March 2008 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Reliable unmounting of removable media"
by Kobe Young 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

I am interested in participating GSoC. I think it is problematic when we plug in a NTFS usb driver too. I have to force mount it. I just wonder if this could be part of the SoC project. We can provide users with options to mount usb driver which has error log. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] From today's openSUSE board meeting: Who can vote for the openSUSE board?
by Andreas Jaeger 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

We had tonight on the opensuse-project IRC channel a lifely discussion about the board election. The central question was who can vote for the openSUSE board. We haven't come to a real conclusion yet, see below for some of the comments that were discussed. We'd like to continue the discussion here on the mailing list and meet again in two weeks on the openSUSE-project IRC channel. I took the following notes trying to summarize the key points of the discussion: * Who can vote? - every individual can only vote once, so nobody should be allowed to fake several personalities and use them for voting Suggestion: have a public list of voters to check that nobody is listed twice. The list will be closed at a certain time. - basically three different proposals: + only members + anyone + members + non-members members vouch for (web-of-trust alike) The idea here is to have the openSUSE community vote for the openSUSE board. The members are the smallest part of the community that has been appointed by the board, a member is somebody with a continued and substantial contribution to openSUSE. Having just members excludes some parts of the community. On the other hand, it makes fraud easier if everybody is allowed to vote - including people that have nothing to do with openSUSE and just show up to vote for their "friend". * We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election. The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the board, they have to oversee the election. What are others doing? Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of URLs: Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/ Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-project] Proposal: Create development information sharing blog for openSUSE activities
by Andreas Jaeger 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

We - Dirk, Duncan, Zonker, Stephan and myself - had some discussions the last days and I would like to get your input on the following proposal. Thanks, Andreas Problem: Only very few developers working on openSUSE related projects share with others what they are doing and why this is interesting. Blogging is the current way to do this - but many developers understand under blogging more than sharing work stuff. Idea: To lower the barrier for developers to share information (and setting up their own blog at a free hoster), let's create a blog (proposed name see below - for this text "the site") that everybody somehow involved with openSUSE (both external community members and Novell employees - this should be available for all formal "openSUSE members" ) could get an account for sharing technical aspects of the developers work. We should create several categories or tags initially, e.g. YaST, and ask that every blog entry is part of at least one category so that e.g. all YaST blogs can be read together. It should be easy for developers to add tags/categories to their posts. We should also setup for each category some starting page with further information about the category - and pointing to the blog category. I would create a separate instance besides news.opensuse.org since news.o.o is relevant for announcement articles. Real news articles should be send to news.opensuse.org and not to the site, or submitted again on news.o.org referring to the relevant entry of the site. The goals of the site are: - it should be a fully positive and inspiring thing - make clear to not be a latest-gossip-and-whining blog - it is not a "I bought a new digital camera over the weekend" - doesn't have to be fully technical but should center around development, it could be also covering legal aspects (codecs issue, software patents). Exceptions to this will be accepted and if persons blog that much about non-technical stuff, they should move on to their own blog. The site should allow comments from logged in users for the blog posts. Note: For some systems, like wordpress, there are extensions that you can blog in one systems and it shows up at others, so those people that do blog already, could use this to basically syndicate their entry (if appropriately tagged) on the site. How does the site fit into the existing infrastructure? We have: * news.opensuse.org for news and announcements * planetsuse.org as a real aggregator where people related somehow to openSUSE, Novell and SUSE Linux can have their blogs aggregated. The site should get aggregated their as well. * the site: Discussion changes in the openSUSE and Linux universum from a technical perspective * mailing lists, forum: Overlap with the site * en.opensuse.org: A wiki with a more static content than the new site. Outlook: The idea of the site is to be fully development oriented for a project (see labs.trolltech.com). It should be trivial to push out code via a git/svn repository and have reader of the site try it out. Some examples on what influenced us: * http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/ * http://news.opensuse.org * http://www.novell.com/coolblogs All three have several people blogging on different categories as proposed above. labs.trolltech.com is additionally part of a broader development effort. Discussion: How to name the machine? * lizards.opensuse.org - current favorite * developer.opensuse.org * develop.opensuse.org * tech.opensuse.org * labs.opensuse.org - good name but causes confusion with SUSE Labs. Btw. the SUSE Labs developer should use the site as well. * ideas.opensuse.org would have been a good name, but it is already taken. * knowledge.opensuse.org * research.opensuse.org * brainfood.opensuse.org * developernet.opensuse.org * playground.opensuse.org Thanks to Zonker for inspiring me to think about it - and to Dirk, Duncan and Stephan for good discussions. -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive!
by Jordi Massaguer 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Good luck with your exams! You've doing a very good job with the News. It takes more time than one may think, right? and you've been releasing it each week! I'd love to collaborate but I do not have enough time, either. Sorry. jordi massaguer i pla http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/ ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Francis Giannaros <francis(a)opensuse.org> Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org Enviado: miércoles, 19 de marzo, 2008 12:39:00 Asunto: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive! Hi guys, The just-published weekly news issue, issue 14, will probably the last one that I can realistically do for some time, as my final year exams are getting close. It would be really great if someone -- or better, a few people -- could take on the task of keeping it going during that time. If a few people just maintain one or two sections then we'd basically be there. Dl9pf and Beineri (on IRC) have already agreed to help as well. Here is how I suggest running it, and any extra information that might be of help: * Prepare on Tuesday, ask for proof-reading and coordinate on #opensuse-project and publish early Wed * Template of Weekly News at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News/Template -- will update later today * Status Updates: ** YaST from yast-devel mailing list ** Distribution from -factory ** Packaging from -factory ** Wiki/Communication from -project list * Planet SUSE: ** Select the most relevant/interesting blog posts * Announcements ** Anything other than meetings listed on opensuse-announce or news.opensuse.org * Statistics ** Beineri handles this section * Security Updates ** Posts from opensuse-security-announce mailing list * In the Press: ** Collect Links during the whole week ** Google Alerts for 'opensuse' is very helpful here ** search digg,[0] tuxmachines, news.google.com, blogsearch.google.com for "openSUSE" * In the Community: ** Any news specifically community-related. ** Include the latest People of openSUSE article. * Past Meetings / Upcoming Meetings ** opensuse.org/Meetings will have upcoming meetings. See the opensuse.org/Meetings/Archive page for old ones * Tips and Tricks ** Ask anywhere for ideas, generally try to use ones from the wiki, as they increase collaboration and can be improved/updated easily if need-be. ** Avoid very in-depth/super-technical articles. General use-case is a normal user, though slightly advanced things (i.e. today's editing configuration files) are not so bad. Announce to: ** news.opensuse.org using the template ** opensuse-announce mailing list ** Update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News ** http://en.opensuse.org. If you don't have permission to edit the home page, ask one of the sysops[1] I will probably be around on Tuesday for a bit to help too, but I would rather hand things over now than at a time when I won't be around at all. [0] This feed can help: http://digg.com/rss_search?search=opensuse&area=all&type=both&section=news [1] http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&user… Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org ______________________________________________ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive!
by Francis Giannaros 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

Hi guys, The just-published weekly news issue, issue 14, will probably the last one that I can realistically do for some time, as my final year exams are getting close. It would be really great if someone -- or better, a few people -- could take on the task of keeping it going during that time. If a few people just maintain one or two sections then we'd basically be there. Dl9pf and Beineri (on IRC) have already agreed to help as well. Here is how I suggest running it, and any extra information that might be of help: * Prepare on Tuesday, ask for proof-reading and coordinate on #opensuse-project and publish early Wed * Template of Weekly News at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News/Template -- will update later today * Status Updates: ** YaST from yast-devel mailing list ** Distribution from -factory ** Packaging from -factory ** Wiki/Communication from -project list * Planet SUSE: ** Select the most relevant/interesting blog posts * Announcements ** Anything other than meetings listed on opensuse-announce or news.opensuse.org * Statistics ** Beineri handles this section * Security Updates ** Posts from opensuse-security-announce mailing list * In the Press: ** Collect Links during the whole week ** Google Alerts for 'opensuse' is very helpful here ** search digg,[0] tuxmachines, news.google.com, blogsearch.google.com for "openSUSE" * In the Community: ** Any news specifically community-related. ** Include the latest People of openSUSE article. * Past Meetings / Upcoming Meetings ** opensuse.org/Meetings will have upcoming meetings. See the opensuse.org/Meetings/Archive page for old ones * Tips and Tricks ** Ask anywhere for ideas, generally try to use ones from the wiki, as they increase collaboration and can be improved/updated easily if need-be. ** Avoid very in-depth/super-technical articles. General use-case is a normal user, though slightly advanced things (i.e. today's editing configuration files) are not so bad. Announce to: ** news.opensuse.org using the template ** opensuse-announce mailing list ** Update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News ** http://en.opensuse.org. If you don't have permission to edit the home page, ask one of the sysops[1] I will probably be around on Tuesday for a bit to help too, but I would rather hand things over now than at a time when I won't be around at all. [0] This feed can help: http://digg.com/rss_search?search=opensuse&area=all&type=both&section=news [1] http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&user… Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] From today's openSUSE board meeting: Who canvote for the openSUSE board?
by Vincent Untz 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Le mardi 18 mars 2008, à 09:11 +0100, Pascal Bleser a écrit : > Vincent Untz wrote: > [...] > | GNOME: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/ > | > | In GNOME, there's a Membership & Election Committee which is independent > | from the Board. It handles all applications for membership that people > | send and organizes the elections. Only members can vote. > > And who determines the composition of the membership and/or election > committee ? The board ? :) There's obviously a bootstrapping problem ;-) I don't know how this was handled for the GNOME Foundation (I wasn't involved at that time). Federico might know, though. After the bootstrap, the committee periodically sends a call for volunteers to the community to find new people who will do the work. And it then decides which volunteers join. In theory, the board can reject the new committee members, but it never happened so far. And I guess if it came to happen without a good reason (a good reason can be that the person is totally unknown), then, well, the membership could call for a vote (as in referendum) to do some bad stuff to the board :-) I don't think there's something similar to referendum in the openSUSE case, though. I can also imagine us voting for the membership & elections committee and create a nice loop ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] From today's openSUSE board meeting: Who can vote for the openSUSE board?
by Vincent Untz 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Le lundi 17 mars 2008, à 22:28 +0100, Andreas Jaeger a écrit : > * We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election. > The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the > board, they have to oversee the election. > > What are others doing? > > Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of > URLs: > Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/ > Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections GNOME: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/ In GNOME, there's a Membership & Election Committee which is independent from the Board. It handles all applications for membership that people send and organizes the elections. Only members can vote. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Service of OpenSUSE-ID Community
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Hi there, Just informed about our update here in Indonesia. We just launched 2 feature to all of Indonesian OpenSUSE community : 1. Online Support Team [0] 2. Indonesian OpenSUSE webmail feature [1] The Online Support Team provided to help OpenSUSE user if they have any difficult while using OpenSUSE. This feature added our 2 existing help desk : mailing list and forum. Typically, this online support based on instant messenger. We get listed our current member that provided free of charge online support. What we need with this feature is to increase the number of OpenSUSE user in Indonesia. OpenSUSE support is one of the most common request from our member. The second feature is webmail access. We take another domain, opensuse-id.org and setting up google apps (gmail hosted). This feature provided to increase OpenSUSE awareness. Is there any features provided by another OpenSUSE groups around the world which we have not provided yet ? We have a project to double registered member of OpenSUSE-ID by the end of 2008, so we will take any tips to get this. [0] : http://opensuse.or.id/online-support/ [1] : http://mail.opensuse-id.org -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Email : vavai(a)vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Public openSUSE Board Meeting - Monday 17/03 20:00GMT
by Francis Giannaros 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

Hi guys! This Monday we will be having a public openSUSE board meeting, primarily on the board elections[0]. We invite anyone interested in discussing this topic to attend. Location: #opensuse-project on irc.freenode.net Time: 20:00 GMT [1] Hope to see you all there and apologies for the late notice! [0] See http://zonker.opensuse.org/2008/03/10/preparing-for-board-elections/ [1] See http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=17&year=20… Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Announcing the official openSUSE Forums
by Joe Harmon 15 Mar '08

15 Mar '08

On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:29 +0100, Marcus Rueckert wrote: > > Has this already happened or is it work in progress? I tried > getting a list of groups from news://forums.opensuse.org/, but it > timed out. The announcement said spring 2008. So right now they are still separate forums. > it will be a webforum afaik. not nntp. It will have a Web Interface (vBulletin) and there is discussion going on around NNTP as well. Personally I think it should have both. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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