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[opensuse-project] openFATE feature 306967, KDE default
by Michael Loeffler 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

There are pretty many pros and cons and even more people with their opinion about the feature [1]I'd like to summarize what has been said in the discussion in the feature itself and during this week's openSUSE project meeting. Unfortunately the only sure thing is whatever decision is taken - it will be wrong for some. This is why, at this time, we have no default - because openSUSE has strong GNOME and KDE implementations, we offer them side-by-side as equals. And we made 2 years ago on opensuse-project the decision that we stay with "no default" desktop. So what do we have so far? - a feature request [1] from one of the KDE e.V. board members - the feature asks to make KDE default. Reason for that, is to make openSUSE more simple for newbies and to make openSUSE the best KDE distribution around - Through the discussion in the feature I'd translate that feature into put the radio button as default to KDE on the desktop selection screen during installation instead of today's status where everybody needs to make a choice between - the highest rated feature in openFATE [2] until today - a majority of people supporting this feature (currently approx. 90% pro, 1% neutral, 9% against) What I clearly see as pro is: - listening to our KDE community we may gain more KDE contributors. But don't forget this feature is also about making openSUSE an outstanding KDE distribution. And for that just voting for a feature is not enough. For becoming an outstanding KDE distribution we need you to contribute - we simplify the installation by one click for 2/3 of our users, according to question no. 11 in our last openSUSE survey [3] made in 11.0 time frame - the GNOME users keep status quo and need to set the radio button as before What I clearly see as con is: - our pretty active GNOME community won't be very happy about it - our strength is to support choice and two major desktops - with the CD you always get a default desktop What might stay doubtful? - Would changing a radio button really drive lots of users and contributors to us? - Would already KDE as a default make us to an outstanding KDE distribution? - Does openSUSE need a default desktop? What I suggest? Due to upcoming feature freeze for openSUSE 11.2 we have only the possibility to default the radio button to KDE. But this is IMO more a diplomatic solution which doesn't help much anybody. We should give the feature one or two more weeks to evolve and need to do the decision for openSUSE 11.2 by mid of August. Some other observations I have with respect about this feature: - inviting people through blogs, web pages, mailing lists or twitter to vote has potential to set the credibility of the voting system at risk as people not involved with openSUSE or not using openSUSE express their thoughts - the feature shows the success of opening up the openSUSE project. Few years ago decisions were made by Novell and nowadays decisions are challenged by our community. - I'm pretty happy about the way the discussion is handled (impartial, no bashing etc.) May wisdom be with us - and may we get in openSUSE the best GNOME and the best KDE desktops! Best M [1] https://features.opensuse.org/306967 [2] https://features.opensuse.org/ [3] http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/e/ec/Survey_openSUSE110.pdf -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex

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[opensuse-project] User Survey
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

One thing this KDE discussion brings up is this: It's been a long time since we've had a user survey. The previous survey can be found here: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/e/ec/Survey_openSUSE110.pdf Any suggestions to modify some of the questions, add new ones, get rid of old ones? (i.e., is it relevant or not to ask "why do you use a dual-boot system"?) Please get me suggestions by end of next week (August 7) Typically we do these infrequently after releases, but I think we should probably be doing them at least every 12 months, which means we're soon overdue. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Add VBoxGuestAdditions.iso to non-free
by Michal Seben 31 Jul '09

31 Jul '09

Hi all! I got a request (bnc#525570) to add VirtualBox Additions iso to our distro, but it is not OSI compatible, so would be possible to include package with this iso in to non-free repo ? This iso is useful for windows,linux, solaris, os/2 vbox guests, and improve integration with host (mouse capture improvements,screen resolution enhancement, shared folder) Currently you could use virtualbox menu to download it directly to ~/.VirtualBox folder last iso is available on http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.2/ puel license which allow distribute unmodified iso http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL if you need more info just ask thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Ready to Rumble: openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 4 Released
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 27 Jul '09

27 Jul '09

Looking for some summer fun? Try the latest milestone release for openSUSE 11.2! Milestone 4 is hot off the openSUSE Build Service and ready for your testing pleasure.This release includes updates to KDE, GNOME, NetworkManager, Samba, YaST, and many other updated packages. This is a Milestone Release, one of several that lead up to the 11.2 final release in November. It may not be suitable for production systems, but is ready for contributors who want to help with testing and development for 11.2. Changes Since openSUSE 11.2 Milestone 3 ======================================= Lots of changes since the M3 release! The live CDs can now be deployed using USB sticks -- which is particularly important for netbook computers without CD or DVD drives. The live CDs now contain mc, and the KDE live CDs include YaKuake. And YaST has a new Qt-based Control Center. Other updates and changes: * Linux kernel 2.6.30.2 * CUPS 1.3.10 * NetworkManager 0.7.1 * Samba 3.4.0 * Firefox 3.5 * KDE 4.3 RC1 * Qt 4.5.2 * Qt Creator 1.2 * Seamonkey 2.0a3 * VirtualBox 3.0 beta 2 A more complete list can be found on the wiki[1] and an updated list of Factory packages can be found on DistroWatch[2]. 11.2 is looking fantastic. Want screenshots? We've got 'em! Check out the shots here[3], and/or add your own. Most Annoying Bugs ================== As this is a milestone release, 11.2 m4 does contain a few bugs that we know about, but should not stand between courageous contributors and release testing. The big bugs in 11.2 M4 are: * Bug #525243:[4] Booting the live CDs in VirtualBox, you'll get 800x600 resolution at start, no matter what was selected at boot. * Bug #522025:[5] X does not display properly in VirtualBox initially. This can be worked around by switching to a virtual console (Ctrl+F1) and then switching back to X (Ctrl+F7). * Bug #525094:[6] Some packages are missing from KDE live CDs, including plasma-addons and OpenOffice_org-kde4. * Bug #496505:[7] Live-CDs will not boot from USB if system has a CD-ROM drive. * Bug #515529:[8] During installation, an empty error box is shown during the bootloader config, but it does install properly. You can track the Most Annoying Bugs on the wiki[9] along with 11.2 development. Testing! Testing! Testing! ========================== As you can see, 11.2 M4 does have a few annoying bugs that we know about -- but there may be more lurking somewhere in the release that haven't been found yet. If you want to make sure 11.2 final is free of Most Annoying Bugs, we'll need your help finding, reporting, and fixing those hidden bugs. Holger Sickenberg has put out a call for testing team members. If you're interested in doing some heavy testing on openSUSE, check out Holger's announcement[10]. Get Milestone 4 Today! ====================== What are you waiting for? Grab the milestone release today! Downloads are available at software.opensuse.org/developer/[11] now. [1]: http://en.opensuse.org/Factory/News [2]: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse [3]: http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots/11.2_Milestones [4]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525243 [5]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522025 [6]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=525094 [7]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=496505 [8]: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515529 [9]: http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.2_dev [10]: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/07/24/call-for-opensuse-core-test-team/ [11]: http://software.opensuse.org/developer/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager http://zonker.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Release Date Suggestion for 11.3
by Karl Fischer 22 Jul '09

22 Jul '09

Hi there, I don't know whether this has been raised before, I would like to know whether it could be possible to release 11.3 in the middle of September 2010, As most of you know Software Freedom Day is in September, and having a fresh distro available at that time is usually a good idea, to introduce, people to Linux, I tried to see when some conferences and events take place, Most of them occur in the 2nd and 4th quarter of the year, I know that to adjust a release cycle is a big thing, and requires lots of people to working together. Just an idea Karl -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- | Karl Fischer | www : fischer.org.za | jid: kmf(a)floss.pro | http://floss.pro/kmf ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 deadlines ahead
by Stephan Kulow 21 Jul '09

21 Jul '09

Hi, As many may not read opensuse-factory carefully enough, I would like to post a little reminder on the roadmap: - Milestone4 will be released this week, or if impossible due to hackweek next week. - July 31st is end of alpha phase, there is a feature and version freeze for the base system. Meaning basically that we will have the major version of kernel, Xorg, KDE and GNOME ready to go into the beta phase. Patchlevel updates of these are different story. - August 6th I intend to do a Milestone5 release, this will be the release that every developer can verify his features against. With it being done, everything that can break things that are on the DVD (and that's a lot) is feature and version frozen. Note that even though it defines feature freeze, it is not yet a beta. It will be the worst milestone traditionally and as I said it's main purpose is to give developers something to fix their specific feature against and to give us the room to define string freeze not with the completion of the code. - Milestone6 will be released on August 20 and this should have then also include the most recent version of _all_ packages and the implementation of _all_ features. This would then also include string freeze after the features were reviewed and the texts proofread. - Milestone7 will then integrate the first translations and we can verify the features localized. - Milestone8 will be october 1st - after the openSUE conference and it should be nearly complete already, because - Friday October 9th will be the RC1 checkin deadline. With that we go into one month of testing unchanged code. This is something that was wanted from many after 11.1 changed too many things short before release. So everything after we hopefully can release as online update for the RC1 installations and factory NET and LIVE isos will continue to be released for testing installations. http://www.suse.de/~coolo/opensuse_11.2/ is the graphical version in case you want to look it up. If something is unclear, let me know. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] mod_python service for opensuse-community.org
by Wolfgang Rosenauer 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

Hi, that is basically adressed to opensuse-community.org admins. I'm planning to provide a custom extension for Firefox to provide an openSUSE owned plugin finder service. The current implementation needs a mod_python enabled Apache server to work. People were suggesting that opensuse-community.org could probably host the service as my own private web space is probably not the right thing to do. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-06/msg00454.html Any opinions, comments or proposals? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: [opensuse-gnome] GNOME Team Meeting next Thursday
by Stephen Shaw 20 Jul '09

20 Jul '09

>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Luis Medinas <lmedinas(a)gmail.com> >Date: Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:23 PM >Subject: [opensuse-gnome] GNOME Team Meeting next Thursday >To: opensuse-gnome(a)opensuse.org > > >Hi > >The GNOME Team will take a IRC (#opensuse-gnome @ irc.freenode.net) >meeting next Thursday, 23th 17h UTC. >So this is a good start to get involved with the Team and discuss plans >for the future. >Topics: >* GNOME repositories on BuildService Status. >* GNOME 3.0 Status >* OpenSUSE 11.2 Features >* Bugs >* Q/A > >Luis > Hope this is of interest to many :) Cheers, Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Register Today for the openSUSE Conference!
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

The openSUSE Conference schedule[1] is up and registration[2] is open! Attending the openSUSE Conference is free, but registration is required. Lunch will be provided, so please be sure to sign up[2] early so we can get an accurate headcount. The openSUSE Conference is for anyone and everyone making a contribution to openSUSE. Whether you’re a developer, packager, translator, artist, or ambassador, you belong at the openSUSE Conference if you want to help promote, improve, and influence the openSUSE Project. The conference will have two daily tracks of pre-planned talks, plus "BarCamp[3]" style tracks for attendees to plan and provide their own content. Scheduled talks include: * OBS and Cross-Platform Packaging: Peter Linnell * Git in the Build Service: Andreas Gruenbacher * openSUSE & Moblin: Michael Meeks * Building Commercial Grade Appliances with SUSE Studio: Marcus Moeller The openSUSE KDE team will be holding a full program of contributor workshops and sprints during the openSUSE Conference. We'll also be celebrating Software Freedom Day on Saturday, September 19th with Open Day -- a full day of introductory sessions for users new to Linux, open source, and openSUSE. Conference Details: =================== * Dates: 17 September through 20 September. * Location: Tagungszentrum BFW Nürnberg, Nürnberg, Germany. * Cost: Free to attend. * Dress code: None, but clothes are mandatory. More to come! Keynotes will be announced shortly. Keep watching News.opensuse.org[4] and the opensuse-announce mailing list for further updates on the openSUSE Conference[5]. Don't forget, sign up today[2] and we'll see you in September! [1]: http://conference.opensuse.org/schedule/ [2]: http://conference.opensuse.org/registration/ [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp [4]: http://news.opensuse.org/ [5]: http://conference.opensuse.org/ -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] RE: Collection and Storage of PC Profiles on Novell Server - What do we do with the Data that Sits there in light of Compatibility Issues with Software Releases?
by alpha096＠virginbroadband.com.au 15 Jul '09

15 Jul '09

During any Typical KDE Installation, after the Internet Connectivity is established, a contact with a "Novell Server" and then the users First update Server Repositories is created. With the first time connection to "The Novell Server", a Hardware Profile of the PC is sent by default. If the user has a Retail version of OpenSuse, the optional Registration code is also sent, which auto updates the users Novell Profile which has a list of Novell Registered Programs, Support/Training Sessions attended, preferences for Novell Magazines etc. etc.. My query related to only the default Hardware Profile that is sent to the 'Novell Servers" before the first allocation of an update Repository. A Gnome installation is different in that a smolt program is installed and the Hardware collection details are different and the information is held on smolt.org We must have access to thousands of users Hardware Profile Information, and more importantly, specific information on Video Cards, Processors, Chipset, Sound Cards, NIC's and other bus connected devices. With so much information available, do we use this information to consider Compatibility Issues. We should know in advance everything related to Video Cards trends, NIC trends, Sound trends, Blu-tooth, etc.. etc.. etc.. Do we use this information to help us develop new releases of software where a compatibility issue may arise in the future as we make changes to product? What is done with the data, and do we know where in Novell, It resides? I would think this information would be a huge tool in helping combat compatibility issues as we should know what hardware out there people are using our software on. The implication to Video ATI / Nvida Build Services for 1, would be invaluable, let alone the whole products development. Thanks Scott - Sorry for the Long message, but I cannot put this in 1 Paragraph ;-)

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