I am interested in participating GSoC. I think it is problematic when we
plug in a NTFS usb driver too. I have to force mount it. I just wonder if
this could be part of the SoC project. We can provide users with options
to mount usb driver which has error log.
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We had tonight on the opensuse-project IRC channel a lifely discussion
about the board election. The central question was who can vote for the
openSUSE board. We haven't come to a real conclusion yet, see below for
some of the comments that were discussed. We'd like to continue the
discussion here on the mailing list and meet again in two weeks on the
openSUSE-project IRC channel.
I took the following notes trying to summarize the key points of the
discussion:
* Who can vote?
- every individual can only vote once, so nobody should be allowed
to fake several personalities and use them for voting
Suggestion: have a public list of voters to check that nobody is
listed twice. The list will be closed at a certain time.
- basically three different proposals:
+ only members
+ anyone
+ members + non-members members vouch for (web-of-trust alike)
The idea here is to have the openSUSE community vote for the
openSUSE board. The members are the smallest part of the
community that has been appointed by the board, a member is
somebody with a continued and substantial contribution to
openSUSE. Having just members excludes some parts of the
community. On the other hand, it makes fraud easier if everybody
is allowed to vote - including people that have nothing to do with
openSUSE and just show up to vote for their "friend".
* We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election.
The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the
board, they have to oversee the election.
What are others doing?
Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of
URLs:
Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/
Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections
Andreas
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We - Dirk, Duncan, Zonker, Stephan and myself - had some discussions the
last days and I would like to get your input on the following proposal.
Thanks,
Andreas
Problem:
Only very few developers working on openSUSE related projects share
with others what they are doing and why this is interesting. Blogging
is the current way to do this - but many developers understand under
blogging more than sharing work stuff.
Idea:
To lower the barrier for developers to share information (and setting
up their own blog at a free hoster), let's create a blog (proposed
name see below - for this text "the site") that everybody somehow
involved with openSUSE (both external community members and Novell
employees - this should be available for all formal "openSUSE members"
) could get an account for sharing technical aspects of the developers
work. We should create several categories or tags initially,
e.g. YaST, and ask that every blog entry is part of at least one
category so that e.g. all YaST blogs can be read together. It should
be easy for developers to add tags/categories to their posts.
We should also setup for each category some starting page with further
information about the category - and pointing to the blog category.
I would create a separate instance besides news.opensuse.org since
news.o.o is relevant for announcement articles. Real news articles
should be send to news.opensuse.org and not to the site, or submitted
again on news.o.org referring to the relevant entry of the site.
The goals of the site are:
- it should be a fully positive and inspiring thing
- make clear to not be a latest-gossip-and-whining blog
- it is not a "I bought a new digital camera over the weekend"
- doesn't have to be fully technical but should center around
development, it could be also covering legal aspects (codecs issue,
software patents).
Exceptions to this will be accepted and if persons blog that much
about non-technical stuff, they should move on to their own blog.
The site should allow comments from logged in users for the blog
posts.
Note: For some systems, like wordpress, there are extensions that you
can blog in one systems and it shows up at others, so those people
that do blog already, could use this to basically syndicate their
entry (if appropriately tagged) on the site.
How does the site fit into the existing infrastructure?
We have:
* news.opensuse.org for news and announcements
* planetsuse.org as a real aggregator where people related somehow to
openSUSE, Novell and SUSE Linux can have their blogs aggregated.
The site should get aggregated their as well.
* the site: Discussion changes in the openSUSE and Linux universum
from a technical perspective
* mailing lists, forum: Overlap with the site
* en.opensuse.org: A wiki with a more static content than the new site.
Outlook:
The idea of the site is to be fully development oriented for a project
(see labs.trolltech.com). It should be trivial to push out code via a
git/svn repository and have reader of the site try it out.
Some examples on what influenced us:
* http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/
* http://news.opensuse.org
* http://www.novell.com/coolblogs
All three have several people blogging on different categories as
proposed above. labs.trolltech.com is additionally part of a broader
development effort.
Discussion: How to name the machine?
* lizards.opensuse.org - current favorite
* developer.opensuse.org
* develop.opensuse.org
* tech.opensuse.org
* labs.opensuse.org - good name but causes confusion with SUSE Labs.
Btw. the SUSE Labs developer should use the site as well.
* ideas.opensuse.org would have been a good name, but it is already
taken.
* knowledge.opensuse.org
* research.opensuse.org
* brainfood.opensuse.org
* developernet.opensuse.org
* playground.opensuse.org
Thanks to Zonker for inspiring me to think about it - and to Dirk,
Duncan and Stephan for good discussions.
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Good luck with your exams! You've doing a very good job with the News. It takes more time than one may think, right? and you've been releasing it each week! I'd love to collaborate but I do not have enough time, either. Sorry.
jordi massaguer i pla
http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/
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De: Francis Giannaros <francis(a)opensuse.org>
Para: opensuse-project(a)opensuse.org
Enviado: miércoles, 19 de marzo, 2008 12:39:00
Asunto: [opensuse-project] openSUSE Weekly News -- Keeping it Alive!
Hi guys,
The just-published weekly news issue, issue 14, will probably the last
one that I can realistically do for some time, as my final year exams
are getting close.
It would be really great if someone -- or better, a few people --
could take on the task of keeping it going during that time. If a few
people just maintain one or two sections then we'd basically be there.
Dl9pf and Beineri (on IRC) have already agreed to help as well. Here
is how I suggest running it, and any extra information that might be
of help:
* Prepare on Tuesday, ask for proof-reading and coordinate on
#opensuse-project and publish early Wed
* Template of Weekly News at
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News/Template -- will update
later today
* Status Updates:
** YaST from yast-devel mailing list
** Distribution from -factory
** Packaging from -factory
** Wiki/Communication from -project list
* Planet SUSE:
** Select the most relevant/interesting blog posts
* Announcements
** Anything other than meetings listed on opensuse-announce or news.opensuse.org
* Statistics
** Beineri handles this section
* Security Updates
** Posts from opensuse-security-announce mailing list
* In the Press:
** Collect Links during the whole week
** Google Alerts for 'opensuse' is very helpful here
** search digg,[0] tuxmachines, news.google.com, blogsearch.google.com
for "openSUSE"
* In the Community:
** Any news specifically community-related.
** Include the latest People of openSUSE article.
* Past Meetings / Upcoming Meetings
** opensuse.org/Meetings will have upcoming meetings. See the
opensuse.org/Meetings/Archive page for old ones
* Tips and Tricks
** Ask anywhere for ideas, generally try to use ones from the wiki, as
they increase collaboration and can be improved/updated easily if
need-be.
** Avoid very in-depth/super-technical articles. General use-case is a
normal user, though slightly advanced things (i.e. today's editing
configuration files) are not so bad.
Announce to:
** news.opensuse.org using the template
** opensuse-announce mailing list
** Update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News
** http://en.opensuse.org. If you don't have permission to edit the
home page, ask one of the sysops[1]
I will probably be around on Tuesday for a bit to help too, but I
would rather hand things over now than at a time when I won't be
around at all.
[0] This feed can help:
http://digg.com/rss_search?search=opensuse&area=all&type=both§ion=news
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&user…
Kind thoughts,
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Hi guys,
The just-published weekly news issue, issue 14, will probably the last
one that I can realistically do for some time, as my final year exams
are getting close.
It would be really great if someone -- or better, a few people --
could take on the task of keeping it going during that time. If a few
people just maintain one or two sections then we'd basically be there.
Dl9pf and Beineri (on IRC) have already agreed to help as well. Here
is how I suggest running it, and any extra information that might be
of help:
* Prepare on Tuesday, ask for proof-reading and coordinate on
#opensuse-project and publish early Wed
* Template of Weekly News at
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News/Template -- will update
later today
* Status Updates:
** YaST from yast-devel mailing list
** Distribution from -factory
** Packaging from -factory
** Wiki/Communication from -project list
* Planet SUSE:
** Select the most relevant/interesting blog posts
* Announcements
** Anything other than meetings listed on opensuse-announce or news.opensuse.org
* Statistics
** Beineri handles this section
* Security Updates
** Posts from opensuse-security-announce mailing list
* In the Press:
** Collect Links during the whole week
** Google Alerts for 'opensuse' is very helpful here
** search digg,[0] tuxmachines, news.google.com, blogsearch.google.com
for "openSUSE"
* In the Community:
** Any news specifically community-related.
** Include the latest People of openSUSE article.
* Past Meetings / Upcoming Meetings
** opensuse.org/Meetings will have upcoming meetings. See the
opensuse.org/Meetings/Archive page for old ones
* Tips and Tricks
** Ask anywhere for ideas, generally try to use ones from the wiki, as
they increase collaboration and can be improved/updated easily if
need-be.
** Avoid very in-depth/super-technical articles. General use-case is a
normal user, though slightly advanced things (i.e. today's editing
configuration files) are not so bad.
Announce to:
** news.opensuse.org using the template
** opensuse-announce mailing list
** Update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE_Weekly_News
** http://en.opensuse.org. If you don't have permission to edit the
home page, ask one of the sysops[1]
I will probably be around on Tuesday for a bit to help too, but I
would rather hand things over now than at a time when I won't be
around at all.
[0] This feed can help:
http://digg.com/rss_search?search=opensuse&area=all&type=both§ion=news
[1] http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&user…
Kind thoughts,
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Le mardi 18 mars 2008, à 09:11 +0100, Pascal Bleser a écrit :
> Vincent Untz wrote:
> [...]
> | GNOME: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/
> |
> | In GNOME, there's a Membership & Election Committee which is independent
> | from the Board. It handles all applications for membership that people
> | send and organizes the elections. Only members can vote.
>
> And who determines the composition of the membership and/or election
> committee ? The board ? :)
There's obviously a bootstrapping problem ;-) I don't know how this was
handled for the GNOME Foundation (I wasn't involved at that time).
Federico might know, though.
After the bootstrap, the committee periodically sends a call for
volunteers to the community to find new people who will do the work. And
it then decides which volunteers join. In theory, the board can reject
the new committee members, but it never happened so far. And I guess if
it came to happen without a good reason (a good reason can be that the
person is totally unknown), then, well, the membership could call for a
vote (as in referendum) to do some bad stuff to the board :-)
I don't think there's something similar to referendum in the openSUSE
case, though.
I can also imagine us voting for the membership & elections committee
and create a nice loop ;-)
Vincent
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Le lundi 17 mars 2008, à 22:28 +0100, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
> * We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election.
> The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the
> board, they have to oversee the election.
>
> What are others doing?
>
> Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of
> URLs:
> Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/
> Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections
GNOME: http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/
In GNOME, there's a Membership & Election Committee which is independent
from the Board. It handles all applications for membership that people
send and organizes the elections. Only members can vote.
Vincent
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Hi there,
Just informed about our update here in Indonesia. We just launched 2
feature to all of Indonesian OpenSUSE community :
1. Online Support Team [0]
2. Indonesian OpenSUSE webmail feature [1]
The Online Support Team provided to help OpenSUSE user if they have
any difficult while using OpenSUSE. This feature added our 2 existing
help desk : mailing list and forum.
Typically, this online support based on instant messenger. We get
listed our current member that provided free of charge online support.
What we need with this feature is to increase the number of OpenSUSE
user in Indonesia. OpenSUSE support is one of the most common request
from our member.
The second feature is webmail access. We take another domain,
opensuse-id.org and setting up google apps (gmail hosted). This
feature provided to increase OpenSUSE awareness.
Is there any features provided by another OpenSUSE groups around the
world which we have not provided yet ?
We have a project to double registered member of OpenSUSE-ID by the
end of 2008, so we will take any tips to get this.
[0] : http://opensuse.or.id/online-support/
[1] : http://mail.opensuse-id.org
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On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 13:29 +0100, Marcus Rueckert wrote:
> > Has this already happened or is it work in progress? I tried
> getting a list of groups from news://forums.opensuse.org/, but it
> timed out.
The announcement said spring 2008. So right now they are still separate
forums.
> it will be a webforum afaik. not nntp.
It will have a Web Interface (vBulletin) and there is discussion going
on around NNTP as well. Personally I think it should have both.
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