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RE: [opensuse-project] Site going down at release - solution
by Carlos E. R. 08 Dec '06

08 Dec '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 2006-12-06 a las 13:06 -0500, Anthony Bryan escribió: [ You wrote to me direct, and I tried to answer direct; but comcast doesn't like my IP, so I have to answer in the list. As the subject may interest others and there is nothing private, I suppose there is no harm] [or we take it to a different list, if OT] > > I'll mention that is is not possible to compile aria2-0.9.0.tar.bz2 in > > suse 10.1, a dependency problem: it needs libxml 2.6.24, and 10.1 has > > 2.6.23. That support is necesary for the metalink part of the program. > > > > I opened a thread about this in opensuse, please answer there. I just > > want to call your attention to that; me and many others will not be > > able to use metalink this run, I'm afraid. > > Thanks for checking that out Carlos. I wonder if the config files can be > changed to depend on 2.6.23. It used to be 2.6.26, but was lowered for > Ubuntu which depends on 2.6.24. I don't know how to do that, it's over me. If you have a patch, or instructions, I can certainly try. I'm not a Linux developer; I was an MsDos one. For the few things I write for my use, I don't use configure scripts, no need, thus I don't know how they work, execpt vaguely. What I did was to try the previous aria version (aria2-0.8.1.tar.bz2) but it also has the same problem. > Or maybe a newer libxml2 could be supplied. That's a no-no for suse: they never change package versions for a distro once delivered, unless forced to. > It would be really nice if people running SuSE could use metalink to > download upgrades. It seems like binaries are available on most other > platforms, so most others will be able to use it. There is no link in the wiki page to any metalink client in rpm form: people are forced to compile their own. I have been pointed to one in the guru repository, but I don't trust it. I don't think many people will use metalink with so many dificulties... we from the mass are not using 10.2 yet. I'm running the configure for "wxDownload Fast" at this very moment. I'll see if I can use that client instead. [...] No problems there. Let's see the make... It "made" in 6 minutes, and it runs. I'll have to find something to try it on ;-) - -- Saludos Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFFdzG9tTMYHG2NR9URAj8/AJwKT3q3P7Pt7/GcDrmX0rCmQoCGFACfWi3s isp/eqK9BZOjrRmm+ibO6jk= =KMSg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[opensuse-project] Bugs Most Annoying Bugs 10.2
by Boyd Lynn Gerber 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I updated http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_10.2 with the comments from the IRC Meeting today. If you want to add to it please do. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb(a)zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFFdw7XVtBjDid73eYRAta7AJ9rJ1G98JF8JzkiC/HUfCtqa8DW/QCeN+mM plIQ8CsZdh58WzSGcacz6GE= =mscQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Unnanswered questions regarcing Novell-Microsoft agreements
by Marcus Meissner 06 Dec '06

06 Dec '06

On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 11:24:42AM -0700, Ray David Whitmer wrote: > Marcus Meissner wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 01:31:45PM +0000, Ricardo Cruz wrote: > > > >> Ray David Whitmer wrote (@ Quarta, 6 de Dezembro de 2006 15:44): > >> > >>> 1. How does one support Suse as a customer while avoiding and opposing > >>> the per-seat false patent tax collected by Novell in behalf of Microsoft? > >>> > >>> 2. Can/will Novell still use its patents to protect open projects by > >>> threatening to sue Microsoft to keep projects free as was pledged in the > >>> past. > >>> > >>> 3. Not even Microsoft and Novell can contest the fact that they did > >>> their best to circumvent the intent of the GPL. > >>> > >> What happen? That's big news. I have not been able to follow slashdot, so I > >> mostly follow what's posted here. Please post the developments. > >> > > > > The original poster is just a troll, all points have been brought up multiple times and > > refuted here and by official statements from us. > > > I am sorry you feel you have to call something a troll rather than > answering questions that were avoided in the meeting and have not been > competently addressed, that I have seen. My colleages and myself have answered questions like those several times. > Please provide specific references where each of these issues has been > addressed -- the best answer you are aware of, not SCO-style just > claiming it must be in there somewhere. > > Your own opinions are regularly called trolls in other forums where > people value software freedom and do not appreciate attacks on it that > Novell seems to be assisting. > > You seem to repudiate the claim at the end of the meeting that remaining > questions could be addressed here. 1. You allege there is a per seat tax. There is no such thing. Here you should show us proof, not the other way round. 2. http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html It is very clear on this topic. 3. http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Special_Meeting_2006-11-27/transcript 18:33 +<Nat_> 5. This deal does not violate GPLv2. 18:33 +<Nat_> Eben Moglen read our agreement and hasn't said a thing about GPLv2 violation. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't think there is any. 18:33 +<Nat_> Instead, he and Richard are using the community energy to try to get people to adopt the previously-controversial GPLv3 (which we support also) Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Updating kernel
by Christopher Bonner 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

Hi, I am currently running openSUSE 10.2 rc2 on my laptop. When the power is plugged in it is incredibly slow! I had the same problem with Fedora, but this was solved because the wrong kernel architecture was installed. i586 instead of i686. How can I install a i686 version of the kernel to see if this solves my problem on openSUSE? Many thanks. Chris. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] New versioning system?
by Dominique Leuenberger 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

>>> Reply on 05-12-2006 15:25:20 <<< > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > The Tuesday 2006-12-05 at 14:03 +0100, houghi wrote: > > > So a customer buying "HoughiSoftware 2004" now, is he being ripped of > or > > not? I will tell you what the latest version of this hypotetical > package > > is AFTER you answer yes or no. ;-) > > > That's a trick question :-P > > SuSE pops two versions per year, we don't know about your program ;-) > > At least, if I were about to buy a software labeled "2004" I would try > to > get more info before opening my purse. > That must be why nobody ever thinks at the moment when buying Microsoft Windows 2003 Server. It has such a recent numbering yea rin it's name. And what shall happen with a release just by the end of the year 2006 (like 10.2): is it already named 2007 or still 2006? And if 2007: when exactly would be the limit to name it 2007 or not? Probably by asking around this question, you get everything back to Janaury 2006 for the 2007 release. Sorry, but I don't like these 200x numbers at all! MS Started them with win95 (which, btw, was released in August), and it continued.. and guess what: for some reasons, they gave up on it with WinXP and vista... we should profit from their marketing knowledge and not start putting year numbers as version numbers. Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Hello y'all
by Jay Smith 05 Dec '06

05 Dec '06

SO I realized that I've been talking on here for the past 2 or 3 weeks but never formerly introduced myself and thanked you for letting me participate. I am Jay and I have an IT Consulting business in San Antonio, Texas. I am 100% pro-open source, I haven't used Windows in over two years and have used only Linux. I am also doing my part trying to make Linux a household name as well as a business name. I have installed my share of pure Linux systems for consumers and businesses. I am a Novell Partner (Novell has excellent business solutions unlike some other distros). SuSE and Ubuntu are the only two distros that I like. But of course, I think OpenSUSE is better because it has far more capabilities I believe. I want to help OpenSUSE grow in anyway possible. I am not much for programming but I can help in other ways. Don't worry, I am not trying to incorporate Linux or lose the open source feeling. I love Linux and the open source philosophy. I now want to promote SuSE to more people and OpenSuse.org is excellent, I've been using it and so has my family and we all love it. I want to see Linux and Open Source knock Microsoft off of the charts and become a standard but we must all work together and I am here to contribute. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Mark Shuttleworth 04 Dec '06

04 Dec '06

Novell’s decision to go to great lengths to circumvent the patent framework clearly articulated in the GPL has sent shockwaves through the community. If you are an OpenSUSE developer who is concerned about the long term consequences of this pact, you may be interested in some of the events happening next week as part of the Ubuntu Open Week: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek We are hosting a series of introductory sessions for people who want to join the Ubuntu community - in any capacity, including developers and package maintainers. If you want to find out how Ubuntu works, how to contribute or participate, or how to get specific items addressed, there will be something for you. I’ll also be on IRC on Tuesday 28th to answer any questions you may have of me specifically, such as Luis’ questions about our position on software patents at http://tieguy.org/blog/2006/11/22/and-ubuntus-patent-stand/ There are a couple of sessions that would be particularly interesting for folks familiar with OpenSUSE. The Kubuntu team is hosting some events during the week to look at KDE and Ubuntu and to discuss the roadmap of their project. There are also a few events being hosted by the Ubuntu Desktop team’s, which I think should include some discussion of the ideas that came from the recent Ubuntu Developer Summit in Mountain View. There are a couple of Packaging 101 and Package Maintenance sessions too, specifically for developers. Ubuntu is structured to empower our community to get things done, and to maximise the opportunity for collaboration between teams that share a common vision (even if it’s not 100% of their vision, such as between the Gnome, KDE and XFCE desktop teams). While we’re always open to new members, we thought it would be a good idea to identify a dedicated week where new members would be the focus for our whole project. If you have an interest in being part of a vibrant community that cares about keeping free software widely available and protecting the rights of people to get it free of charge, free to modify, free of murky encumbrances and “undisclosed balance sheet liabilities”, then please do join us. I know that posting this message to an OpenSUSE list will be controversial. I'm greatly respectful of the long tradition of excellence in the SuSE product and community and have no desire to undermine that with this post. That said, I think the position taken by Novell leadership in their contract with Microsoft is hugely disrespectful of the contributions of thousands of GPL programmers and contributors to SuSE, and I know that many are looking for a new place to get involved that is not subject to the same arbitrary executive intervention. Ubuntu is one option, as are Gentoo, Debian and other communities. Please accept this mail in that spirit. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Introduction
by scsijon 03 Dec '06

03 Dec '06

At 10:21 PM 29/11/2006, Peter Flodin wrote: >On 11/29/06, James Ruffer <admin(a)unixbox.ws> wrote: >>Thank you for allowing to join the community. >>I would love to help by offering my project management skills. >>I am currently working with a computer forensics company and >>would like to donate more time to the SUSE OS. > >Welcome James, >Time is one of the most valuable commodities to give an opensource >community. Subscribe to the mailing lists that interest you, connect >to the next openSUSE meeting, open to all, and held via IRC, read the >wiki (or even contribute), and try to figure out where you can help >the project. > >>Also I have a collocation center in NY that I would be more than >>happy to mirror SUSE as well as run some open project management >>software for all to use. > >With the final release of 10.2 approaching this is the perfect time to >setup a new mirror. Refer to >http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure for how to participate. > >Pflodo >Peter Flodin. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- just as a general query how much space is usually needed to handle a release mirror? scsijon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Introduction
by James Ruffer 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Thank you for allowing to join the community. I would love to help by offering my project management skills. I am currently working with a computer forensics company and would like to donate more time to the SUSE OS. Please feel free to contact me directly. Also I have a collocation center in NY that I would be more than happy to mirror SUSE as well as run some open project management software for all to use. -- Thank you for your time. James F. Ruffer III MSCE, CNA, CCNA, & BSDI Administrator Albany, Manhattan, Chicago, Memphis and Dallas 1.518.271.1844 Mobile --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Invitation to OpenSUSE developers
by Jay Smith 27 Nov '06

27 Nov '06

As a linux developer, I think you are aware of the GPL. Microsoft CANNOT have their way, they are entering into our territory. Also, they have issued their agreement towards individual developers which is also holding them at bay. Microsoft simply cannot sue GPL developers. They are also being forced to document their source code which is probably why they are entering this pact in the first place. I seriously doubt, with their history in regards to Microsoft, that Novell approached MS about this deal. Microsoft has to comply to OUR rules cause they are entering OUR territory. They cannot take over GPL software, there are too many strikes against them to do so even if they wanted to. They've also released their own agreement which makes it hard if not impossible for Microsoft to impose their patents. Let's face it, in regards to Linux, it's more than making a better Linux, it's about making a better IT environment. Great, we can have an awesome Linux that can only function in a Linux environment. I don't know that I'd want to be a mortgage company trying to run encompass on Wine with little support other than a mailing list and forum. If this pact works out, Linux and MS will be more interoperable than ever before. That's what we want, an IT environment where you can have Windows and/or Linux and be able to function just fine. And what makes you think you can protect any of us if "Microsoft has their way"? You're GPL too, there's more to SuSE than the SuSE code. There is also other GPL software like KDE, GNOME, etc. IF "Microsoft had their way", it's game over for all GPL developers, not just the SuSE ones because GPL extends into Ubuntu and other distros. I seriously doubt Microsoft can attempt to take over since Linux and Open Source is a community, not a corporation, the GPL stands, other MS and Novell agreements stand to keep them at bay, and Microsoft has strikes against them with the EU and people all over the globe. Let people develop with whom they want to. Don't disrespect any of us. I guarantee you, with you trying to enter the Enterprise arena, you're going to wish that you had some sort of interoperability setup. Because most proprietary solutions are in place and have been for years. It'd be really hard to replace that so it's easier to try to make it work on Linux. Let all of us developers be Mark. On Mon Nov 27 1:57 , Mark Shuttleworth sent: >Andreas Jaeger wrote: >> There's been a lot of confusion and misrepresentation - and maybe not >> the best reaction from Novell to all the concerns and fears that the >> contract raised - but I do see us on the same side: as part of the >> open source community. >> >> Mark, I'd like to invite you to discuss what possibilities we have to >> work together against the domination of Microsoft on the desktops - >> instead of fighting against each other. >> >> I would prefer to see more users switching from Windows to Linux than >> just Linux users switching distributions. >> >Agreed, and I'm very happy to look for ways in which we can improve >collaboration between Ubuntu and SuSE. We all want to see Linux >distributions get stronger, and the proprietary platform forced to >compete on a more open and healthy basis, and collaboration between >distributions improves our chances of achieving that goal. > >There is room for many Linux distributions, and SuSE has obviously >earned its place at the table through its long history of technical >excellence. My mail was in no way denigrating SuSE, it was only pointing >out the existence of the Ubuntu Open Week to those developers who happen >to be looking around now because of the Novell stance on patents and the >related Microsoft deal. And these concerned developers do exist - I've >fielded several personal emails from SuSE developers shocked at the deal >and looking to find out what Ubuntu's position on these matters is, with >a view to switching if their questions are satisfactorily answered. > >I don't in any way blame the SuSE community for the Novell deal. It's >not your fault that Novell accepted the terms of Microsoft's offer, >perhaps without thinking of the consequences. But make no mistake that >the consequences will be severe if Microsoft is allowed to maintain >their view that the deal entitles them to claim that any Linux >deployment must pay them a patent licence. Samba, the kernel, X, and >many other pieces of the Linux desktop would be severely compromised if >that pans out the way Microsoft would like. This is a serious, serious >threat. I'm working hard to make sure that anybody, anywhere in the >world can use a computer free of charge and study how it works - and >this deal is a major offensive by the other side. Bruce Parens, the >Samba Team, the Open Invention Network and others have all spoken out in >protest because they can see what a devastating effect it will have if >Microsoft carries the day on this one. > >I know many SuSE developers share the same goals as the Ubuntu project, >so collaboration should be our primary goal. And I'm happy to work with >you to figure out how we do so. Perhaps we can devote some time during >the Open Week to discussing collaboration between distros, too? You'd be >welcome to join us. Also, I would be happy to visit your next meeting, >or online forum, to talk about this further, just let me know when and >where. > >Mark >(gpg-signed to avoid further speculation on authenticity :-)). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help(a)opensuse.org

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