August 2009 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] openSUSE DE based DVD Images & Drop Live-CDs
by Sankar P 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hi, I recently started doing a lot of mark-all-as-read in the opensuse-project mailing list due to the sheer volume. So this may be asked by someone and answered, already. If so, Please excuse me and point me to the right URL of the archive. I will just read from there. Google and GMail search didnt help in locating this myself. A lot has been discussed about the default desktop in the installation media. But why not have DVD images of the entire applications that relate to a single desktop. Kernel, X, OpenOffice, Firefox etc. will remain common. For a pure GNOME/KDE user, LiveCD will not be sufficient with all the packages and [s]he may need other Desktop applications as well. (No more fights between pidgin/empathy/xchat ? monsoon/transmission ? give both). In this way, in the http://software.opensuse.org page, you just have to add a row: GNOME/KDE/BOTH . choosing BOTH will download an image that when installed will pre-select KDE (as per the previous decision). One thing I could see is, it will increase the workload for maintaining, LIVE-CD, Full-DVD, Desktop-DVD. If the download statistics of live-cd are comparably low, we can just ignore it and maintain only DVD images of Live-Desktop-editions. If a person really wants to try Linux and [s]he is ready to download a live-cd, I dont think [s]he will hesitate to download a live-dvd image as well. Any other drawbacks in this ? -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ML creation to discuss and form a openSUSE group
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Hello, I wish to avoid cluttering the openSUSE ML's. So I have created this email list to discuss and form this group. http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensuse-group We will post back in RFC to the opensuse-project ML. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Reminder: openSUSE Project Meeting Wednesday August 26, 2009 at 16:00 UTC
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

The next openSUSE Project meeting will take place today (Wednesday August 26) at 16:00 UTC. See all time zones on the Fixed Time World Clock[1]. As always, the meeting will be held in IRC on the #opensuse-project channel on Freenode. Please add your topics to the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2009-08-26 Please add topics as soon as possible. Also, if you have questions for the meeting, but can't attend (we know that the meeting times can't work for everyone) please add them to the agenda as well. For more on IRC meetings, see: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About. As always, we meet in #opensuse-project on Freenode. Fire up your favorite IRC client and head over to #opensuse-project. Not familiar with IRC? A good overview can be found at irchelp.org. This site is not affiliated with openSUSE. For more information on Freenode, see http://freenode.net/. Wondering what meeting times are? Check the openSUSE Meetings page[2]. All project meetings and team meetings should be listed there. [1]: http://is.gd/2wstW [2]: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Visible archive for the lists so no subscription is necessary except to reply.
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 24 Aug '09

24 Aug '09

Here is the archive for the openSLE ML. http://lists.zenez.com/pipermail/opensle/ and for the opensuse-group ML http://lists.zenez.com/pipermail/opensuse-group/ -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] ML creation for discussion of openSLES and openSUSE LTS
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hello, I have created an email list for those interested discussing and working together to create a set of guidelines and responsibities. So If you want to join this list you can goto http://lists.zenez.com/mailman/listinfo/opensle Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Creating a group of conserned Users and Novell partners/longer life time for openSUSE... (LONG POST)
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Hello, With the annoucement today. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2009-08/msg00009.html that openSUSE is on a 18 month cycle, maybe we need to form a group... The thought is that a possible out come of this group maybe an openSLE which would be like this model fedora->centos->RHEL but for SUSE -SLES openSUSE->openSLE->SLE-| -SLED This is from the end of the project meeting. I hope the boat has not sailed already and it is too late. My thoughts from what I have heard from talks with clients, IRC chats, and misc. WARNING (This is my honest view/perception and is not politically correct) 1. Many small business owners/small companies feel there is a lack of attention to their needs from Novell. That is to say Novell only listens to "Monster Enterprise Clients" Solution: We form a group that combined has equivelant $$$ behind it to warrent attention. 2. Many resent replies from Novell people (although it is just their opinion) through the various mediums treat SMB's and their staff as idiots. It comes off as if it comes from arrogant 20-something know it alls dictating what the community has to do. To quote some CEO's and COO... "The SUSE/Novell people act like a bunch arrogant 20-something ... that treat us and are staff like idiots.) SMB's have to contribute more time/money/resources to keep openSUSE going. (Why should we when we are treated like idiots)? Solution: Better communitcation. Some signs of improvement, but a strong feeling of being dictated, rather than lead" 3. They are really concerned "OpenSUSE distro is moving toward just a desktop Ubunto clone. They are ignoreing what was there bigest strength. Providing a Polished First Class Stable Server with necessary Desktop fetures." Solution: This could be solved by openSLE (A openSUSE centos like clone as refered in the above example). 4. "Tired of hearing we do this for fun, it is not my problem/responsibility, hire a programmer or become one." "Fix it yourself as it is a community distro. The community is not doing enough or is too small." What happens is or feels like the various groups that are part of the community are not fully trusted. What I see/feel/hear is that globally the openSUSE distro is moving to the bottom of the Linux Distro Heap. I am being asked to move to CentOS as it has a longer support window. "Having to update my OS every 2 years is a real pain in the butt! Now it is moving to a 18 month window. I really need to look at something else that meets my needs" Business like to stay as long as they are able to the release. "If it aint broke don't fix it!" "We really need a fall back position. What are your recommendations? Doesn't Novell realize who pays their salaries? What about Ubunto, Debian, Fedora/CentOS, or Solaris, BSDs?" Solution: Have the openSUSE->openSLE->SLES/SLED path available. At some of the event I and others I talk with have attended it is often asked "Why doesn't Novell offer an opneSLE alternitive?" People using the fedora->CentOS->RHEL talk of how many of the business they support move this route to become RHEL customers. I think we (being the SUSE prefered" really would benefit from a similar path. That is why I am trying to somehow get a group organized. So we are able to have our voice heard at the higher levels of Novell. Thanks for reading this. I propose using the Freenode IRC #opensuse-server channel and either of the lists in the CC. to further discuss this idea and form a group. Thank you, -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Unable to Install cause of too old drivers, due to long release cycles
by Lars Steen 23 Aug '09

23 Aug '09

Dear List, I had the problem that on my server computer the mainboard crashed. So I had to buy a new one and tried to use the old CPU, Memory, Grapik and Storage. As the Intel 775 Socket is widely known it was easy to find a suitable board, but the old chipset wasn't reachable. As I had to buy a new and not a used one, it was ok for me to fetch a modern chipset. But openSuSE 11,1 was unable to boot, because cdrom or storage weren't excessible( not found). This was due to the new chipset. I use SuSe for many year's as a user and not so far as an admin. That's why I was unable to solve the problem. As I had no ideas I used other distro's. All of them had the same problem, since there came a new release. After a new release I was able to boot and successfully install the other distro's. As SuSestudio was launched I hoped my dreams come through and I will be able to build just a small one for myself for installation. But it was not possible, even the new builded one's crashed. For the opensuse studio I need an "updated" Kernel & driver just to boot modern hardware. After that I will be able to come along. My intension is to give a distribution a new "Kernel & Driver" without testing and verifying the hole buch of software. The endusersoftware and features should kept untouched.So the release has the same usability/features. To get it clear: These "Kernel"-releases are only for installation issues during boot and absolutely not for any software problem. For software issues is the updater ok and does a good work (in my opinion). I am worrying about the release cycles of 8 months as very long hope you find my tip useful just to help the community to install on modern hardware. regards Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Statistics (Was Re: [opensuse-project] Decision made - openFATE feature 306967, KDE default)
by Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Bryen M Yunashko<suserocks(a)bryen.com> wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 18:56 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote: >> On Friday 21 August 2009 17:29:48 Vincent Untz wrote: >> > We do have something like this: >> > http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics >> > >> > It doesn't report anything on the "which desktop is more popular?" >> > topic, though. >> > >> Do we want that? If we agree it's important I'm sure we can put >> desktop specific updates online for the sake of counting :) >> >> Greetings, Stephan > > Frankly, even that would be misleading. I use GNOME but as a matter of > practice, I install both KDE and GNOME when I set up my machines. While > I don't use KDE, I do still get and download KDE updates whenever > available. And don't get me started on whether unique IPs is an > accurate count either, although it's probably the best metric we can > come up with. Only trust the statistics you make up yourself. ;-) Yes, it'd be misleading, but it'd be closer to reality than not, and more data than we have currently. I'd be in favor of that + implementing the Popcon feature + being a little more emphatic about collecting Smolt data. The more information we have about installed packages, etc., the better to make decisions. > I think it would be more interesting to know how many have just one DE > versus multiple DE's. Count me in there. I install multiple DE's on most machines as a matter of course. This machine has KDE 4.3 and GNOME and Xfce. My laptop for travel has KDE & GNOME. My netbook has (right now) Moblin. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project
by Roland Haidl 21 Aug '09

21 Aug '09

Hi, this is my first public message to openSUSE project, and that means first I'd like to introduce myself: My name is Roland Haidl aka rhaidl, and I started to work in SUSE nearly ten years ago. In that time I managed the SUSE documentation, usability, design etc. After Novell having bought SUSE I took over several other management task. Now, while Novell/OPS engineering adopted to a new strategy regarding openSUSE, we decided that the people, who Novell dedicated to work in the openSUSE project, come under my responsibility. For me that is awesome and something new - as it is in general. Why, since we already had Novell people working for openSUSE in the past? Well, the new thing that with this step Novell decided to intensify its openSUSE sponsorship. Now we have a group of people that is exclusively dedicated to the openSUSE project. It is not longer the "when time is left, please work in the openSUSE project" thing we often had before, we now have the singular situation to have a team of more than 10 experts in Novell to only work on openSUSE community topics. This is the Novell "openSUSE Team", and it is there to be a part of the community and make it easier for people to join in, enjoy and contribute. We (speaking as part of the Novell management) learned to trust the community, and, as a result of this, want to support the project even more. For proof let's see how the team will work. Of course the team also has reponsibilities, that is basically the openSUSE distribution and the healthy growth of the project. Both challenges will and can only be done in a strong community with YOU and I hope you appreciate the existance of the new team as much as I do. The people working in the team are all well known since they already worked a lot in the community. I leave it up to the team to introduce itself. As the lead of the team we nominated Klaas Freitag, who is an experienced manager on the one hand and a community guy on the other. Henne Vogelsang takes over the role as project manager openSUSE, and Stephan Kulow will continue to be the release manager for the next openSUSE distribution. Best, Roland -- Roland Haidl - Director Operations&Communities OPS - Novell Inc. SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-announce] Change in maintenance for openSUSE 11.2 and future versions
by Wolfgang Rosenauer 18 Aug '09

18 Aug '09

Hi, Am 14.08.2009 14:03, schrieb Michael Loeffler: > with regards to the discontinuation mail for openSUSE 10.3 [1] sent out by > Marcus the other day I'd like to clarify the changes in the maintenance period > of openSUSE. > > openSUSE will shorten the maintenance period to 2 versions plus 2 months > which translates with the current release cycle of 8 months to 18 months > instead of 24 months we had with openSUSE 11.1 and previous releases. > > With that we now can guarantee an overlap time from a maintenance perspective > which gives enough time to update machines to newer versions. I'm a bit nit picking now but anyway. "openSUSE(1) will shorten the maintenance period" That should hopefully mean: Novell is stopping its work on openSUSE 11.2 and above after 18 months. The openSUSE community can come up with contributions to expand the lifecycle of the distribution. Novell will fully handover the update process to the community after the 18 months timespan. However the currently official maintenance period is limited to the 18 months guaranteed by Novell. What about this statement? Is that something openSUSE(2) could imagine? (1) openSUSE = Novell (2) openSUSE = the community project Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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