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[opensuse-project] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/03/27)
by Rodrigo Moya 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Factory testing Continual bootloader/grub fun (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=371618) Wireless problems (https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=354141) gnome-panel crashes when adding/removing workspace switcher GSOC 2008 openSUSE participates in GSOC 2008 (http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2008) A student has applied for the GNOME BS client, others asking about removable media tasks Student submissions due on Monday Multihead bug week Going to be 2 weeks, much to do here Need people with laptop & projector, a machine with 2 monitors, a TV and a laptop with TV output http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Multiscreen Starting April 7th PackageKit update The existing PackageKit packages had some bugs and issues Most are fixed in the next release, testing needed Packaging days http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/Packaging_Day April 4-5 Bug day for FF 3.0 RC currently building in BS AI: revisit FF 3.0 bug day in 2 weeks Package review contact-lookup-applet to go to G:C glade-2 will be dropped or put in G:C Policy review No real progress this week Non-gconf policy changes, mail to vuntz(a)novell.com Will use the wiki voting module to know what policies are important Pattern review http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review Compiz/XGL update Patch to enable desktop effects in control-center2 package in home:rodrigomoya yast xgl/aiglx configuration pending Patch upstreaming Scripts to display data for our packages: http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/srcpackage.py http://tmp.vuntz.net/opensuse-packages/patch.py http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Projects/PatchUpstreamingStats Will display more information, like build failures, new upstream versions, etc +-100 patches already removed from our packages -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Summer of Code draft proposal
by Nicholas Marquez 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Hello all, I'm a student at the Georgia (US) Institute of Technology seeking to participate in Google's Summer of Code for the general Linux community. Please forgive this mass distribution, as I was very unsure of where to send this message to. I'm thinking of sending my proposal to the KDE, openSUSE, and Fedora communities. I know it's kind of late to try, but I just realized that I indeed could (and should) try with an idea I've had festering for a while. I've pasted below an informal and abridged version of my proposal in the hopes that I can first get some feedback and input on it. Please, any ideas and constructive criticism are perfectly welcome and encouraged. ;) ~Nicholas (Alex) Marquez My name is Nicholas Marquez, and I am a 19-year-old 2nd year undergrad in CS at the Georgia Institute of Technology. (I am, however, a 4th year by way of credits.) [I have a good bit more biographical information to provide, but I'll do so in the formal version of this.] In terms of my project proposal... partition management is a bit of a niche topic, given that it is rarely used in an active manner, apart from the preparation of the disk in installation and the tweaking of the disk for power users. Nevertheless, one is given a few tools with which to do this... one of them being QTParted. However, this was last actively developed in 2005... 3 years ago. Worse still, GParted has been suffering from development draught for a while, only recently gaining a much needed C++ dev. To be clear, I mean no disrespect to either project. They are simply in need of updating and a development surge. I do, however, feel that the need is here for something new and more sustainable for the coming years. What I propose is that I base something new on VisParted (a recent GParted fork for partedmagic): ~Abstract it a tad more and adapt it to QT instead of GTKmm (which seem quite similar). ~I also wish to add optional extra functionality to partition operations (like block sizes and whatnot) in the form of an extension arrow in the dialog box for the partition operation. ~If time permits, I'd also like to make it such that one can use the program as a widget primitive of sorts (a component) to insert it into installation wizards or any sort of program needing such functionality. ~Perhaps make the viewing of the partitions separate from the two panels provided and abstracting the ways that one can change the partitions (so that one could use, for example, a popup-menu for that), such that one could easily put it into a Plasma applet to niftily monitor disk space. Certainly this can be done with KPart, but I'd rather first see if one could do it in pure QT first, and then add the option to use a KPart. ~If time permits, I'd like to make certain graphical primitives (tabs, dialog, etc.) for VisParted and thereby allow it to use either a QT "backend" or a GTKmm one (of course leaving it abstracted out enough to provide even an ncurses backend). This program could hopefully then become the de facto standard for Linux distribution installation, by embedding it in the native toolkit inside of the installation medium used. ~Other more minor things that could be done are the possibility to click on the "X" (denoting lack of functionality for a certain filesystem type in the capabilities table) which would seek the required external program via the system's native package manager (through pluggable scripts that individual distro's developer's can provide). This would all make the resulting program a very distinct fork of VisParted and so would require its own support base and name (though perhaps the maintainers of VisParted could be contacted and asked to use this new version, given that it can use a GTKmm backend; thereby keeping the name). I have indeed viewed the VisParted source and like what is there thus far, but see far more potential. I have never used QT before nor C++, but they appeal to me and I'd like to take this project as a chance to learn how to use them. I do not pretend that I am the "right person" for this task. I'm sure there are plenty of other developers out there with more experience in this sort of thing than I and with possibly more time to dedicate to it. I am, however, offering myself as available and very interested and willing to develop this application. I can offer that I'll work likely around 10~20 hours a week on this project, given that I plan to intern over the summer as well. (I don't wish to lie about my availability to the community.) I am perfectly comfortable working with a mentor through solely online interaction. As far as where I will be over the summer... this I am not certain of yet, but I can provide the information as soon as it becomes available. If need be, I am also fluent in Spanish and French, and so I can communicate with a developer of that native language, if it is more convenient to the community. I sincerely hope that there is interest in this idea, as GUI paritioning has been ignored and really needed a new breath of life for a few years. Thank you for your consideration, Nicholas (Alex) Marquez nmarquez3(a)gatech.edu (alias: nicholas.marquez(a)gatech.edu)

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE IRC - call for participation
by Benji Weber 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Greetings All, It was suggested I also post the content of my 'blog entry[0] on this list, so here you go. The #suse channel on the freenode IRC (Internet Relay Chat) network is one of the places users can go to get support with openSUSE. The channel has suffered a little over recent months from the loss of some regular participants. Since the opening of the openSUSE project many of the channel regulars have become involved in other areas of the openSUSE project, leaving less time for user support on IRC. While the regular participants may have decreased, the throughput of users seeking help shows no sign of abating. There is a danger that with fewer people helping in the channel, users will either not get help or be put off by the attitude of a few in the channel. There are regular complaints from a few about the state of the #suse IRC channel, often as an excuse for not participating. This does somewhat irritate me as it is one of the easiest things to fix yourself. Simply join the channel and participate, even a single person does make a big difference to the whole channel. Complaining helps nobody, and only serves to discourage those who are helping So please join us in #suse [1]. Help, be helped, and have a lot of fun!. =Reasons for being in #suse= * Improve end user support #suse is one of the places users may look for help. It is linked on http://help.opensuse.org, from the desktop, and the openSUSE IRC clients default to joining the channel. IRC, being interactive, gives the opportunity to arrive at a problem diagnosis much more quickly than possible with a mailing list. It also has the disadvantage that no-one may be available or able to answer your question. It supplements the other support fora such as mailing lists & web forums. * Improve channel atmosphere #suse, along with the mailing lists and forums, is one of the parts of the community that new users will come into contact with. Their experience here may dictate whether they continue using the distribution or not, or whether they participate in the project or not. If users do not get their problems solved they may be forced to look elsewhere. If users have a bad experience in the channel, they may be discouraged and look for another community. It is therefore critical that we provide the best possible experience for users in the channel. This is not a policy problem (we have rules and guidelines), but a people problem. The people in the channel define its atmosphere and quality. * Learn new things about openSUSE Even if you think you are a suse expert, you will likely be surprised at the things you will learn by simply watching other people helping in the channel. This will then help you to help others in the future. * Get your questions answered Nobody is an expert in all areas, in addition to helping others you can have your own questions answered as well. * Get to know other openSUSE users. IRC provides interactive chat. With IRC it is possible to socialise and live the suse motto "Have a lot of fun" much more than is possible with other media such as mailing lists. * Learn what the user painpoints are. If you are involved in the openSUSE project, being in #suse gives a special insight into the most common problems users experience. It helps make the problems that need to be addressed in the future clear. =Possible reasons for not joining #suse= * I don't like the channel atmosphere / I've heard it's unfriendly An IRC channel is simply a venue. The atmosphere of the channel is defined by those who are in it and active at any given time. Since there is rarely more than a handful of people active at any time, if you are speaking in the channel then you are pretty much defining the atmosphere. Improving the channel friendliness is simply a matter of joining and occasionally talking. If you encounter someone in the channel being antisocial or in violation of one of the channel rules [2], then contact one of the ops [/msg susehelp ops], who can then take appropriate action. * The channel is too busy. I don't have time to spend in #suse Just being in the channel does not obligate you to talk, help, or even read it. Most of those in the channel will be doing other things, occasionally glancing at the channel. If they happen to see something they can help with they will. If there are enough people doing this then it translates into quite good support coverage, and not much of a timesink. * I don't know enough to help others This is rarely true. Not all questions are of equal difficulty. At least half of user questions are frequently asked questions which can usually be resolved by supplying a bot factoid or URL. As they are frequently asked you will see others answering these questions after spending a little time in the channel, you can then immediately start helping answer these questions in the future by repeating the solution. Of the more difficult questions, there is a scale of difficulty. If you have used openSUSE for any length of time you will probably be surprised how many questions you will be able to answer. __ [0] http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/bweber/entry/opensuse_irc_call/ [1] Connect to irc://irc.opensuse.org/#suse [2] http://suse-irc.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?21 -- Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Project Meeting?!
by Christian Boltz 26 Mar '08

26 Mar '08

Hello, according to the wiki, there is a project meeting scheduled tonight 17:00 GMT - http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Project_Meeting_2008-03-26 However, I did not see any announcement. [1] Will the project meeting happen or is everybody still on easter vacation? Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Don't confuse this with the KDE (19:00 GMT) meeting which was announced yesterday -- Das Wort "WINDOWS" stammt aus einem alten Sioux-Dialekt und bedeutet: "Weißer Mann starrt durch Glasscheibe auf Sanduhr."(gefunden in d.c.t) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Fwd: Acara Edugos di Univ. Al Azhar Indonesia
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 23 Mar '08

23 Mar '08

Hello ALl, FYI, Vavai ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: digit oktavianto <digit.oktavianto(a)gmail.com> Date: 2008/3/22 Subject: Acara Edugos di Univ. Al Azhar Indonesia To: Linux User <ilmuikhlas(a)gmail.com>, acc-uai(a)yahoogroups.com, Alkautsar daenk <r_27bmw(a)yahoo.com>, info(a)limasindo.com, Masim Vavai Sugianto <vavai(a)vavai.com>, poss-uai(a)yahoogroups.com, rdc(a)echo.or.id Mohon maaf sebelumnya, jika tidak berkenan dengan postingan ini mohon diberitahukan melalui email ini. Pameran dan Seminar FOSS / Linux Edugos POSS UAI Pendayagunaan Open Source Software Universitas Al Azhar Indonesia mengadakan Pameran dan Seminar FOSS/ Linux dengan tema EduGOS (Education Goes Open Source). Acara ini bekerjasama dengan KPLI Jakarta, HMIF (Himpunan Mahasiswa Informatika) dan Al Azhar Computer Club. Di ikuti pula oleh komunitas-komunitas linux : -> Komunitas Edubuntu -> Komunitas OpenSuse -> Komunitas Echo -> KPLI Jakarta -> KPLI Depok -> KPLI Bogor -> Kelompok Studi Linux Budi Luhur ->IGOS BPPT Kamis, 27 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-11.00 WIB : Demo KDE 4 oleh : Tim OpenSUSE Indonesia Pukul 13.00-15.00 WIB : Wireless Antena Kaleng oleh : Tim Komunitas Echo Biaya : Rp. 10.000 / Materi Jumat, 28 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-11.00 WIB : Animasi 3 D dengan Blender oleh : Tim Kelompok Studi Linux Pukul 13.30-15.30 WIB : Membangun Jaringan dengan LTSP oleh : Tim KPLI Jakarta Biaya : Rp 10.000 / Materi Sabtu, 29 Maret 2008 Pukul 09.00-15.00 WIB : Seminar Pemanfaatan E Learning sebagai Alat Bantu Pengajaran bekerjasama dengan Nurul Fikri Oleh Romi Satria Wahono (ilmukomputer.com) dan Rusmanto (Pemred InfoLinux) Investasi : Rp 200.000 (H-3) Rp 150.000 (s.d H-4) Pendaftaran Langsung : Kampus Universitas Al Azhar Indonesia Kompleks Masjid Agung Al Azhar Jl. Sisingamangaraja No 1 Jakarta Selatan Contact Person : Digit (0852 16344736 / 0856 9756534) Lita (021 9988 1374 / 0813 98907 100) Regards, Digit Oktavianto -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Commercial : http://toko.vavai.biz Email : vavai(a)vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Game Server Status Alerter"
by debayan 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Thanx a lot for your comment, will do it for sure and post the details here. On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 11:18 -0500, Andrew D. wrote: > Hello, > > I'm a Linux-using gamer and I would love to see a program like that. I think > every 1 minutes might be too much... maybe every 5 minutes with a button for > the user to force a scan might be okay, or at least a configuration screen to > change how often it scans (my network admins at school tend to frown upon > excessive bandwidth usage). > > I'd say go for it and I'd love to hear how it progresses. > > ~~ Andrew D. > andrewd18(a)gmail.com > > > > On Thursday 20 March 2008 02:08:25 pm debayan wrote: > > I am one of those guys trying to spread Linux in the college. I managed > > to create a local repository > > (http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/mukti/repository/ ) which has helped, but most > > of my friends do not want to switch to Linux because they would not want > > to miss the games they play on Windows such as CounterStrike and Age of > > Empires. So i began writing this program which scans the network every 1 > > minute or so for online game servers, and gives a popup alert in the > > taskbar and gives info such as number of players online, IP address of > > the server and the map that is on the server. > > Though quite simple to implement and somewhat lame, its surprising how > > effective it was in bringing new people to Linux. > > I want to do this as a GSOC project. Want to add as many games as > > possible. Will implement multiple scans using threads. I also envisage > > adding features such as chatting on the game server. Would also like to > > add a Gtk+ frontend. Skill required is C/C++ and sockets APIs. What do > > you guys think? Is it a nice idea, or do i need to scratch my head more? > > -- Debayan Banerjee NIT Durgapur, West Bengal, India debayanin(a)gmail.com http://debayan.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Game Server Status Alerter"
by debayan 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

I am one of those guys trying to spread Linux in the college. I managed to create a local repository (http://lug.nitdgp.ac.in/mukti/repository/ ) which has helped, but most of my friends do not want to switch to Linux because they would not want to miss the games they play on Windows such as CounterStrike and Age of Empires. So i began writing this program which scans the network every 1 minute or so for online game servers, and gives a popup alert in the taskbar and gives info such as number of players online, IP address of the server and the map that is on the server. Though quite simple to implement and somewhat lame, its surprising how effective it was in bringing new people to Linux. I want to do this as a GSOC project. Want to add as many games as possible. Will implement multiple scans using threads. I also envisage adding features such as chatting on the game server. Would also like to add a Gtk+ frontend. Skill required is C/C++ and sockets APIs. What do you guys think? Is it a nice idea, or do i need to scratch my head more? -- Debayan Banerjee NIT Durgapur, West Bengal, India debayanin(a)gmail.com http://debayan.wordpress.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Planetsuse.org expired ?
by Masim "Vavai" Sugianto 21 Mar '08

21 Mar '08

Hello James, I've checked the domain of planetsuse.org today and found that it has expired. Is it true or am I missed in my DNS configuration ? The domain planetsuse.org has expired. Please contact your domain name registration service provider for further assistance. If you need help identifying your service provider, visit http://domainhelp.tucows.com. -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog/index.php Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Email : vavai(a)vavai.com /************************************************************/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] GSoC 2008 --- "Reliable unmounting of removable media"
by Kobe Young 20 Mar '08

20 Mar '08

I am interested in participating GSoC. I think it is problematic when we plug in a NTFS usb driver too. I have to force mount it. I just wonder if this could be part of the SoC project. We can provide users with options to mount usb driver which has error log. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] From today's openSUSE board meeting: Who can vote for the openSUSE board?
by Andreas Jaeger 19 Mar '08

19 Mar '08

We had tonight on the opensuse-project IRC channel a lifely discussion about the board election. The central question was who can vote for the openSUSE board. We haven't come to a real conclusion yet, see below for some of the comments that were discussed. We'd like to continue the discussion here on the mailing list and meet again in two weeks on the openSUSE-project IRC channel. I took the following notes trying to summarize the key points of the discussion: * Who can vote? - every individual can only vote once, so nobody should be allowed to fake several personalities and use them for voting Suggestion: have a public list of voters to check that nobody is listed twice. The list will be closed at a certain time. - basically three different proposals: + only members + anyone + members + non-members members vouch for (web-of-trust alike) The idea here is to have the openSUSE community vote for the openSUSE board. The members are the smallest part of the community that has been appointed by the board, a member is somebody with a continued and substantial contribution to openSUSE. Having just members excludes some parts of the community. On the other hand, it makes fraud easier if everybody is allowed to vote - including people that have nothing to do with openSUSE and just show up to vote for their "friend". * We should have an Election Committee that organizes the election. The members of the Election Committee cannot be nominated for the board, they have to oversee the election. What are others doing? Let's compare what other projects are doing, here's a first list of URLs: Debian: http://www.debian.org/vote/ Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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