomas Schmidt agreed to step up. Misc ==== There was short discussion on having openSUSE as an organization in Ohloh, with general agreement that it should be done. AI: Henne to create the organization in Ohloh -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Thank you
by Robert Schweikert 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

Hi, I'd like to thank Bryen, Izable, and Thomas for volunteering and organizing the elections for this years openSUSE Board election. I'd also like to thank those that participated in the election and cast their vote. Thank you for placing your trust in me and electing me to the openSUSE Board. Congratulations to Raymond on winning a seat on the Board. I am looking forward to working with all the board members to address issues raised by the community and guide the evolution of our project and community. Have a lot of fun. Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei(a)suse.com rschweik(a)ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Fwd: [opensuse-project] Voting for the board! Hard to choose!
by Greg Freemyer 17 Dec '12

17 Dec '12

Michael Catanzaro <mike.catanzaro(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 02:36 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: >> >> Could you explain what you mean with a "runoff" ? >> >> cheers > >In an election to fill one position, when no candidate gets 50% of the >votes, a runoff election may be held with just the top two finishers. >E.g. say 40% of the people like Candidate A, 32% like Candidate B, and >28% like Candidate C. But B and C are really similar and B/C >supporters >don't like A. If there's no runoff, then A gets 40% of the vote and >wins, even though 60% of the electorate would prefer B or C. (That's >what happens in almost every election in the USA.) Every election maybe, but not every race. So where I live if we have 15 races to vote on, typically one or more of the races won't get 50% and there is a run-off election a few weeks later. For openSUSE we can make up any rules we want. eg. A winner must have 40% of voters minimum in the first vote to be declared a winner. If only one candidate achieves 40%, then the candidates with the 2nd and 3rd most votes will be in a runoff. If no candidate achieves 40%, then the top 3 candidates go to a runoff. fyi: i have no idea what good cutoff would be. Where I live it is 50% for political elections, but it can be whatever works best for openSUSE. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Voting for the board! Hard to choose!
by Greg Freemyer 15 Dec '12

15 Dec '12

All, Only 2 days left and looking at the platforms / backgrounds I must say it's a fantastic selection of candidates. I'm not sure we could go wrong with any of them. My only wish is that we had a runoff option of some kind with this many great candidates, I bet no one gets even 40%. If I'm right and the votes are almost evenly split across numerous candidates , I suggest the rules be updated for future elections to have a quick runoff mechanism. Ideas of how to do that can wait until this election is over. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Do legal related bugs need to be private?
by Cristian Morales Vega 14 Dec '12

14 Dec '12

libcdio 0.90 has been released. Right now we have a GIT snapshot because of a legal problem that the .changes file summarizes as: - libcdio-paranoia separated from libcdio due to license issues see bnc#756564 I want to read the bug report to know how to do a proper update. But I can't access to it. Now that I have shown that making legal related bugs private causes problems, there is any good reason to do that? And if it's actually needed, what's the recommended workaround? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Call for volunteers - Program Committee
by Robert Schweikert 14 Dec '12

14 Dec '12

Hi, As you may be aware (hopefully) oSC13 planning and organization is on the way and we have little time to pull everything together. The conference will take place in Greece in July. While there are numerous tasks that can only be accomplished by local volunteers there are also a plethora of tasks that can be accomplished from afar. One such task is to create a schedule, decide on tracks etc. For this we need volunteers to form the Program Committee. Being part of the committee is independent of attendance, i.e. you may not be able to attend but you can still help make oSC13 a great event. We need at least one person that has experience with Indico or a similar tool that we can use to accept papers. The team needs 5 to 8 people. So far we have the following members on the committee: Stella (differentreality) will lead the team and coordinate with the rest of the oSC13 organization team, Henne, Luiz, Alberto, and myself. Therefore it would be great if we can find 2 or 3 more people willing to help with the progam for oSC13. Everyone signing up is expected to participate in a few meetings to discuss what tracks we should have, timing of call for papers etc. Also everyone on the committee is expected to read all the submitted abstracts. A rough list of tasks we have collected so far can be found here: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_todo_list#Program (Note that other oSC13 tasks are being tracked in Trello and the program comittee might also move to Trello if we end up with many more tasks than anticipated) So feel free to jump right in, and respond to this e-mail or send me an e-mail directly if you are interested in helping with the program for oSC13. Note there is no conflict of interest, i.e. you can be on the committee and still submit proposals for a talk/BoF/hands on tutorial. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei(a)suse.com rschweik(a)ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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14 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] I'm being bombarded by NetIQ on my opensuse address.
by Carlos E. R. 13 Dec '12

13 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] SCaLE 11x announcement
by Drew Adams 13 Dec '12

13 Dec '12

Hey everyone, The 11th annual Southern California Linux Expo (SCaLE 11x), is just around the corner. I have already been in contact with the fine people at SCaLE and secured our booth. They will be getting us our Exhibitor=92s Kit soon enough. I would like to put some feelers out in the community for interested community members that would like to help work the booth. I have informally spoken to a few local people who have expressed a desire to help, but I would like to formalize those discussions by bringing them on-list. Also, I know there has been some ideas tossed about... Ideas like, getting a custom "openSUSE Project" banner, and having some videos looping showing off the different desktops running on 12.2. If we are serious about doing ideas like these, we need to start planning and, more importantly, acting in preparation for SCaLE. SCaLE is going to be on February 22-24, 2013 at the Hilton Los Angeles International Airport Hotel. I am looking forward to working the booth again... I hope we get some new faces working the booth this year too. Join us, we always have a lot of fun! -- Drew Adams Member & Ambassador, openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-conference] Reminder: oSC13 Kick-Start Meeting Tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by differentreality 13 Dec '12

13 Dec '12

Hey all, here you can find the logs of the conference meeting: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_meeting/osc13/2012-12-13 Looking forward to having you all participate! Stella On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Kostas Koudaras <warlordfff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone > Tomorrow we will have a kick-start meeting at #opensuse-project > channel on IRC. For the agenta of the meeting please go to > https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_meeting#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting > Feel free to add anything related to oSC13 if you feel like. > Have Fun > Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras > > -- > --- \m/ --- > http://opensuse.gr http://os-el.gr > http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr > http://warlordfff.tk > --- \m/ --- > me I am not I > --- \m/ --- > Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-conference+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-conference+owner(a)opensuse.org > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: oSC13 Kick-Start Meeting Tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
by Kostas Koudaras 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hi Everyone Tomorrow we will have a kick-start meeting at #opensuse-project channel on IRC. For the agenta of the meeting please go to https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_meeting#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting Feel free to add anything related to oSC13 if you feel like. Have Fun Kostas 'Warlordfff' Koudaras -- --- \m/ --- http://opensuse.gr http://os-el.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr http://warlordfff.tk --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] E17 goes to openSUSE
by Tomas Cech 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hi lizards fellows, after years of development of E17, after years of E17 built for openSUSE externally I'm glad I can say that E17 release is getting near and it's way to openSUSE is getting to an end. Release is scheduled to December 21th 2012 and all packages needed for the E are already accepted or waiting in the openSUSE submit queue for review. E17 is not the ultimate goal, but first step in accepting this live part of opensource world ecosystem. You can find our future steps in Todo list on wiki (see URL bellow). To coordinate further efforts we formed group and provide (in this time) needed social media access too. You can there find basic information and information about progress. Portal on Wiki: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Enlightenment openSUSE Connect: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/42079/e17-users/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/openSUSE17 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/opensuse.e17 IRC: #opensuse-e @ FreeNode We provide two repositories in OBS for E: X11:Enlightenment:Factory - this repository contains packages, which were released and packages which are compiled against releases - this is the devel project where the packages goes to Factory from and is meant for users X11:Enlightenment:Nightly - this repository follows SVN commits strictly, contains much more packages, but can from time to time be broken same way as upstream - this is for EFL+E17 developers and testers Have fun! Tomas Cech Sleep_Walker

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[opensuse-project] Minutes of openSUSE Project Meeting of December 12th, 2012
by Vincent Untz 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Here are the minutes of today's meeting. Cheers, Vincent http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… =========================================== #opensuse-project: openSUSE Project Meeting =========================================== Meeting started by vuntz at 17:00:13 UTC. The full logs are available at http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… . Meeting summary --------------- * Quick review of action items from last meeting (vuntz, 17:02:45) * for the wiku update AI, cboltz could do with some help pushing this forward (vuntz, 17:07:35) * doc on what chairing involves and how to do it is on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting (vuntz, 17:09:30) * keeping other AI that weren't completed (vuntz, 17:09:39) * ACTION: darix to ask henne about getting someone else to help with administrating the mailing lists (vuntz, 17:09:44) * ACTION: cboltz to ask scott about status of wiki update (vuntz, 17:09:51) * ACTION: vuntz to talk to toscalix about a paid designer for openSUSE (vuntz, 17:09:58) * openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013 (vuntz, 17:12:21) * for background, see discussion at http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2012-12/msg00017.html (vuntz, 17:54:45) * agreement that having a booth at SUSECon would be great (vuntz, 17:55:03) * agreement that we should try to have talks at SUSECon (vuntz, 17:55:13) * many questions on whether a summit or a track is best, whether doing this at SUSECon or at another event is best, etc. (see log) (vuntz, 17:56:05) * suggestion to rethink how we should organize a summit (or summits) in 2014; a discussion to start after we decide what to do in 2013 (vuntz, 17:57:26) * potential options for 2013: do like last year, push to have a track during SUSECon, do a summit at another event (no concrete proposal so far), do no summit (vuntz, 17:58:19) * there is no real option to decide to do the Summit and then cancel in February (too expensive) (vuntz, 18:03:26) * ACTION: vuntz to summarize discussion to the board (vuntz, 18:08:55) * openSUSE Conference 2013 (vuntz, 18:09:29) * kick-start meeting for oSC13 is tomorrow at 15:00 UTC (vuntz, 18:10:12) * people willing to help can join the trello board: https://trello.com/board/opensuse-conference-2013/4fbbad2bb16117957efeff5c (vuntz, 18:11:39) * 19-20-21 of July is currently the target dates (vuntz, 18:12:23) * there is a connect group named 'oSC13 The summer is comming' for people to submit any articles / blog posts / etc. (vuntz, 18:15:19) * everyone should blog about the conference! (vuntz, 18:15:37) * https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference is the place where all the information about the event is gathered (vuntz, 18:16:19) * everybody is welcome to participate in the organization (vuntz, 18:17:06) * Brief Q&A (vuntz, 18:22:58) * Next meeting date & chair (vuntz, 18:25:05) * no meeting on December 26th (vuntz, 18:26:33) * next meeting on January 9th (chair: vuntz) (vuntz, 18:26:43) Meeting ended at 18:26:52 UTC. Action items, by person ----------------------- * cboltz * cboltz to ask scott about status of wiki update * vuntz * vuntz to talk to toscalix about a paid designer for openSUSE * vuntz to summarize discussion to the board People present (lines said) --------------------------- * vuntz (136) * warlordfff (109) * suseROCKs (70) * robjo (49) * Ilmehtar (22) * hendersj (14) * differentreality (6) * tampakrap (6) * victorhck (4) * cboltz (4) * bugbot (3) * tux93 (1) * zoumpis_mobile (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Richard Brown 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

>>> Vincent Untz 12/12/12 2:19 PM >>> >Do you think it's something that could be fixed, by working with the >SUSECon organizers so that their messaging includes the Summit, and >invites attendees to stay in order to explore the community? I feel strong messaging encouraging people to stay for Summit is essential if an openSUSE track is not a possibility and we have a separate summit. But, no, I don't think it will be as effective as having it as a conjoined event. I'm sure many companies (SUSE included) will see it as something that can be economised on, and so people won't be able to stay the extra days - this is the big issue I saw on summit, lots of people I spoke to on the last day of SUSEcon, knew about Summit, but had been unable to secure the funding and extra days out of the office in order to attend Summit. >FWIW, I'm asking inside SUSE if doing some kind of "openSUSE track" >during SUSECon is an option. Thank you! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] [reminder] openSUSE Project Meeting tomorrow at 17:00 UTC
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

Hello all, The biweekly project meeting will be held tomorrow at 17:00 UTC in #opensuse-project on freenode. Everybody is invited to join and participate! Find out what time the meeting will be in your timezone: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=12&month=12&year=2012&… Agenda of the meeting: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Agenda_for_the_next_meeting If you cannot participate and want a specific question to be answered during the meeting, please add your question to: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting#Questions_Section Minutes and logs of previous meetings can be found at: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/ Thanks, -- openSUSE Meeting Reminder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Richard Brown 12 Dec '12

12 Dec '12

>>> Vincent Untz 12/06/12 3:20 PM >>> >Now, SUSE is offering us to do something similar in 2013. Of course, >we'd need to move fast if we want to do that (as the venue needs to be >secured for additional days). There have been people suggesting that we >should also have a booth during SUSECon, or even suggesting that our >openSUSE presence should happen during SUSECon (as part of it?) to >decrease the amount of work needed for the organization. I really enjoyed Summit, and it greatly exceeded my expectations. That said, there were a number of issues which detracted from it's potential Having it just after SUSEcon led to lots of that events attendees, sponsors, and SUSE employees leaving before the summit started. I think this was a missed opportunity for SUSE to 'show-off' how important openSUSE is to them, and for the non-SUSE openSUSE community to make contacts and build bridges with the wider 'SUSE-ecosystem' This left Summit as a small but enjoyable 'mini-oSC', a little easier for our North American community members to attend, but primarily attended by regular Geekos, many of whom also attend other FOSS and openSUSE events As enjoyable as it was, I don't see what summit brought to the table that those other events don't already. Even with a bigger gap between the two events, I'm nervous about there being a dilution effect if Summit and Conference have similar goals. I think conference should be our primary community event, focused on the community and it's needs, stuffed with the best talks, possibly in the model of oSC 11 (ie. Shove a few hundred Geekos in a building and let the magic happen) I think Summit's great potential is to be our 'window to the business world' event. SUSEcon to me seems to be SUSE's big corporate, partners & marketing shindig, with SUSE screaming 'look at us, we're big, we're awesome', filling up customers and attendees brains with as much information as possible about the SUSE world. I think openSUSE needs to be an integral part of that. We're an important part of what SUSE do, arguably more so than any other partner, so at the very least, even if Summit continues as a separate event, I'd like to see an openSUSE booth, ideally staffed with both SUSE and non-SUSE contributors to openSUSE. I also think, instead of a separate summit event, I'd like to see an openSUSE track at SUSEcon with sessions focusing on the bleeding edge (ie. stuff not yet in SLE) and gaining new contributors (how your business can use OBS, how to submit patches, etc). The logic being to grab the interest of SUSEcon's audience and could hopefully lead to some of them getting involved with openSUSE That said, I realise my proposal has one major flaw - As a corporate event SUSEcons price tag of $999 puts it well out of reach of most openSUSE community members who may want attend just for the openSUSE track. That's something we'd need to think about, but I don't think its insurmountable, or worst case, it just means we have to do a better job of encouraging their attendance to oSC and making it as internationally accessible as we can. That's my 2c/2p - Rich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] http://sumixs.com - GANHE 9 DOLARES SÓ VENDO VIDEOS
by http＠suse.de 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Agustin Benito Bethencourt 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

Hi, these statements reflect issues that I would like to work on: 1.- 15:50:13 <lupinstein> without it, the money would go to SUSE like the money from Google Summer of Code, but I could be wrong. 2.- 15:50:58 <manugupt1> lupinstein: Last time heard, Jos telling in a mailing list that we do get money.. so thats great.. :) but we need some transparency there.. I believe.. which should be a role for the next board 3.- 15:52:37 <lupinstein> it would be hard for me to give to SUSE, because I am not sure if it would all go to openSUSE. 4.- 15:53:22 <lupinstein> anyway foundation would be a plus for transparency in my opinion. It seems that two topics, transparency and increasing income are linked to the creation of the Foundation. This is a wrong approach to me. They are separate and not neccesarily linked topics. The Foundation is, in any case, the consequence of a wider and more complex process. Having a company like SUSE should allow openSUSE to, in the case a foundation is created, to start it in a very mature and susteinable state. We are far from there at this point. We can and should increase transparency in the economic area and we have to find ways for the project to become economically susteinable, so creating a Foundation could be a topic to discuss because it has a clear mid term future. 5.- 16:09:54 <tittiatcoke> The KDE area didn't loose any members to open-slx, but the loss was more due to the reorganization of the boosters team open-slx is an example of the opportunities openSUSE has to become "business friendly" Open Source Press is another example. Transforming openSUSE into a business friendly ecosystem will be a major topic in the coming new action plan. What do you think? Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Conference 2013 In Thessaloniki Greece
by Kostas Koudaras 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

We are very happy to inform you that next year’s openSUSE Conference (oSC13), the yearly get together of our community, will happen in July in the beautiful city of Thessaloniki, Greece. oSC13 will bring together a wide variety of Free and Open Source (FOSS) contributors to collaborate on one of the major Linux distribution projects. In exciting talks, workshops and social events our community will bring alive our motto “Have a lot of fun”. See the Promotional video at: http://youtu.be/Eiv4e5ZxTmg or at http://blip.tv/openSUSEtv/geeko-stories-thessaloniki-greece-6470971 Also a presentation about Thessaloniki has been done at openSUSE conference 2012 and you can find this at: http://youtu.be/SmubYI2FpZ0 We are entering the organization phase right now and have not yet settled on an exact date and location but we will let you know, right here on news.opensuse.org, once we have that info. In the meantime how about you help us organize oSC13? We need you at the kick off meeting! To make this the most awesome conference ever, we are looking for people who are willing to help out. We need you! There is a lot of organizing to be done, logos to be drawn, websites to be designed, schedules to be made, hotels to be booked, sponsors to be found and a million of other things you can help with. So to kick off the organization team and to get everyone on the same page we are going to meet this Thursday, December 13th on IRC to discuss what we need to do and how we are going to do it. If you’re looking for a chance to give back to the openSUSE community this is it! When: 2012-12-13 at 15:00 UTC Where: #opensuse-project on the freenode network Who: Everybody who want’s to make oSC13 great If you, for whatever reason, can’t participate but still want to help you should subscribe to our conference mailinglist: opensuse-conference(a)opensuse.org we are going to post meeting minutes there and will use this list to further organize oSC13. Now we would like all of you to go ahaid and spread the word out so if you like go ahaid and spread the word, if you happen to blog about it or if you find any article related to openSUSE Conference 2013 go ahaid and give a link to the connect Group I've created at https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/42396/osc13-the-summer-is-coming/ so that feedback would be available. Let’s get going and make oSC13 in Thessaloniki the best conference ever! Have fun and Spread the Word out -- --- \m/ --- http://opensuse.gr http://os-el.gr http://amb.opensuse.gr http://www.kde.gr http://warlordfff.tk --- \m/ --- me I am not I --- \m/ --- Time travel is possible, you just need to know the right aliens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE presence at SUSECon 2013?
by Vincent Untz 11 Dec '12

11 Dec '12

Hi, In case you were not aware, SUSE has announced that SUSECon 2013 will be held in November 2013 around Orlando (Florida, USA). If you want more details, see: https://www.suse.com/company/press/2012/11/suse-announces-location-and-date… In 2012, we organized an openSUSE Summit after SUSECon: SUSE sponsored us by providing the venue (and some help with logistics), so we were able to focus on the content and on the on-site organization during the event itself. Thanks again to Bryen and Alan who lead that effort! Now, SUSE is offering us to do something similar in 2013. Of course, we'd need to move fast if we want to do that (as the venue needs to be secured for additional days). There have been people suggesting that we should also have a booth during SUSECon, or even suggesting that our openSUSE presence should happen during SUSECon (as part of it?) to decrease the amount of work needed for the organization. Obviously, there's the "will it conflict with the openSUSE conference?" question :-) We'll have some news about the conference in the next few days, but the short summary is that there should be more time between the two events than this year, so it should go much better from that perspective. So, please reply to this thread, or directly to the board, or to me, with your thoughts. This will also be a topic we'll discuss next week, in the next project meeting. And ideally, we'll be able to tell SUSE if we want to do something, and if yes, what. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 10 Dec '12

10 Dec '12

>>> Agustin Benito Bethencourt 12/07/12 9:22 AM >>> >What do we have to do at SUSE to get more people involve in the Release >process? I think the community (which of course includes SUSE) could look into ways to make it easier for people to pitch in and get involved, but more importantly I think we need to do a much better job at getting the message out there about how easy it already is to be involved in the release process. Practical options I'd like us to consider include: * Revamping the website to make information about how to get involved much more prominent and welcoming. The website should also better convey the overall projects goal (which will tie into my answer to your second question) * Sorting the wiki out so it's a heck of a lot easier for everyone to use and search across - I'd like to see the death of the namespaces and perhaps replace it instead with 2 discreet wiki's, probably one for Users (ie the current SDB) and one for contributors (the current openSUSE namespace) - I think everything that currently exists in the 'Main' namespace, our 'product brochure' should be website, not wiki, material. * Do a better job of aggregating lots of our communication media (News, ML, Social Networking, etc) into one place contributors can go to stay involved (I think Connect++ could be a big part of such a solution) * Make it easier for people to get involved in our IRC channels, possibly with web-based access to IRC to dramatically lower the barrier to entry that exists for some new contributors. A lot of what I just suggested will require co-operation from SUSE in terms of manpower and infrastructure, and it might be sensible for your team at SUSE to take the lead on some of those things, either way, those are some areas I can see us working on in the near term. >Do we need to define targets for our distribution or that is a role for deployers and third parties? In terms of actual development goals (eg. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Goals_12.3) I think that's a place for our contributors to decide and the board to keep their noses out of But aside from the day to day, practical goals, I do think we need to sit down as a project and do a much better job of communicating who we are, what we are setting out to achieve, and who we intend our distribution to be used by. I think there is some merit in your ideas for a more 'business-orientated' approach, targeting SME's and turning our focus to being the 'ideal' linux distribution for SME's to use and contribute back to. I think it's a bold and ambitious target, and as my own involvement in openSUSE originated from use in an SME, I certainly can't argue that we aren't already capable in that area. Deciding on that as our focus could help provide the refinement and polish to really achieve something in this space, and would certainly make my answer shorter when I'm at conferences and people endlessly ask me "Why should I use openSUSE?" But 'business' is boring, I feel we'd need to be careful not to lose our unique "Have a lot of fun" vibe if we (the community) decide to head in that direction. The concerns about the economic side of things already is setting of alarm bells for me, which we'd have to resolve before I'd consider such a direction viable. I personally think our greatest strength as a project and distribution is the fact we embrace 'Choice' The fact we explicitly don't define how you're meant to use openSUSE is a strength - Whether you're a user who wants a server, a KDE workstation, a GNOME workstation, an appliance, a tablet, a toaster, we build, we distribute, you decide But we're not like other "do whatever you want" distros like Debian. While we do take the current and best from upstream and dump it all on our users to play with, we have tools like YaST (and SUSE give us Studio) which exist to help make that decision and deployment process easier. We're the distro where a relative novice can turn up and say "I want my box to be a desktop and a webserver and a mailserver and a VOIP server all at once" and it's half a dozen button clicks away instead of a month digging through documentation and configuration files. I think we don't do a good enough job at getting that message out to people, and I sometimes think we forget it ourselves, occasionally thinking we're making it easier for our users by taking choices away from them, rather than instead making it easier for them to make those choices. To give a specific example, revamping the desktop selection screen with screenshots and better descriptions to make it easier for a novice user to make an informed choice between GNOME and KDE is something I'd really like to see. I'm not sure my vision of 'choice' necessarily is enough to be a goal in-of-itself, nor do I think it is mutually exclusive to other proposed goal, whether that be a move to becoming 'business-orientated' or something else. I do think we could do with deciding on our direction, I just think we need to keep our strengths in choice and having fun at the same time, and do a better job of marketing all of it to the outside world. > What aspects of SUSE work in openSUSE can we improve in 2013? After that long answer, this one is going to be nice and short - I'd like to see much better communication what the openSUSE team @SUSE is up to and where I (as a contributor) might be able to help out. With the changes to the team, I no longer understand who is doing what, and I think that's important In the past, with the 'Boosters', when they weren't working on something already established and open, it often felt they were off doing their thing in private, then releasing their awesome stuff for everyone else to pitch in after the fact. I'd like it if we (the wider community) could know what openSUSE@SUSE team has on the go at any one time, and hopefully this would lead to more opportunities for the community to help out in the early stages with whatever your team is taking the lead on. > In general.....in which aspects should SUSE focus its activity for 2013 (in openSUSE)? I think my first answer covers most of my feelings about this. The release process needs attention, and we need to make sure that 12.3 and 12.4 both build on the lessons of recent releases. In the absence of any overarching 'goal', my feeling would be SUSE would be well positioned to act as 'troubleshooters', helping resolve particular pain-points in the project as they arise, then working with the community and the board to help make sure they don't occur again. There, sorry for the long replies, but you had great questions and wanted to make sure you got the full picture on how I feel about them Hope this helps - Richard On Friday, December 07, 2012 10:01:40 AM Agustin Benito Bethencourt wrote: > Hi, > > these statements reflect issues that I would like to work on: > > 1.- 15:50:13 without it, the money would go to SUSE like the > money from Google Summer of Code, but I could be wrong. > > 2.- 15:50:58 lupinstein: Last time heard, Jos telling in a > mailing list that we do get money.. so thats great.. :) but we need some > transparency there.. I believe.. which should be a role for the next board > > 3.- 15:52:37 it would be hard for me to give to SUSE, because I > am not sure if it would all go to openSUSE. > > 4.- 15:53:22 anyway foundation would be a plus for transparency > in my opinion. > > It seems that two topics, transparency and increasing income are linked to > the creation of the Foundation. This is a wrong approach to me. They are > separate and not neccesarily linked topics. > > The Foundation is, in any case, the consequence of a wider and more complex > process. Having a company like SUSE should allow openSUSE to, in the case a > foundation is created, to start it in a very mature and susteinable state. > We are far from there at this point. > > We can and should increase transparency in the economic area and we have to > find ways for the project to become economically susteinable, so creating a > Foundation could be a topic to discuss because it has a clear mid term > future. > > 5.- 16:09:54 The KDE area didn't loose any members to > open-slx, but the loss was more due to the reorganization of the boosters > team > > open-slx is an example of the opportunities openSUSE has to become "business > friendly" Open Source Press is another example. Transforming openSUSE into > a business friendly ecosystem will be a major topic in the coming new > action plan. > > What do you think? > > Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Cross-posting - why not?
by Greg Freemyer 09 Dec '12

09 Dec '12

Patrick Shanahan <paka(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >* Rajko <rmatov101(a)charter.net> [12-07-12 19:38]: >> On Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:01:23 +0100 >> Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote: >> >> > Only the user to user support lists are closed. So opensuse and >> > opensuse-$LANG. Everything else is open. >>> >> Thank you for prompt answer Henne. >> >> Then we have to adjust cross posting section in netiquette to reflect >> this. > >Ah, adjust cross posting? For what reason? So far I have seen one for >cross-posting, one on the fence and several voices against, if memory >serves. Now that I'm paying attention, I've seen 2 cross-posted threads in the last couple days. The -project/-artwork cross-post and a -packaging/-buildservice cross-post. The second one even started with a intro sentence saying it was a cross-post. So I assume both of those posters agree with me. For the proposal as it stands (ie. bifurcated netiquette for open / closed lists), only Patrick, Basil, and Carlos have been against. But I argue that cross-posting on the specialty lists has been happening for years and that for at least the last 3 years the netiquette has not addressed it. I think the netiquette as I updated it in my first post actually captures the status qua and no one has been complaining until the last week or two when someone had the nerve to cross-post to the sacred opensuse(a)opensuse.org list. Apparently that list is sacrosanct with traditions established before man discovered fire and is not open to change. The netiquette as I posted it preserves its centuries long traditions, but allows the specialists lists to continue as they've been doing the last few years. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer CNN/TruTV Aired Forensic Imaging Demo - http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/23/how-computer-evidence-gets-retrie… The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] justfor5dollars - com 5 dolares voce fatura muito neste negocio
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08 Dec '12

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[opensuse-project] Debate Transcript
by Bryen M Yunashko 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

Yesterday, the openSUSE 2013 Board candidates came to #opensuse-project IRC Channel to answer questions from the community. We're sure you'll find this enlightening and help you to make an informed choice when you vote. As a reminder, voting ends on December 16 at 23:00 UTC. If are an openSUSE member and you have not received an email on how to vote, please send notification to election-officials(a)opensuse.org. Links: Original transcript: http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2012/opensuse-proje… News article on news.opensuse.org: https://news.opensuse.org/2012/12/07/candidates-talk-frankly-at-debate/ Thank you, openSUSE Election Officials -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

>>> Per Jessen 12/07/12 1:14 PM >>> >History is filled with dead companies that didn't listen to their users. >Distros only exist for their users, I don't think distros are likely to >get away with ignoring that risk. Just an observation. I don't think anyone is suggesting we ignore the needs of our users, but we are talking about sometimes highly technical, bleeding edge stuff - that is part of the pleasure of working on FOSS, being able to push the boundaries and solve those issues that effect you, the contributor, but no one else has cared enough about to fix yet - the one reason we're all here is to scratch particular itches we have with the alternatives out there. In such a circumstance, the contributors doing the work are likely to know more about the situation than the users. That's not to say that the contributors are not going to welcome user feedback, in fact it's often vital, but ultimately it is, and should be, down to the contributor to decide what they do. The challenge there is to bring the users along for the journey. We need to get them to understand why the decision was made, let them see how much of their feedback you did embrace and why others didn't fit your vision and in some cases give them the choice not to use the wonderful new thing your contributions bring to the table If the users still aren't happy, then my answer to them would be "fine, do it yourself", and I think we have a part to play in making that as easy as possible for them to do - after all, new ideas is what keeps all of this moving forward, but ultimately someone needs to be prepared to do the work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] statements from the debate that are relevant to me:
by Richard Brown 07 Dec '12

07 Dec '12

>>> Henne Vogelsang 12/07/12 12:32 PM >>> >>On 07.12.2012 13:21, Raymond Wooninck wrote: >> If we look around us, then we see that a majority of the users of linux >> distributions are talking about the fact that a small group of people are >> making decisions for them. > >Who does, decides. One of the basic principles that makes FOSS great. >Why would we give that up? Totally agreed, so which is why I think the answer here is to make it easier for that 'user majority' who have opinions to get involved in a practical sense, so they can become the ones who are doing and deciding. >From my perspective, Raymonds experience with plymouth is actually a good example of the process working properly - the proposals time in openFATE gave opportunity to gauge what everyone felt about it. The lack of uptake probably suggested apathy, but Raymond was passionate about it and engaging with the community pushed his vision forward. When it came to the decision about making it the default, I'd argue it wasn't just Raymond and Coolo making that decision. It was clear from it's openFATE period that it was not a highly controversial change that risked alienating users. Raymond had successfully made it and had other community members working with him (lowering any risk that the package wouldn't be maintained going forward). The userbase had it's input during the openFATE period, and the community inputed by helping Raymond make it happen - Those who do, decide, and so from my perspective it was a natural decision to make Plymouth the default bootsplash Sure, I'd like to make it easier for everyone to get involved in that process, in order to get more feedback, more opportunities for people to help, a better understanding of how a change will be accepted once it's released, but I don't think we need to abandon the idea that the ones doing the work are the ones who have the most say in the fate of their work. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse] Cross-posting - why not?
by Patrick Shanahan 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

* Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer(a)gmail.com> [12-06-12 11:24]: ... > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Noel Butler <noel.butler(a)ausics.net> wrote: > > As for keeping this post on topic, I don't care one way or another about > > cross posting, but if you cross post to lists you are not on, its your > > own stupid fault. > > The issue isn't if the original poster is on multiple, it is if all > the people participating are on both lists. Correct, another issue is creating two or more disparate conversations concerning a singular topic which will/may differ in resolution and be archived in varying locations. comment not posted on opensuse list. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Board Candidate Debate today!
by Bryen M Yunashko 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Just a friendly reminder: Today at 15:00 UTC, the candidates for openSUSE's 2013 Board will gather in the #opensuse-project IRC channel to answer your questions in an open debate format. The event will last from 15:00 to 17:00 UTC. This is your opportunity to ask the candidates the burning questions in your mind and hear their answers. See you in the channel! openSUSE Election Officials -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 12.3 Wallpaper Contest
by Andy (anditosan) 06 Dec '12

06 Dec '12

Wallpaper Contest Guidelines This is an official announcement of the wallpaper contest for openSUSE 12.3. Submissions are made to artwork team's flickr page http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/ The format can be any image style you would like. Created with GIMP or Inkscape, or an original photo. They can all be considered. If the submission is not made in the Flickr page, it cannot be counted. If you don't have a Flickr page, ask any of our team members to help you submit your image. Given the amount of submissions so far this year(152 images so far), the artwork team will work on the selection of images in the following way. Our team members will be in charge of selecting the final 10 images for the selection of the rest of the community. We will present the 10 finalist images. Each voting member form our team will receive 10 points. These 10 points will be distributed across the images that such member selects as his/her best ones. You only have 10 points and nothing more, and you will run out of points after distributing those points across different images. If you are a contributor the artwork team and also the contest images, you cannot vote for yourself. The idea being to go out find other possible contributors to the team and there is no feeling that we pushing only for our own interests. To also show fairness to those who may be trying to be part of our team. For example Image 1: 3 pts Image 2: 5 pts Image 3: 2 pts TOTAL: 10 pts In order to vote you have to comment under the image in question on Flickr. You will add the comment saying: User X Comment: +1, +2, +5, etc We will be in charge also of counting the results. If you decide to change your mind about a particular image and would like to withdraw your points, you can do so by deleting the comment you made on a particular image. Additional information can be found here https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.3 The contest will end on December 24^th of 2012. After 1 week, December 10^th the finalists selection will end leaving the remaining 2 weeks for the community as a whole to vote on the last 10 images. The current members who replied to the artwork team list are Eugene Trounev Richard Brown Marcus Moeller Michael Fox Carlos Ribeiro Scott Dubois Marcel Kühlhorn Raiko Matovic Victor HCK James Mason If there is someone else who would like to participate and did not get the former email confirming your presence during this process, please email me at anditosan(a)opensuse.org and I will add you as long as the first selection week is not over. PS: There are details that may have escaped this revision, please write back to define them and update them. Thank you everyone! Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 2013 Board Elections Begin Today!
by Bryen M Yunashko 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

The excitement has been building for weeks and now the most important phase of the openSUSE Board elections begins today -- Election Time! Two seats are open for election by members of the openSUSE Project. The first seat is vacated by Henne Vogelsang who has completed his two-term limit. The second seat is currently held by Manu Gupta, appointed to fill in for Peter Linnel who stepped down in August of 2012. Both seats are for a two-year term that begins in January 2013 and ends in January 2015. How to Vote: If you are a current member of the openSUSE Project, you will soon receive an email with instructions on how to vote via openSUSE Connect polling system. You must be a member in good standing on or before 27 November 2012. If you have not yet received an email within the next 24 hours, please contact the Election Officials committee at election-officials(a)opensuse.org. Each eligible voter will be given two votes to cast, one for each seat to be elected in this cycle. Voting begins today and concludes at 23:00 UTC on 16 December 2012. But I can't decide!: With 8 excellent candidates running for two seats, we feel your pain. Luckily, there's two ways to learn more about the candidates. Option 1: Platforms and Blogs Read the candidates platforms and blogs here. [1] Option 2: Live Q&A Debate Tomorrow, Thursday at 15:00 UTC [2] , candidates will gather in the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode IRC network. A two hour session, moderated by the Election Officials, this will be an opportunity for you to ask questions live. Can't make it, no problem. We will post transcript of the debate here. Got a question you want to ask but can't make it? Post your question in the original news posting of this article at [3]. Thank you, openSUSE Election Officials [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Candidates [2] http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx [3] https://news.opensuse.org/2012/12/05/2013-board-elections-begin-today/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUSE-openSUSE relation: overview about financial decision processes
by Agustin Benito Bethencourt 05 Dec '12

05 Dec '12

Hi, as I explained in a previous mail, in the past, besides the former Boosters team, there were other SUSE employees working full time in openSUSE with different roles. Now, everybody that works full time in openSUSE is concentrated in a single team, the openSUSE Team at SUSE, that is part of the R&D and Communities department. The above strategy has also been supported from the financial point of view. The economic decisions from SUSE that directly affects openSUSE have also being moved to this department. This move will take some time to consolidate but it is on its way. As I also wrote before, we are working at SUSE on our future actions we will execute as company to support the project/community. Some of those actions have to do with the relation we would like to develop with openSUSE from the financial perspective. We will open a discussion with the Board, through our Chairman, Vincent Untz, about processes to be followed in economic topics. I would like to advance "the framework" in this relevant moment, the Board elections. Until now, most (almost all) of the decision logic on financial matters was placed over SUSE's shoulders. We will propose some measures to transfer part of that logic step by step into the community. This process will be associated to the following concepts: * Agreements: we want to go through this process in agreement with the community. * Transparency: all the processes and decisions have to be done in a transparent way not just toward the community but toward SUSE and other possible sponsors. This mean that budgeting / reporting is a necessary requirement attached to this process. * Scalability: in order for this process to scale, it is necessary that all the financial procedures within the community have the Board as the final and starting point, so our relation with the community in this matter, in the same way that for other sponsors in the future, is routed through them. We understand that it is up to the community to define the relation between the Board and those who will have relation or will manage the economic resources, like the Travel Support Program, Ambassadors, Program etc. Until now, this relation has been directly established with SUSE. We also believe that this relation between Board and executors will be more efficient if it is simple, clear and have trust as an important ingredient. During the next months we have, at least, the following challenges to face from the financial point of view: * The Travel Support Program 2013 * The new Ambassadors Program * A new model for supporting our action in events * Hackathons We would like to encourage the new Board to work with us, facing those challenges together. We will propose that this process is complemented with a definition of the relation between the Board and those who are going to execute these actions. So, in summary, our relation with openSUSE in the financial area, will be routed through the Board step by step, so we all can learn with little pressure and clear direction. Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 12.3 Wallpaper Contest
by Andy (anditosan) 04 Dec '12

04 Dec '12

Hello openSUSE Community We would like to invite you to participate in our wallpaper contest for the release of openSUSE 12.3. We have our submissions concentrated at http://www.flickr.com/groups/opensuse-artwork/ Please find and request artists to participate in this contest. The guidelines are detailed in my last email and also at the Flickr page. Please look for those images that you can submit to our contest. the more the better and be ready for next week to vote for the last 10 images. During this week, the artwork team will reception the images on flikr.com for them to decide on the finalists. Thank you for your participation. Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Standing up for the Board
by Manu Gupta 03 Dec '12

03 Dec '12

Hi All I would like to stand up for the board elections this year. My Primary Goals during this time : 1. Organizing Programs like GSoC and other programs that encourage new contributors to come-in 2. Knowing where all the funds come from and into. Pretty much all that comes to us is from SUSE. But there are donations from the community during oSC's which are totally unaccounted for. I believe before a foundation comes into place, the Board should be able to keep a track of whatever little funds that come from other sources should be accountable to the community. 3. Correspondence - The Board should have good correspondence with the community. So if the community asks something, the board should respond to it -- Regards Manu Gupta -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] snapper snapshot comparison algorithm
by nafisa mandliwala 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

hello, I wanted to know what algorithm snapper uses for snapshot comparison? From what i have interpreted, it does a block by block compare. I also wanted to know how the directories are 'diff'ed and if there is a scope of improvement in the current implementation. Also, if anyone has taken it up yet. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Hardware maintenance is done now
by Jim Henderson 02 Dec '12

02 Dec '12

Just been chatting with one of the people involved on the storage updates that were taking place in part of the infrastructure (forums, wiki, etc) - and the maintenance is done now and the services are completely back online now. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Design Ideas 12.3 Results
by Andres Silva 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

These are the results from the open question asked to the list about the design ideas or themes that will guide our thoughts in choosing artwork for openSUSE 12.3. The idea is to help our contributors and voters to make choices that match a style guide. That way, the chosen artwork will achieve a sense of unity. The themes provided could also make it into the future as a long lasting definition of openSUSE's artwork. If these themes were to be placed together we get something like this: 1. Simplicity 2. Clarity 3. Impact/Memorable 4. Unity Other thoughts included the idea of being new and contemporary, which can be achieved easily by following the guidelines above. Keep in mind also that there are things that simply escape the arm of our artwork. A designer we tend to push the envelope into areas that likely are not achievable on software. Let's keep this in mind. Please now, if you can, define these concepts in your own words. That way we can get more understanding from each person about these design themes. Simplicity can mean many things for different people, so the more we acquire a strong concept of these themes, the easier it will get for selection. PS: Stay tuned for next week for our wallpaper contest. Thank you Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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