March 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Google Summer of Code 2009 - Ideas and Help
by Sukhbir Singh 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

Hello, This is in regard to Google Summer of Code 2009. I have some ideas regarding Monsoon - the BitTorrent client presented in openSUSE. My idea can dramtically enhance file sharing speeds and reduce time. I have written a paper on the subject and it is pending review. I would love to see my idea implemented in openSUSE. If it seems, fit either I can make a completely new *solid* BitTorrent client or integrate my idea in Monsoon itself. The idea is completely original and has not been implemented anywhere. If this is the wrong mailing list, please let me know. If I am at the right place, and anyone can be a mentor, I am fully willing to discuss my idea. I promise, it is good and interesting. Regards Sukhbir Singh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Why is this Ubuntu?
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

I believe that openSUSE would have been just as good a fit on a netbook as this: http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=1221&tag=nl.e539 I think the reason things like this keep going Ubuntu is not that Ubuntu is better but that LTS makes Ubuntu more usable and more re-installable because its less update intensive. openSUSE 10.3 , A very likable and usable version takes almost 2 gb of updates to get to it's best. if all these updates had been rolled into a 10.3 LTS ISO it could have taken HP's breath away! It's our duty to find a way to keep the libre\free version of SUSE as close to enterprise as possible without stealing it's thunder. We have to find a blend of reliability and pioneering edge. SLED moves to slow for personal usage yet, IMHO , openSUSE seems to move to fast. -- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Why is this Ubuntu?
by Stephan Kulow 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

On Sunday 15 March 2009 14:10:13 Martin Schlander wrote: > > This discussion started when someone said that openSUSE is what we make of > it, but both 10.1 and 11.1 show that at least every 4th openSUSE release > (the x.1s) are very much so at the mercy of structures, planning and > decisions made by some invisible hand that I usally refer to as "Novell". I > think it's difficult to grow when every 4th release automatically sucks. It would of course help if fixing bugs wouldn't automatically be the task of "Novell". And what you say is wrong: openSUSE and SLE had feature freeze on the very same day. But e.g. SLE had more time to test and fix strings and translations and it showed - we wouldn't have changed that many strings (that were arguably very often broken or not translatable) without SLE. 11.1 wasn't automatically doomed because of SLE though, it had more to do with the short release cycle, the general fact that Novell developers were busy with features (and very often these features had no influence on the quality of openSUSE), the change to build within the build service and to a small part too the fact that we had a break in managing openSUSE releases due to several people being responsible over the course of 11.1. That surely didn't help either. But again, I think the biggest seed of growth of openSUSE are people from outside wanting to drive things - not just vote for a feature someone else has to do. It works pretty well e.g. with translations where I see a huge responsibility people take - and taking regressions as personal offense. There "Novell" has a very weak position and this is what it should be like I think :) There are many other examples (your oxygen icon set comes to my mind), but we're not there yet not to rely on "Novell" - and so Novell's products will have an impact - if they are on the same code base as openSUSE releases or not. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 11.2 schedule
by Michael Loeffler 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

Moin, openSUSE 11.1 is almost out of the door and we (coolo, aj, zonker and myself) had some discussion about the release date for openSUSE 11.2. First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well - both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most current OpenOffice and KDE in thhis would even have one additional upside. It probably would be just in front of our openSUSE conference. So the conference could be used for very a focused openSUSE 11.3 planning. But it has its downside as well. Finalization of the release would happen during the summer holiday season. To address this we we added one Beta to stretch the development time a bit. Here's what we're talking about: 2009-02-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 2009-03-05 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 1 2009-04-02 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 2 2009-04-30 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 3 2009-05-28 openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 4 2009-06-25 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 1 2009-07-09 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 2 2009-07-24 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 3 2009-08-06 openSUSE 11.2 Beta 4 2009-08-20 openSUSE 11.2 RC1 2009-09-03 openSUSE 11.2 GM 2009-09-10 openSUSE 11.2 Public Release Events to consider March 3-8 CeBIT March 8-13 BrainShare June 24-27 LinuxTag June 3-11 Akademy/Guadec Sept openSUSE conference (mid of sept) Sept Plumbers conference (around Sept 20-25) Let us know what you're thinking about this. Best M -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Roadmap
by Stephan Kulow 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Hi, As you may have noticed, we have yet to publish a roadmap for 11.2. The reason is simple: There are a lot of moving pieces at the moment, and we don't want to commit to a schedule we can't keep -- or keep a schedule that doesn't fit the project's long-term needs. To give us something to plan around, we would like to propose a fixed release schedule. As a six-month release schedule is not something we consider feasible to maintain high-quality standards, we are proposing a fixed eight- month schedule. We have spent a considerable amount of time asking if we should go with a September release for 11.2 and then adopt an eight-month release schedule, or begin with an eight-month release schedule right away. And we came to the conclusion that it's best to adopt the eight-month schedule right away. A six-month release cycle is interesting because you "only" have to find two months in the year for a release. Eight months makes it slightly more complicated, as you have a rotating schedule, and lose a month in the summer and winter for holidays. So, what we're proposing is this -- the next openSUSE release in November 2009, with the next releases in July 2010, March 2011, and so forth: November 2009: "Fichte" 11.2 July 2010: "Rousseau" 11.3 March 2011: "Voltaire" 12.0 November 2011: "Lessing" 12.1 This gives us a single release in 2009 and 2010, and two releases in 2011. The version names and numbers may change, of course. Public releases would happen on the Thursday before the 15th of the month, and the gold master (GM) would be finalized one week prior to that. We are planning a strict four-week release candidate (RC) phase. This means that the last chance to change _anything_ but really urgent fixes would be the check-in deadline of RC1, which would be released in week 41 in 2009. The schedule would leave us with whatever software we have at that point. For example, we'll miss KDE 4.5 for 11.3 or the spring version of GNOME for 12.0. If missing these releases is a problem, let's discuss this _now_. Of course, this doesn't mean we can't publish supported or unsupported addons or updated live CDs with the respective desktops or similar software: We just need people willing to do it. Why such a late release date? Releasing 11.2 in November has some advantages over releasing in September: - We don't rely on contributions during the summer months that much. - We can easily integrate GNOME 2.28. - We are more likely to have working drivers for hardware released in early summer is higher. (This is a weak advantage since the summer release of Intel's graphic chips didn't work out with a December release either.) - We simply have more time for everything. The features we have in mind for 11.2 center around these top features: * Newer and better software, including: - KDE 4.3 - GNOME 2.28, - Linux kernel 2.6.30 or higher * Ext4 - possibly even as the default filesystem. * Provide YaST Web interface for easier remote adminstration. * Netbook support - Offer USB images - possibly even with deployment tool if someone writes it. - Include free drivers necessary for the netbook support. * Officially support live updates - we need way more people to use factory and report problems though. * Quicker, Faster and more Colourful OK, I better stop here. This is already a pretty long mail - looking forward to your feedback. The last time we discussed schedules, the feedback was very good - and got us thinking quite a long time. ;) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Michael Fox 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Hi all, recently i read that the hardest wall to linux adoption is software installation so i got to thinking how this could be improved. now on OpenSuSE new users will download an rpm (or deb) and think like on windows they have to double click on it, and ofcourse that dosn't work, so he goes looking for an app to do so and finds "install software" under computer thinks fair enough but once he opens he wonders "what the hell is this!!??" "i just want to install the file i downloaded!!!" so i propose adding an "install from file" module that ties into the current method, say just bellow search, have install from file, and when the rpm is loaded it checks its deps and searches the repos for them and adds them to be installed, then it installs the deps, then the rpm, killing 2 birds with 1 stone, deps problem and rpm usage. Now i said module as it should be able to run stand alone like 1-click-install,m so when you double click on the rpm, it will bring up an installation dialogue displaying deps installed and ones that are missing, this will make software installation a hell of alot easier Now here is the delicate part and why this mail is here. we need to have support for debs off the bat, but still be dominantly rpm as lets face it a lot of apps only provide debs and we need some way to support them as forcing a new user to compile is not nice at all and hampers the usability of Linux hence holding the person back from fully adopting Linux. So lets be the fore-bearers in destroying this brick wall :) -- Michael Fox Developer and user of Blender3d www.blender.org mfoxdogg(a)gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Update: download.opensuse.org Restored
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Good news, everybody! The download.opensuse.org and stage.opensuse.org systems are now fully restored, and all services should now be available. DNS has been changed to point to the new system from widehat, which is standing by in the event that the new system were to go down. We also have a second system that will be configured to back up download.opensuse.org and stage.opensuse.org in the near future. We apologize for any inconvenience. The openSUSE infrastructure is one of our top priorities. As mentioned previously, we will continue improving the openSUSE Project infrastructure and working to ensure that we have as little downtime as possible. Thanks much to Peter Poeml for his work over the last two days to resolve this situation, as well as Christian Schneemann, Nat Friedman and his team, and everyone else who jumped to get this fixed as quickly as possible. We appreciate the patience and words of encouragement to the openSUSE team while this was being fixed. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Piotrek Juzwiak 13 Mar '09

13 Mar '09

Piotrek Juzwiak wrote: > Michael Fox wrote: > >> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:12 -0500, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> Il giorno gio, 12/03/2009 alle 10.25 +1100, Michael Fox ha scritto: >>> >>> >>>> so i propose adding an "install from file" module that ties into the >>>> current method, say just bellow search, have install from file, and when >>>> the rpm is loaded it checks its deps and searches the repos for them and >>>> adds them to be installed, then it installs the deps, then the rpm, >>>> killing 2 birds with 1 stone, deps problem and rpm usage. >>>> >>>> >> >> >>>> Now i said module as it should be able to run stand alone like >>>> 1-click-install,m so when you double click on the rpm, it will bring up >>>> an installation dialogue displaying deps installed and ones that are >>>> missing, this will make software installation a hell of alot easier >>>> >>>> >> ok my bad, you can double click and it works :S(been a while since i >> tried as the old one never worked), but i still think an install from >> file option in yast2 is still needed >> >> >> >> >>>> Now here is the delicate part and why this mail is here. we need to have >>>> support for debs off the bat, but still be dominantly rpm >>>> as lets face it a lot of apps only provide debs and we need some way to >>>> support them as forcing a new user to compile is not nice at all and >>>> hampers the usability of Linux hence holding the person back from fully >>>> adopting Linux. >>>> >>>> >> I still believe this is a major issue with linux adoption, especially >> openSuSE adoption since we are predominatly rpm based and most other >> distros are using debs >> >> > Regarding the .deb files, making it easier to install might create a > chaos. One example, package for the same application in debian/ubuntu > was built against python2.5 etc. and Ubuntu doesn't have (i might be > wrong) the ability to install 32 bit packages along 64 bit ones. For > example where in openSUSE we have /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib in 64 bit > Ubuntu it is just /usr/lib. So we would have to address this problem but > until Ubuntu/Debian is bilt against the same packages then it's only an > opportunity to create BUG hell. > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] yast improvments proposal
by Alberto Passalacqua 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Il giorno gio, 12/03/2009 alle 19.39 +0530, Amitav Mohanty ha scritto: > I suggest we make a click or some key + click or double click on an rpm > to call rpm -i command. That's already there. But it does not fix dependencies in any way. Regards, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] 64 bit kernel in both version of openSUSE 11.2
by Piotrek Juzwiak 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Amitav Mohanty wrote: > I would like to help you in this. I would like a little more elaboration > from you on this. > > Regards > Amitav > > Piotrek Juzwiak wrote: > >> Are there any chances in using a 64 bit kernel for both 32 and 64 bit >> editions of the upcoming openSUSE?? If not then what difficulties are >> stopping to not to do so? I was thinking it would be beneficial to >> maintain only one kernel but i don't know how much hacking would have to >> be performed to run native 32 bit applications on such kernel? >> >> Best Regards >> >> Bender >> >> > > Link fot that feature in Fedora: http://www.h-online.com/open/Fedora-project-plans-to-use-64-bit-and-PAE-ker… It basically boils down to using a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit OS. I understand there would be people having an incompatible CPUs but its a minority tight isn't it? If my memory serves me right every CPU from Intel manufactured after Pentium 3 is 64 bit capable. And since 64 bit kernel incorporates seamless 32 bit support then why not use this one since PAE if i'm not wrong is a problem for developers since it's some sort of a dirty hack :)?? Best -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] 64 bit kernel in both version of openSUSE 11.2
by Piotrek Juzwiak 12 Mar '09

12 Mar '09

Are there any chances in using a 64 bit kernel for both 32 and 64 bit editions of the upcoming openSUSE?? If not then what difficulties are stopping to not to do so? I was thinking it would be beneficial to maintain only one kernel but i don't know how much hacking would have to be performed to run native 32 bit applications on such kernel? Best Regards Bender -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Drivers packaging and OBS repositories
by sda 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

----- Forwarded message from sda <dmitry.serpokryl(a)gmail.com> ----- hi, i've got a simple suggestion how to improve the quality of openSUSE distribition in general: let's create a single "Drivers" project, link there all "SUBJ-kmp-*" packages lying around and add an "UPDATE" OBS repos for all supported versions (10.3-11.0-11.1 currently) to that "Drivers" project along with the standard ones. a User then will be sure that the next kernel update won't break the currently working system. it'd be really great if ATI/NVIDIA drivers also stick to that simple rule. right now for example the maintainers of an "AUDIO" project: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio:/KMP/ are very kind (huge thanks!) to provide "openSUSE_10.3_Update", "openSUSE_11.0_Update" and "openSUSE_11.1_Update" packages, but it's a bit tricky to understand that: 1) "alsa-kmp-default" can really help if you've got sound issues (which is true here with all modern notebooks i have seen so far) 2) to find this package among others. we have a great places to begin with: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/drivers:/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/driver:/ even there not all "branches" have an "Update repo" option (look at reiser4 for example and others as well). and my idea goes a bit further. for example we have a great "atl1e" package (which is a must for eeepc1000h) and no doubt that hell of a lot of other drivers (including mentioned ATI/NVIDIA) which are not valid for updated kernels. why not to improve the case? thank you for your attention. regards, sda P.S. <Offtopic> another note. Ubuntu for example distribute the hybrid "Broadcom" driver which is really great for a lot of Users (wl.ko): http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php why can't we do the same? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder for news.o.o Calendar
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Hello Mates, actually i'm imported the Calendar from news.o.o. But is it possible to add an autmomatic Reminder (eg 15 Minutes before Meeting)? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com DISCLAIMER: Please note that in accordance with the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de http://www.ccc.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Update on openSUSE Infrastructure Services (download.opensuse.org)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

We've restored user services to download.opensuse.org and are working to restore all services and add redundancy to the system. The repository inconsistencies last night were caused by a missing configuration on the system, which caused it to redirect requests on metadata to mirrors, which are often outdated. That is now fixed. A few services have not been restored yet. Specifically, Publishing new Factory snapshots is disabled right now, and build server publishing is stopped. These services will be restored when the new system is fully integrated - which we expect to happen by tomorrow. We are copying content to the new system now, which will take about 12 hours. This will also add mirror stage serving to the services offered by download.opensuse.org. When the restore is complete, we will also add redundancy, so the problem of having a backup will be solved. In addition, we're re-examining the openSUSE.org infrastructure to ensure that we reduce the risk of overall and unscheduled downtime. This will be an ongoing process, and we will notify the community of progress here. Thanks for your patience while these issues are taken care of. Thanks to Peter Poeml, Christian Schneemann, Nat Friedman and his team, and everyone else who jumped to get this fixed as quickly as possible. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Home Server...possible?
by Alberto Passalacqua 11 Mar '09

11 Mar '09

Browsing the net I found this: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/featu… Would it be possible to build something similar with openSUSE? In particular, are there backup solutions that allow to backup other PC's automatically with a Windows client too, in a user-friendly manner? The media sharing doesn't seem a problem. Thanks, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Spokesperson Roadmap
by Sascha 'saigkill' Manns 10 Mar '09

10 Mar '09

Hello Mates, few weeks ago, the voting for a Name for the "Spokesperson" is over. The voting goes to "Ambrassador". But what is planned now? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Project-Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill Private-Blog: http://saschasbacktrace.blogspot.com DISCLAIMER: Please note that in accordance with the German law on data retention, information on every electronic information exchange with me is retained for a period of six months. http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de http://www.ccc.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Geeko wants you! idea
by Alberto Passalacqua 09 Mar '09

09 Mar '09

Hi, as anticipated elsewhere I'm putting together a wiki page to collect information on where help and contributions are needed in openSUSE. The basic idea is to create a SINGLE page on the wiki where: * users can find information on where their help is more needed, and links to other pages where they can find more details on how to start working on a certain task. * developers and long term contributors can insert their needs in terms of people necessary to do something. In other words it is a sort of page to recruit volunteers, so that they don't get lost in the wiki and on mailing-lists. Ideally, when this page is ready, it should be linked in very visible places, like news.o.o and in some part of the wiki home page (a blinking neon light on it would help ;)), so that it can be easily found. Of course all suggestions to improve the idea, and all comments are welcome. Currently the page is here: http://en.opensuse.org/Geeko_wants_you! and it looks quite desert, because I just started to put it together. I will add more stuff soon, but for the areas where help is needed, I need your help! Regards, Alberto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: Rolling release repository for some upstream projects
by Daniel Mader 09 Mar '09

09 Mar '09

Hi, this has been discussed recently already ---and still is, I believe---, but in the light of the recent announcement, that openSUSE 11.2 is not exactly around next corner, the issue should be given more attention, I think. * Problem: In order to bridge the long time until the next release, many of the more advanced users are trying to find a way in order to enhance their KDE4 experience on 11.1. And let's be honest: No one in his right mind would prefer 4.1.3 over 4.2.1 if given the choice. Same goes for Gnome and XFCE I suspect, but I am not into those. * Workaround: So, the question would be how the openSUSE project will give those a home who look for stability (as in "works reliably", not "doesn't change version number") *and* improved features. * Current "solution": Installing KDE4 from factory is not exactly an option for productive systems (even at home), since it is used for the development of upcoming releases. Packages change too often, and small features working today break tomorrow. * Better solution: Thus, instead of providing a better (i.e. more useable and reliable) factory release, I'd vote for a new, prominently placed repository which simply provides packaged versions of certain upstream projects: KDE4, Gnome and XFCE should definitely be enough in order to cover 95% of the users. * Objections, criticisms: There should be no extra work spent with patching, since those repos would contain pretty much plain vanilla upstream plus the usual branding. Also, given e.g. KDE and Gnome release cycles, the packaging/updating of the repo should happen only once every month, at the most. Announcements for such updates should appear in news.opensuse.org, which would surely increase the attention paid to that site, too. * Comparison with competing projects/distributions: This service is not so outstanding as it may sound: both Fedora and Mandriva (semi-)officially provide updated packages for KDE 4.2 even when they initially delivered 4.1.x, while openSUSE 11.x only offers updates from Factory, which I would never propose here in my office and lab environment, other than for myself. * Impact on user base and reputation: So, I feel that this would greatly improve our community orientation and would meet the wishes and requirements of a very important and big part of the openSUSE users, namely early adopters and the curious ones. Hobbyists, quite simple. The rest is using Windows and MacOS, anyway, or enterprise versions. Providing an easy-to-find rolling-release repository and package the upstream major and important minor releases for at least the most important desktop environments shouldn't be impossible. If it is, we really have a bad packaging concept... http://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague/Way_we_do_packaging_is_ineffect… Sorry in advance for this long email. My excuse is that it just shows how much I think that this is important and vital for keeping and growing our user base. Best regards from Freiburg, Daniel Mader -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Original Contributions
by Kevin Dupuy 08 Mar '09

08 Mar '09

This is a hastily-written and underthought idea, but team idea came when I was reading Coolo's letter on the proposed schedule. I, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, would like to see more features and apps developed here at openSUSE. It would be awesome to be able to read the 11.2 feature tour and read about some new innovative stuff that we've developed. In openSUSE 10.2 and 10.3, there were several original features developed, however much of those actually came out of SLED. Since then, we've mainly been implementing upstream. Nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice to do some more innovation. So here's my idea: push users to talk about features they want to see, and add them somewhere (The GNOME Team has an Idea page, how about KDE?); go through those pages, add the good ideas to openFATE, and interested developers can start working on them. As I said, this was a quick idea, so let's hear everyone's comments and suggestions :-) -- Sent from Kevin Yeaux's mobile device. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Gearing Up for Google Summer of Code
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 07 Mar '09

07 Mar '09

The openSUSE Project is looking for a few good mentors for the Google Summer of Code[1] 2009! The openSUSE Project was a mentoring organization last year, and we're hoping to participate again in 2009. Organization signup starts next week[2], and prospective mentors can sign up next week as well. Signup starts March 9th[3] at 19:00 UTC/12:00 PST and ends March 13th at 19:00 UTC/12:00 PST. Accepted organizations will be announced on March 18th, and there's a week (March 18 through 23) for organizations and students to meet and discuss. The student application period begins March 23rd, and ends April 3rd. All of the dates are on the Google SoC FAQ and we'll be sending out announcements as each of the important dates approach. Right now, we're gathering ideas for the Summer of Code on the openSUSE wiki[4]. (Thanks to Lukas Ocilka, Stanislav Visnovsky, and Jiri Srain[5] for starting this!) Feel free to add your own ideas or help revise the existing ideas. Also, if you're interested in helping out, please add your name[6] to the openSUSE GSoC '09 page. In addition to mentors (and students...) we'll need help finding mentors, reviewing GSoC applications, facilitating communication during GSoC, and so forth. (Again, see the wiki!) If you have questions about openSUSE and GSoC, ask on the opensuse-project list. [1]: http://code.google.com/soc/ [2]: http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgha8l [3]: http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Important_dates [4]: http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Ideas [5]: http://preview.tinyurl.com/dx4qe9 [6]: http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2009#Organization -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Questions about the Trademark Guidelines for openSUSE
by Lars Vogdt 06 Mar '09

06 Mar '09

Dear openSUSE-Project, dear "Contact Information" (permission(a)novell.com) With the release of the first openSUSE Trademark Guidelines [1], we see the big advantage to get the problem around the covered topics addressed. Thank you very much! We, the openSUSE-Education project, are a small community driven project aiming to optimize openSUSE for use at universities and schools as well as for education usage by schoolers or students. We've created "Add-on" Medias containing additional applications for already released openSUSE distributions. We've also created some manuals and HowTos (in the openSUSE-Wiki[2] and as PDF[3]) describing how to add the Add-on Media to an installed openSUSE distribution and use the additional software. Our repository is hosted by a server available under the URL www.opensuse-education.org. Regarding to your Trademark Guidelines, we've the following (permission) questions: 1) Are we allowed to use the Name "openSUSE-Education" as Project name? Note: our Add-on Media is called "openSUSE-Education 1.0 for openSUSE $version" 2) Are we allowed to use the domain opensuse-education.org ? Note: the homepage already contains a pointer that we're a community driven project. 3) Are we allowed to use any openSUSE Logos|Mark on our project homepage and documentation/presentations? 5) Are we allowed to use a modified form of the openSUSE-Logo ? Currently, we've * a small Gecko with a doctoral cap on his head [4] * a full Gecko with this head and the "logotype" openSUSE-Education 6) Are we allowed to use our current CD-Cover for the Add-on Media as it contains some "openSUSE" words in it? 7) Is it this right: we can create an installable openSUSE Media containing our own addtiional applications - but we have to remove all openSUSE Marks from it. ? Looking forward to your reply. With kind regards, Lars (on behalf of the openSUSE-Education Team) -- [1]: http://news.opensuse.org/2009/03/02/opensuse-trademark-guidelines-released/ [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Education [3]: http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/repos/ [4]: http://www.opensuse-education.org/themes/OSS-Edu/images/opensuse-education.… [5]: http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/1/1f/Edu-suse_cd.png -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Project Meeting March 11, 2009 at 17:00 UTC
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

The next openSUSE Project meeting will be Wednesday, March 11th, at 17:00 UTC on Freenode. Again that's: 2009-03-11 17:00 UTC See all the timezones here: http://is.gd/lZgv. This is going to be a fairly substantial meeting, so if you can attend please do so! We'll be discussin the latest developments in and around openSUSE. Please add your topics to the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2009-03-11 Please add topics as soon as possible. Also, if you have questions for the meeting, but can't attend (we know that the meeting times can't work for everyone) please add them to the agenda as well. For more on IRC meetings, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About As always, we meet in #opensuse-project on Freenode. Fire up your favorite IRC client and head over to #opensuse-project. Not familiar with IRC? A good overview can be found at http://www.irchelp.org/. This site is not affiliated with openSUSE. For more information on Freenode, see http://freenode.net/. Please spread the word! Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage, March 14/15
by Michael Loeffler 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

[english version below] Moin, die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage [1] finden am 14./15. März an der TU in Chemnitz statt und das openSUSE Projekt ist wieder mit dabei. Wir haben einen Stand [2] und werden Samstag 15 Uhr Interessantes zum Projekt präsentieren [3]. Am Stand selbst gibt's natürlich Wissenswertes um das Projekt, die Distribution und den openSUSE Build Service. Wir hoffen viele Menschen aus der Community zu treffen und freuen uns, wenn wir noch Unterstützung am Stand bekommen. Wer Interesse hat, bitte [4] hier eintragen. Gruß Michael [1] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/info/index.html [2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/live/plan.html [3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/vortraege/plan.html [4] http://de.opensuse.org/ChemnitzerLinux-Tage Moin, the openSUSE project will be present at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage [1] with a booth [2] and one presentation [3] about the project on Saturday March 14, 3pm. At the booth you'll meet some openSUSE people showing you the latest stuff around the distribution, the project and the openSUSE Build Service. We hope to see many community people and having good conversation. Anybody wants to help at the booth? That would be very much appreciated. Please go to [4] to let us know who you are and when you're available. Best Michael [1] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/info/index_en.html [2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/live/plan_en.html [3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/vortraege/plan_en.html [4] http://en.opensuse.org/ChemnitzerLinux-Tage -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Proposal for a community based testing team
by Alberto Passalacqua 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

Hello, I have thought for quite some time to the idea of building a community-based openSUSE testing team, and this seems to be the right time to discuss of it. The main idea is to create a group of stable testers to deeply test openSUSE functionalities on their machines, in order to catch annoying bugs earlier in the development stages, allowing the fixes to be done and tested again in a more timely and less rushed manner. It won't be easy, we need motivated volunteers and we have a lot to learn to do it the right way, but I think it is worth the effort, if we want to keep faith to the guiding principles, which states openSUSE aims to be "the most usable Linux distribution" (and not the most cutting edge one!). I summed up the motivations, a short problem analysis about the current status quo, and some proposal of solution in the attached slides so you can comment them (thanks suseROCKs for the slide template). All suggestions (and volunteers) are more than welcome, as well as some help from Novell people currently involved in testing/quality assurance. As I said we need to learn. ;-) With kind regards, Alberto

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[opensuse-project] Apache2 changed?
by James Tremblay aka SLEducator 05 Mar '09

05 Mar '09

Hey guys I was wondering, is it a bug or just the way it is that when we ask YaST to install AMP we no longer get the "It Works" page? Maybe we should think about a default "Welcome to openSUSE's implimentation of Apache2" page -- James Tremblay openSIS Product Specialist http://www.os4ed.com mail james "AT" os4ed.com CNE 3,4,5 MCSE w2k CLE in training Registered Linux user #440182 http://en.opensuse.org/education -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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